2 Orange cabs sounding very different

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I have this curious situation where we have two orange PPC412s with v30s in our rehearsal space. One is mine, the other belongs to the other guy in my band.
I've been tweaking my tone for like months up to a point where i just tried his cab and it's very different. So much that it sound like a different cab really.

In his case, it has a lot lot bigger low end rumble, balanced smooth mids and treble, nothing that would be sharp or piercing. When you hit a single note it has a nice smooth tone, nothing that would quack or fizzle or be hard hitting/cutting.

In my case there's this weird clack or metallic pluck each time i hit the strings even on drop B. It's like this sharp pick attack or glass under each note. My cab sounds louder, though, but loudness is not something that speaks of tone quality.

It's driving me a bit nuts lately cause I've spent $ trying to swap pickups, use different cables, try different amps...:)))) It's as if the mids and treble were overpowering the sound and each note rather than having some weight sounds rather sharp and hard cutting. Even leads would not 'sing' but 'click' if it makes any sense.

When i turn the treble and mids down to compensate for it, the sound becomes a bit clouded because it impacts overall tone.
I bought it off a guy who did not play it much and it probably had a couple months of very vague use. it still had the new labels on one of the handles even.

After i picked it up, I probably spent some 50 hours with it since August (2 hours a week with band) which made me think i should try one experiment.

I've tried playing 8 constant days playing bass DIs at louder volumes (with a 50w class D amp/laptop) and different types of music into my cab with the intent to break it in a bit more, if there was any improvement i'd say it was maybe 2%.

Is there something else that i'm overlooking here? Should i try polyfill inside the cab? Adjust speaker tightness? Or is this just another case where i should accept it, try and look for a cab that I like and let this thing go?
thanks for any ideas, i bet some of you must have been there too :).
 
Yeah his cab is a couple years older, probably 5-6 years old. both have V30s, had those cabs opened up :).
 
has it ever been opened? possibly got wired out of phase? I would check them to see theyre all moving together, and that no one swapped out the v30's.
 
I was the first one to open it up. Everything is wired properly, i can check the phase using a 9V battery some time later this week just to see if im getting the same speaker movement. thanks for the tip.
 
Every individual cab and every individual speaker sounds different. Just like snowflakes they are all different.
 
Had this same experience with my Mesa Horizontal 212. It sounded beamy and raspy with the stock UK V30s. They were extremely broken in but I never was able to get a nice tone out of it. Swapped speakers several times and landed on a Chinese V30 and T75 combo and it actually sounds much better to me. Strange, since I absolutely love the Mesa Traditional 412s with UK 30s. Just something about the 212 dimensions or maybe the specific speakers I had..just didn't love em.

I've played a PPC 212 and really didn't jive with it. It was even more piercing and "disconnected" than my Mesa cab was. For me, I'm pretty sure it's a V30 thing. There's a fine line between a perfect cutting, yet smooth tone and that nasty dry upper mid/treble bump that can be so obnoxious.
 
Yeah it's sort of like tubby and boomy while harsh/piercing at the same time. It's really weird cause the other cab just oozes tonez.

I just tried the 9v battery test to look at the phase, everything is moving the right direction.
Maybe it just takes a couple hundred hours to get the V30 to sound like it should. I read somewhere that even the Celestion rep mentioned that a v30 takes 250-300 hours to properly break in. Seems like an overkill but who knows.
One of the best sounding PPC412 i've ever heard is one other friend of mine's, his rehearsal room got flooded a year ago, had something like 1.5 ft of water across the room. He let the cab dry out in the sun and it rips :)))) but i guess that's not something we['re gonna try right? right? :lol: :LOL:
 
Check the phasing on his cab too?

If your cab is out of phase, and he's in, or vice versa it'll sound like all kinds of hogwash until you sort it.
 
Hmm but the difference is really when we try mine first and then his, not at the same time. There's nothing awkward going on when we play together really.
 
Perhaps one is wired series/parallel and the other is parallel/series. There is a fairly subtle, but not negligible, difference in tone and feel.
 
If you take ten identical Orange cabs (or any other make) every one is going to sound different. No two are the same.
 
Depending on how much you care and how much effort you want to put in, you could try swapping speakers between the two, to see how much of the sound difference follows the speakers, and how much sticks with the cab.

Also worth checking how tight the speakers are screwed in, any structural or dimentional differences beteeen the two. The same cab made several years apart may be made to slightly different dimensions, or be made with updated bracing, different thickness wood, etc.
 
Speakers need to be broken-in. You just have to play the shit out of it.

Also as others stated, no two cabs the same. But I think it has more to do with speaker break-in
 
stephen sawall":3i55ikvm said:
If you take ten identical Orange cabs (or any other make) every one is going to sound different. No two are the same.


quoted again for emphasis
 
Are both cabs the same impedance? Measure with a meter to be sure. Don't just go by what's on the label/jack.
 
Guys , thanks to everyone who has chimed in with a response. I tried one thing today - polyfill. Just like bogner does and diezel on their cabs ....just on the rear side of the cab. and it's like a whole different cab. It has fixed all my concerns about my sound.

What sounded tubby and harsh almost cutting before is now chewy and woody with a lot more 3D character as if the bass shifted from boom and quack to thud. Can't even explain it but it sounds as if the cab was a bit more compact, yet louder and at the same time amp controls suddenly work for me and not against me.

It's as if the speaker was driven harder and started pushing more of the good suddenly. I could even lower the gain cause it sounds more saturated or something.
I used a thicker version probably 2 inch thick. If someone ever gets to read this topic and struggles with their tone, it did fix mine.
thanks guys! This literally was a 5$ fix worth 200.
 
K-Roll":2e70ivv7 said:
Guys , thanks to everyone who has chimed in with a response. I tried one thing today - polyfill. Just like bogner does and diezel on their cabs ....just on the rear side of the cab. and it's like a whole different cab. It has fixed all my concerns about my sound.

What sounded tubby and harsh almost cutting before is now chewy and woody with a lot more 3D character as if the bass shifted from boom and quack to thud. Can't even explain it but it sounds as if the cab was a bit more compact, yet louder and at the same time amp controls suddenly work for me and not against me.

It's as if the speaker was driven harder and started pushing more of the good suddenly. I could even lower the gain cause it sounds more saturated or something.
I used a thicker version probably 2 inch thick. If someone ever gets to read this topic and struggles with their tone, it did fix mine.
thanks guys! This literally was a 5$ fix worth 200.
Very odd
 

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