200-Yard Shot

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CDawg said:
So Charlie Kirk gets shot and they take him to the hospital in a SUV? No ambulance? Where's all the blood?
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Why do you think they should have waited around for an ambulance to show up first?

CDawg said:
The judge for the case has been on the job FIFTY TWO DAYS according to people. So much experience!

Started the job in May 2025!
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According to that link, he's had plenty of experience. And it's not like the court can choose the judge... the process is random. But ok, in your professional opinion, which one of the judges listed there would you prefer to see handle this case and why?
 
FourT6and2 said:
Why do you think they should have waited around for an ambulance to show up first?



According to that link, he's had plenty of experience. And it's not like the court can choose the judge... the process is random. But ok, in your professional opinion, which one of the judges listed there would you prefer to see handle this case and why?
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Seems strange a bunch of random guys just grab Charlie and throw him in a SUV. It's common knowledge not to move people with back or neck injuries and wait for emergency services.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/neck-pain/basics/when-to-see-doctor/sym-20050882
https://www.emergencyphysicians.org/article/know-when-to-go/neck-or-back-injury
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=necpn

A high profile case is done by a judge who started the job in May 2025 and has about fifty days of work experience. I can't think of a job where I'd want someone who has fifty days experience. I don't know who I'd pick. Just notice a lot of peculiar things surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk and I'm all in for conspiracy theories.
 
311boogieman said:
That's exactly what my instructor taught me.

Coincidently - just saw this on FB :D
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I "have to" strongly disagree with some of those figures.

Ignoring the obvious fact that #1 depends on your lung capacity and fitness level (I held my breath for 5 minutes during peak fitness in my swimming days when I had a pulse rate of 26), points 2, 3 & 4 are BS.

3 hours without shelter? Not even in the most-inhospitable places in the world is this true as long as you're clothed. Where the climate is "perfect" (tropical island for example), you could in-theory survive "indefinitely" sans shelter.

3 days without water? Yeah na. We often hear about peeps who've been rescued from under rubble or having been stuck in drainpipes and whatnot after a week. I wouldn't bet on anyone lasting much longer than that 'though.

3 weeks without food? Laughable. If this were the case any decent fasting would be "bant". A month is common. 3 months isn't unheard-of. I doubt that even 6 months would kill you. You'd be skin-and-bones, but you'd be alive.

Just sayin'. Whoever wrote that allowed his or her fixation on making it "cute" by matching up all those 3s to get in the way of cold, hard facts.

IMHO. :thumbsup:
 
CDawg said:
Seems strange a bunch of random guys just grab Charlie and throw him in a SUV. It's common knowledge not to move people with back or neck injuries and wait for emergency services.
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Doesn't seem strange to me.

CDawg said:
A high profile case is done by a judge who started the job in May 2025 and has about fifty days of work experience. I can't think of a job where I'd want someone who has fifty days experience. I don't know who I'd pick. Just notice a lot of peculiar things surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk and I'm all in for conspiracy theories.
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You mean, "50 days of work experience with this specific court." It's not like he's fresh out of law school. And the process for choosing a judge is completely random. That's just how it goes.
 
FourT6and2 said:
Doesn't seem strange to me.


You mean, "50 days of work experience with this specific court." It's not like he's fresh out of law school. And the process for choosing a judge is completely random. That's just how it goes.
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Anytime there's a severe neck injury most people would wait for emergency services. Car crash, work accident, etc. Now heat of the moment with an active shooter I can see how training gets ignored but it's still one of many things that are out of the ordinary.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonygraf

In his entire legal career since he started in 2009 there's a period of 7 years where he says he prosecuted homicides. I'd love to see how successful he was in prosecuting homicides and how many homicides he prosecuted.
 
CDawg said:
Anytime there's a severe neck injury most people would wait for emergency services. Car crash, work accident, etc. Now heat of the moment with an active shooter I can see how training gets ignored but it's still one of many things that are out of the ordinary.
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The dude was bleeding out from a gunshot wound, not from falling off a ladder and breaking his neck. It's utterly ridiculous to criticize his security team for rushing him to the hospital instead of just hanging around and waiting for an EMT to show up 10 minutes later.
 
CDawg said:
Anytime there's a severe neck injury most people would wait for emergency services. Car crash, work accident, etc. Now heat of the moment with an active shooter I can see how training gets ignored but it's still one of many things that are out of the ordinary.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonygraf

In his entire legal career since he started in 2009 there's a period of 7 years where he says he prosecuted homicides. I'd love to see how successful he was in prosecuting homicides and how many homicides he prosecuted.
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As an RN, if someone has a wound where a major artery is hit, time is of the essence and getting the victim to a vascular surgeon asap is the only way they 'might' survive. The truth is, you have about 90 seconds (Abdominal Aorta) to maybe 3-4 minutes (with other vessels) to get to that hospital.
Transporting them while applying pressure is the only chance he would've had. The ambulance isn't going to show up and be able to to anything different other than start him on fluid IV drip....which wouldn't keep up with the blood loss.....They also wouldn't have any blood products to use nor would they without typing.
His best chance of survival was to get going to a hospital at high speed. Not to wait for EMS.
 
