Post the monent Face Really/Acne Freckley decided he didn't need to pracite any more.

[Kapo_Polenton]

One of the grooviest songs KISS did and just happens to have a face melter solo by Ace.



Some other Ace songs I really dig



And this total banger..

Thing is, how do we know what Ace REALLY played on. Seems to me they were able to get session guys to sound like a "better" Ace and cut solos when he was too ripped or hungover to do so. I thought the Elder was one such album where they used studio guys to fill in gaps. Remember, KISS was always a brand, a production, not really a band after the early years. That said, that solo does sound like the rudimentary simple shit Ace would do lol. Some of his solos really worked, this one is meh and showed his limitations as a player.

 

[Speeddemon]

That said, that solo does sound like the rudimentary simple shit Ace would do lol. Some of his solos really worked, this one is meh and showed his limitations as a player.

Agreed. It reminds me of early Venom in a sense, that they were trying to play something slightly above their level, and therefore sounding rough and sloppy because of it. I mean, IMO, Ace's best lead work are on songs like Deuce, Firehouse, Black Diamond and Shock Me. There, he works within his limitations, but the phrasing and idiosyncrasies are working well and they are solos that are memorable throughout.

 

[skoora]

Thing is, how do we know what Ace REALLY played on. Seems to me they were able to get session guys to sound like a "better" Ace and cut solos when he was too ripped or hungover to do so. I thought the Elder was one such album where they used studio guys to fill in gaps. Remember, KISS was always a brand, a production, not really a band after the early years. That said, that solo does sound like the rudimentary simple shit Ace would do lol. Some of his solos really worked, this one is meh and showed his limitations as a player.

I think it’s a lot more likely Ace played a solo when he was doing the lead vocal. Rudimentary or not I love the solo on this song. It has a fire to it that most technically proficient players will never be able to pull off because they don’t have that fire inside and they’re slaves to their practice regimen and auto pilot patterns.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

We’re not judging music on technical ability again are we?

Took me long time to appreciate KISS having only heard radio songs. Lot of older friends and influences site them so I delved in and found some cool stuff I now love. Definitely not all. But I’m always just happy if I can get a few good songs from a band.

 

[WizardAmpIphoneClip]

Call me crazy but you could probably substitute any Angus Young, Ace or Tony Iommi solo in any Acdc, Kiss or Sabbath song and it'd fit

 

[SgtThump]

Call me crazy but you could probably substitute any Angus Young, Ace or Tony Iommi solo in any Acdc, Kiss or Sabbath song and it'd fit

You’re not crazy. That’s the pentatonic scale, as I’m sure you know. That pays the bills. Lol

 

[Speeddemon]

We’re not judging music on technical ability again are we?

If this was in reference to my previous post, please read it again carefully. I'm making a case for Ace.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

We’re not judging music on technical ability again are we?

Took me long time to appreciate KISS having only heard radio songs. Lot of older friends and influences site them so I delved in and found some cool stuff I now love. Definitely not all. But I’m always just happy if I can get a few good songs from a band.

Not at all.. I think a lot of KISS's early stuff is pretty banging. Some great rock tunes there. Deuce, Cold Gin, Love Gun, Black Diamond etc.. Ace has some great solos on those. Has that sloppy right picking hand but dug in for those leads. I agree he played with fire most of the time.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Call me crazy but you could probably substitute any Angus Young, Ace or Tony Iommi solo in any Acdc, Kiss or Sabbath song and it'd fit

With all due respect to Ace, Angus has always been on another level. You want to hear a guy who writes singable leads..that's the guy. Fantastic player. Iommi is my least favourite lead player. Total riff monster and incredible song writer but his leads were always anti climactic to me.

 

[skoora]

With all do respect to Ace, Angus has always been on another level. You want to hear a guy who writes singable leads..that's the guy. Fantastic player. Iommi is my least favourite lead player. Total riff monster and incredible song writer but his leads were always anti climactic to me.

Agree about Angus, probably my favorite lead player of all time. I don’t know if he pioneered it but I love the way Iommi would often layer two different leads on the record as counterpoints to each other.

 

[Speeddemon]

Iommi is my least favourite lead player. Total riff monster and incredible song writer but his leads were always anti climactic to me.

Agreed!
My band played a few Sabbath songs for a while and I had to do copy/tribute the leads in Neon Knights and Mob Rules. Felt like directionless noodling to me, opposed to a well thought-out, nicely phrased solo.

 

[memberzonly]

Dude created simple, accessible, melodic solo parts in songs. Pop music.

He won. We won for it.

GTF over yourselves.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

If this was in reference to my previous post, please read it again carefully. I'm making a case for Ace.

Wasn’t in reference to you. Saw some other posts as I was reading. Don’t ask me to remember. I said I like KISS, so you know I’m not going to be that smart.