The Jews are trying to start WW III and guess who they'll want to fight it for them ?
rsm
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The US and UK regime change in '50s, and installing the Shah resulted in the current regime, and the hostage crisis in the '70s. The weakness was Carter in the white house; not sure what it has to do with Saigon.
Installing the Shah, and ignoring his brutality and atrocities created an enemy. The US and UK did this to Iran, and we've been dealing with the results of our regime change since the '70s. Enough is enough.
If Iran wants to continue down this path of aggression and terrorism, the US has a responsibility to annihilate the monster / pariah to world peace that we helped to create. IMO.
rsm
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I blame Carter for the weakness, and that's part of the reason Reagan was elected. I remember the failed hostage rescue attempt, the US military was in shambles after Vietnam...
70 Mach 1
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Yeah but what do we do if China and or NK decides to back Iran.
Or a stray drone hits one of our bases or navy ships. Whos going to believe it was an accident
This can get ugly fast.
Or a stray drone hits one of our bases or navy ships. Whos going to believe it was an accident
This can get ugly fast.
84superchamp
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That sad vision, after years of hard fighting and loss of so many lives; the last chopper on the embassy roof making the last evacuation from Vietnam with the caption "We Give Up".
Yes, that's when our country lost its oomph and we can see what the world became after.
84superchamp
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The biggest mistake and miscalculation of vietnam IMO was failing to realize the south Vietnamese govt and military could never win their own fight. Corrupt leadership from top to bottom that couldn't agree on the color of shit.
My own observation, watching drastically outnumbered ARVN being slaughtered in the invasion of Loas because a general in Saigon refused to commit his troops to the battle. The war was filled with those types of mistakes and disagreements. Sad.
My own observation, watching drastically outnumbered ARVN being slaughtered in the invasion of Loas because a general in Saigon refused to commit his troops to the battle. The war was filled with those types of mistakes and disagreements. Sad.
Laputan Machine
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i dont care
Floyd Eye
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Do you think China is going to risk their country and economy to help Iran ? And NK ain’t gonna do shit. For one thing China won’t let ‘em, and for another they probably can’t afford it.
As far as the US, I have a feeling if any of our assets are hit Iran is gonna pay “ Bigly”.
70 Mach 1
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The underlying alliance may be over the oil. Iran is a major exporter to China
We need to start pumping 1000% so we can be fully independent of these ayatollas and white robe rag heads
Laputan Machine
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I think a big part of what's been going on over the past 30 years with us there is controlling oil in order to contain China. I think if we ever do 'regime change' in Iran, China will attack Taiwan, then who knows what happens after that.
The~Kid
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I mean this is a pretty good point but there probably isnt any political will by other countries aside from Israel or America...... Maybe Britain but I dont see other Europeans or other countries willing to join in.
I mean Iran is probably 3-5 years out of getting a nuke now if you think about it or if not sooner..... So I mean we could bomb the hell out of them but I doubt at this point it would affect anything in their timeline to aquire a nuke unless its a full on ground assault.....
And with more SAMs on the surface of Iran than every other countries SAMs put together...... and they can probably be retrofitted and used for offense aside from defense......
Thinking about it...... while the US and Israel have every right to bomb..... it doesn't seem like it will have a desrirable outcome but I may be wrong. Im not apologizing for Iran or making excuses for them of course but depending on the probable results it may not be the best idea.
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The~Kid
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I mean there needs to be a tougher stance on Iran without a doubt but at this point too little to late....... or at least IMO there really isnt a straight forward military solution of this coming out pretty for either side........
They pretty much already are at the verge of getting a nuke..... and at that point hitting nails on the head isnt going to achieve any desrirable result for Israel, America or other countries in the region like Saudi Arabia or the UAE and others......
Iran is an existential threat in either case but at this point a full on assault or war on Iran wont do anything but make an already bad situation worse IMO.
Bombing them isnt the solution at this point for the long term, but in the short term it does show Israel, America and others like the Saudis arent going to put up with their threats. Im not saying Israel or America arent justified in doing so but IMO when your talking about Nukes and the Middle East....... there has to be other long term strategies to deal with and contain Iran at this point other than simply bombing the hell out of them IMO.
They pretty much already are at the verge of getting a nuke..... and at that point hitting nails on the head isnt going to achieve any desrirable result for Israel, America or other countries in the region like Saudi Arabia or the UAE and others......
Iran is an existential threat in either case but at this point a full on assault or war on Iran wont do anything but make an already bad situation worse IMO.
Bombing them isnt the solution at this point for the long term, but in the short term it does show Israel, America and others like the Saudis arent going to put up with their threats. Im not saying Israel or America arent justified in doing so but IMO when your talking about Nukes and the Middle East....... there has to be other long term strategies to deal with and contain Iran at this point other than simply bombing the hell out of them IMO.
Wetordry
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There are problems more pressing in my own time zone. Ive been hearing about that shit since the 60s. Do it already and stop using it to soak up outside money.
84superchamp
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I'd actually like to see a bit of US response, the Iranian-backed Hutis have been making life miserable for ships in the gulf. If Iran is decimated, the hutis will be finished too.
84superchamp
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We're a loong way from there but every bit of news about Iranian nuclear "research" makes me wonder how long before they can transport one onto US soil.
Yes, troublesome news fron that area since Israel was established and small skirmishes were regular....but this is the first time it's been almost every country in the area: Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and Iran. It might get big....the '67 war comes to mind.
JTyson
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As usual your tiny brain is not up to the task of peeling a banana, let alone geo political wartime scenarios. You should stick to finally learning how to tune a guitar before you leave this earth …
Killcrop
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The US created this situation with the help of the Brits. But we should have taken care of this problem in 1980's. It would have been so easy back then.
I actually think the Iranian people are good. They don't want to live under the Islamic Republic. Those are the true nut jobs. They need to step up and take back their country. Maybe this will be the catalyst.
I actually think the Iranian people are good. They don't want to live under the Islamic Republic. Those are the true nut jobs. They need to step up and take back their country. Maybe this will be the catalyst.
The~Kid
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I mean yeah......
But this isnt an Episode of 24 and there aint no Jack Bauer......... not that a nuclear Iran doesnt pose a problem.....
But even then jeez what are we going to do or is Israel....... we can keep bombing them or even have a full on ground assault and it wont be pretty........ we can nuke them now but that aint going to happen.....
The only real solution at this point is simply to prepare for it and isolate Iran even more........ Israel or America or anyone aint invading Iran anytime soon.......
Aside from an all out ground and/or nuking Iran there isnt other options and at this point we are a minute till midnight.......
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