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Robostyle said:
What if the tariffs end up evening out the defecit? Or at least reducing it somewhat? And all of the USAID waste spending?
We haven't seen the full effects of that yet, it's too soon.
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Aid Australia gets = 0 - which is fine - we give aid like the US does to other countries.
Tariffs charged by Australia on the US = 0 - under the AUSFTA (Free Trade Agreement)
US has a trade surplus with us - so you are treating us "very badly" to use Trump's own words against him

Trump is a POS bully and a traitor to allied nations.
 
SatanicPanic said:
No doubt it was a massive win overall and Republicans swept up. I'm just drilling down on the presidential election itself and what the popular vote tells us about it.



I have a pretty good idea. Feel free to correct my errors.
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Sorry for being harsh, but hearing about the popular vote just goes up my ass.
It's useless information.
I see now that you were wanting to look at the difference between the pop/EC.
Which is not particularly interesting to me, but i bet there might some info there.
I misunderstood.
 
VonBonfire said:
Pure democracy is mob rule. The whole point of electoral votes is that majority, people living in the city, don't get to have all the say. If you believe in catchphrases like equality then it would seem fair that we have a balance between those in the city and those in the country when it comes to politics. Maybe you don't feel that way but I personally think it's a good thing.
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I agree with you in spirit. But, I also recognize that the electoral college vote has disproportionately benefited Republicans in Presidential elections in the last 25 years. If we are talking fair, then I think the EC vote would not favor one party over the other. Not because I'm a secret Dem. I kinda hate both parties.

Maybe popular vote is a terrible idea. Maybe we shouldn't have just two viable parties only. Maybe America would be better off with ranked choice voting. I dunno. I'm not smart enough to have all the answers.
 
Robostyle said:
Sorry for being harsh, but hearing about the popular vote just goes up my ass.
It's useless information.
I see now that you were wanting to look at the difference between the pop/EC.
Which is not particularly interesting to me, but i bet there might some info there.
I misunderstood.
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That's cool. It's very easy for us to misinterpret each other. I do it all the time.
 
SatanicPanic said:
I agree with you in spirit. But, I also recognize that the electoral college vote has disproportionately benefited Republicans in Presidential elections in the last 25 years. If we are talking fair, then I think the EC vote would not favor one party over the other. Not because I'm a secret Dem. I kinda hate both parties.

Maybe popular vote is a terrible idea. Maybe we shouldn't have just two viable parties only. Maybe America would be better off with ranked choice voting. I dunno. I'm not smart enough to have all the answers.
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I respect your opinion. I could not disagree more about the EC and rank choice.
If you want new york city and los angeles to pick the president every 4 years for the rest of your life, get rid of the EC.
Ranked? How about yes or no. Now we're voting "maybe"? That sounds insane to me.
Again no disrespect.
 
JDs Couch said:
I'm sorry, (I love you) but you are incorrect. 49.8% is less than a majority. Harris got 48.5%. Very close election.
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He got more votes than she did. You lost.
You can try to act like it’s not a majority, but him getting more votes than she did is a majority. I know that turns your nuts blue but you’ll have to learn to live with it. I would suggest you take up something like knitting or bird watching to pass the time, your constant unending blathering is indicative of a mental issue. Not that it would be unusual, I’m sure you’ve heard the stats on lefties and mental illness. Your starting to become the poster boy for butthurt little girl liberals who want to lash out all over the country because the orange menace handed you your ass and there’s not a single thing you can do to ok stop the next 3.5 years..
I hope you invested in the helmet, I sent you a link to it. I think it would be perfect for you.
Don’t worry what people will say, be strong and confident in your illness.

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JTyson said:
He got more votes than she did. You lost.
You can try to act like it’s not a majority, but him getting more votes than she did is a majority. I know that turns your nuts blue but you’ll have to learn to live with it. I would suggest you take up something like knitting or bird watching to pass the time, your constant unending blathering is indicative of a mental issue. Not that it would be unusual, I’m sure you’ve heard the stats on lefties and mental illness. Your starting to become the poster boy for butthurt little girl liberals who want to lash out all over the country because the orange menace handed you your ass and there’s not a single thing you can do to ok stop the next 3.5 years..
I hope you invested in the helmet, I sent you a link to it. I think it would be perfect for you.
Don’t worry what people will say, be strong and confident in your illness.

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You should literally look up the definition of a majority. Love you. Take care.
 
Robostyle said:
I respect your opinion. I could not disagree more about the EC and rank choice.
If you want new york city and los angeles to pick the president every 4 years for the rest of your life, get rid of the EC.
Ranked? How about yes or no. Now we're voting "maybe"? That sounds insane to me.
Again no disrespect.
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None taken at all and I appreciate you saying that. Just talking about this stuff abstractly is constructive even if we disagree. I miss when politics was boring.
 
JDs Couch said:
You do.
CECOT:
Is it a concentration camp?
If you use the strict historical definition:
A concentration camp is a place where people are detained without due process, usually for political or ethnic reasons, often with inhumane treatment.

CECOT meets several of these criteria: mass detention without trial, harsh conditions, and targeting of a broadly defined group (immigrants).
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The big difference is countries doing it to their own citizens with no chance of escape. CECOT gives them the option to go back to the country they came from (i.e. NOT citizens) rather than be arrested. I see a difference there, a big difference.
 
Floyd Eye said:
The only problem with fly fishing is that most "Fly fisherman" are fucking cunts.
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It's cause it attracts well to do renaissance men wannabe sportstmen. Kinda like golf. Who doesn't want to be fly fishing on a beautiful creek, stream, or river someplace and eating delicious fish afterwards? I don't think I could get into the vest and stupid hat.though. We used to have a neighbor who'd be brushing his teeth and fiddling with all his fishing gadgets wearing a tan super long billed cap wasting time on his fancy boat more than he spent fishing. He was a nce guy though, and it was amusing but he was kind of a wannabe sportsmen. We called him majestic cause he screwed up and shot a doe with only a buck tag and kept saying it was "so majestic" trying to explain his mistake, lol
 
VonBonfire said:
It's cause it attracts well to do renaissance men wannabe sportstmen. Kinda like golf. Who doesn't want to be fly fishing on a beautiful creek, stream, or river someplace and eating delicious fish afterwards? I don't think I could get into the vest and stupid hat.though. We used to have a neighbor who'd be brushing his teeth and fiddling with all his fishing gadgets wearing a tan super long billed cap wasting time on his fancy boat more than he spent fishing. He was a nce guy though, and it was amusing but he was kind of a wannabe sportsmen. We called him majestic cause he screwed up and shot a doe with only a buck tag and kept saying it was "so majestic" trying to explain his mistake, lol
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Well the vest is handy if you’re wading. It would suck to have to go back to the bank if you lost a fly or wanted to change it. I never got into hats of any kind though. Or waders. Shorts and tennis shoes works for me.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Well the vest is handy if you’re wading. It would suck to have to go back to the bank if you lost a fly or wanted to change it. I never got into hats of any kind though. Or waders. Shorts and tennis shoes works for me.
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I'm just not a vest guy for whatever reason. I just want my ball cap and some wayfarers with the fishing creel. Can always throw a box of flies in there next to a few cold beers, lol.
 
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