CDawg said:
Seems strange a bunch of random guys just grab Charlie and throw him in a SUV. It's common knowledge not to move people with back or neck injuries and wait for emergency services.
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It wasn't random guys. It was several of Charlie's friends and staff. There's a first hand account from one of the people that brought Charlie to the hospital. Tim Pool played it on one of his podcasts the other day. I'll post if i can find the right clip.
 
FourT6and2 said:
The dude was bleeding out from a gunshot wound, not from falling off a ladder and breaking his neck. It's utterly ridiculous to criticize his security team for rushing him to the hospital instead of just hanging around and waiting for an EMT to show up 10 minutes later.
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You don't move people with back or neck injuries because you risk further damage. That's common practice and procedure everywhere. During gun fire I can see why an exception might have been made but I wonder what their official protocol was and if they abided by it.

It's just one of many details that seem odd to me. If there were two or three things off I'd let it slide but when there's dozens of things that seem strange I don't think it's a coincidence.
 
CDawg said:
It's common knowledge not to move people with back or neck injuries and wait for emergency services.
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You've clearly not been around GSW victims. If the victim is still breathing and with a pulse, you transport toot-sweet. If no ambulance is immediately available, you do what you need to.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
It wasn't random guys. It was several of Charlie's friends and staff. There's a first hand account from one of the people that brought Charlie to the hospital. Tim Pool played it on one of his podcasts the other day. I'll post if i can find the right clip.
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Obviously they're not random but they might as well have been. I don't think Charlie Kirk had many true friends in his life judging from the reaction to his death.
 
Findthetone1 said:
You've clearly not been around GSW victims. If the victim is still breathing and with a pulse, you transport toot-sweet. If no ambulance is immediately available, you do what you need to.
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I cannot find any medical organization that says you should be moving people around who have been shot in the neck or had a severe neck injury. They all say the same thing. No where does it say if you're shot in the neck do you get a bunch of buddies to run you half a mile and toss you into a SUV.

I understand why things can happen but it goes against common practices and procedures.
 
CDawg said:
Seems strange a bunch of random guys just grab Charlie and throw him in a SUV. It's common knowledge not to move people with back or neck injuries and wait for emergency services.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/neck-pain/basics/when-to-see-doctor/sym-20050882
https://www.emergencyphysicians.org/article/know-when-to-go/neck-or-back-injury
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=necpn

A high profile case is done by a judge who started the job in May 2025 and has about fifty days of work experience. I can't think of a job where I'd want someone who has fifty days experience. I don't know who I'd pick. Just notice a lot of peculiar things surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk and I'm all in for conspiracy theories.
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I think not moving the injured applies more to potential spinal cord injuries than a breech of a main artery in the neck. You only have a few minutes to stabilize an individual who is bleeding out before you are fighting a loosing battle. They had no choice but to transport in whatever was closest to them.
 
CDawg said:
I cannot find any medical organization that says you should be moving people around who have been shot in the neck or had a severe neck injury. They all say the same thing. No where does it say if you're shot in the neck do you get a bunch of buddies to run you half a mile and toss you into a SUV.

I understand why things can happen but it goes against common practices and procedures.
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Maybe focus on the GSW part of the scenario. If somebody is bleeding out, sitting there and waiting is not what you do. You can, depending on the situation and possible polices/procedures, but these guys did the right thing. Quit reading into it to try and turn it into something it's not.
 
Findthetone1 said:
Maybe focus on the GSW part of the scenario. If somebody is bleeding out, sitting there and waiting is not what you do. You can, depending on the situation and possible polices/procedures, but these guys did the right thing. Quit reading into it to try and turn it into something it's not.
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I'd rather avoid a gun shot wound than treat a gun shot wound. Charlie Kirk took a lot of money from people to do a job and he didn't do what he was paid to do. Not that hard to look at financial transactions, read texts or hear from witnesses and get some ideas as to what happened.

How many people have shot you and what did you do to deserve it?

Charlie Kirk was all about debate, free speech and truth so let's have it.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
@CDawg I get that not everything makes perfect sense in this situation, but you seem to be hearing hoofbeats and thinking zebra.
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Zebras have hoofs don't they?

There's dozens of oddities involving the murder of Charlie Kirk. I don't trust any government agency. I can put 2 + 2 together with some critical thinking. I'm speculating just like everyone else and have no real proof.
 
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