CDawg
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Doesn't look he got shot from the rooftop at all. I like how the guy gets into the crackbang audio program to explain it from microphones how the shooter is unlikely to be from the roof.
Doesn't look he got shot from the rooftop at all. I like how the guy gets into the crackbang audio program to explain it from microphones how the shooter is unlikely to be from the roof.
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harddriver
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30.06 drops deer at 200 yards video from 4 years ago, look at the damage the round does at 200 yards.
FourT6and2
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MLK Jr. was assassinated by a 30.06. Bullet entered neck/jaw, severed spine, and lodged in body just under the skin. It's not like it isn't possible.
CDawg
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I agree it's possible but it's not probable from everything I read or watch. I'm not gun savvy so I can't say much in that regard but I'm a firm believer in physics.
There's so many issues with the case it deserves scrutiny. I bet the internet solves it before the government.
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Robostyle
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Seen a video slowed down and it does look like the bullet came from behind, and the spot in the front was an exit wound.
Not sure how real the video is but it looked pretty real.
And makes a lot more sense ballistically.
Not sure how real the video is but it looked pretty real.
And makes a lot more sense ballistically.
scottosan
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Killing paper and shooting at a human knowing that you’re about to take a life are not the same. You’re not factoring that in. The adrenaline effect of that realization changes everything. Talk to a combat vet.
FourT6and2
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If neck wound was bullet exit, bullet would have hit the ground between Kirk and the crowd. And that would have kicked up tons of debris and everybody would have seen it.
FourT6and2
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I have no doubt that nerves play a role. But I don't think that means Charlie Kirk's assassination was carried out by a "pro". Any random hunter could have done it. Anybody with a few range trips could have done it... nerves notwithstanding. I think if someone is mentally crazy enough to plan a murder like this and carry it out, they probably are detached and dissociated enough to be fairly calm in the moment. Case in point: look at the video of this kid's exfil. How calmly and nonchalantly he gets down from the roof and across the lawn and across the street. Look at the video of him from the first court appearance. Cool as a cucumber.
The point of my OP wasn't to brag about how awesome I am. It was simply to show that hitting a 0.25" target at 140-200 yards isn't difficult, let alone a head, neck, or torso.
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NoHassle
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I can agree with you mostly but what else needs to be considered is that whoever is shooting knows that after the shot the entire world will be after them and their life will never be the same again. Even crazies have some semblance of consequences before shooting a high profile figure.
We have opinions and collectively somewhere in there will be the reality of truth.
FourT6and2
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Sure. But that didn't stop any of the other assassinations, school shootings, or premeditated murders throughout human history. These people are broken. If consequences mattered to people like this, they wouldn't do what they do.
Findthetone1
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True, but most combat vets are just people serving their country and doing what they feel is the right thing. This shooter is very likely a true sociopath.
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Robostyle
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I'm not a ballistics expert, so i'll take your word for it. Frangible round maybe not?
FourT6and2
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Go to an outdoor shooting range and put a round into the dirt. See what happens. Seriously... go spend the 1-2 hours on a random Saturday to hit up a shooting range and try it. Maybe in a freshly watered lawn with nice grass, a bullet would go in without any debris kicking up. But I mean look at the distance between where Charlie was sitting and where the crowd was. Where do you think that bullet would have gone as it potentially exited his neck?
Looking at it more closely, IF the bullet would have exited his neck (instead of entered), it would have gone into the table.
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harddriver
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harddriver
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Seems to be alot of magic bullets since 1963....................
FourT6and2
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I watched that. Rogan says some things that make sense and lot of things that don't. All of them have already been discussed here. But you keep ignoring them.
It looks like a "sporterized" Mouser to me. Nothing odd about it, except for the absolutely hilarious way the scope is mounted.
As far as disassembly goes, it's two or three bolts to attach the barreled action to the stock. Takes all of 60 seconds.
This must be an old interview with Rogan because the shooter CLEARLY did NOT disassemble the rifle while getting off the roof. He was clearly carrying it in his hand, with the black towel. It's literally clear as day on video. He didn't put it in a backpack.
As far as Rogan's question about, "How did he get on the roof"... the roof is PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE. There is literally an open-air staircase leading from the sidewalk to a rooftop walkway that connects the buildings. The shooter is on camera walking through neighborhoods and across the campus. Here is a video where someone walks the same route and you can easily see the staircase—which was already posted before lol.
At 15:36 you see the lobby/vestibule the shooter waited in before going up to the roof.
At 17:15 you see the staircase he used to access the roof.
When he says, "He found another way up there..." He's referring to the guy recording this POV video, not the shooter.
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harddriver
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I fully understand your points.
By all accounts the shooter did not go to school there and drove 3-4 hours to get there according to the FBI timeline. That would infer that he had done some reconnaissance prior to event to know that particular roof had a clear line of sight and easy access and he would have had to know exactly where that tent was going to be placed. Since he didn't go to school there how did he know all this, unless someone is familiar with the large campus layout and access this would have been quite impossible if he just showed up the day of the shooting to take Kirk out, there appears to be quite a lot of preplanning and exacting information.
Why don't the American people know hardly any details about Trump's shooter in Pennsylvania and why did they cremate the body so quickly? I guess they count on people's short attention spans these days.
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FourT6and2
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Yep, that's exactly what happened. He visited the school and planned it out. I need to do some searching again, but I remember reading that people saw someone up on that roof in the days/weeks leading up to the shooting and had reported it to law enforcement. But nothing came of it.
I have no idea.
Floyd Eye
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And dude, you don't need to be broken even. Misanthropic maybe. I mean if someone has it coming I could smoke them without even an inkling of nerve or adrenaline overload. Promise.
scottosan
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That’s not point. You can train as much as you want. When the time comes to pull the trigger with a human life at the end of the barrel, your adrenaline will spike as well as your heart rate. The difficulty of that should increases significantly