200-Yard Shot

[Floyd Eye]

According to most sources a Mauser 98 is not easy to break down and reassemble in the timeframes given after the shooting was done. You mean to say an inexperienced kid took the time to disassemble that rifle on the rooftop after pulling the trigger, stuffing it into a back pack because he isn't carrying a rifle on that rooftop footage and he jumped down then while escaping took the time to reassmbled the rifle wrap it a towel and leave it in the woods for the FBI to find..........that just doesn't make and logical sense.

I haven't seen the supposed pics but it supposedll shows a fully assemble rifle.

I was addressing you thinking it takes excessive military training to be able to shoot a person. But since you brought up the rifle, you are spending way too much time listening to morons on the internet who like to spread ridiculous conspiracy theories. I don't think the kid was A) all that inexperienced or B) broke the rifle down at all. And by the way, the Mauser is about a 100 year old design. Not difficult to take down. Especially if you're familiar with it.

Long before we knew who the shooter was I could tell you with 100% confidence it was not a professional hit. That's ludicrous.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Call me when you has 2 inch groups @ 3000 yds.

I'll bet you a $1000 you can't pull of a 2" group at 300 yards.

 

[harddriver]

So this inexperienced kid cased that exact location perfectly then. After watching more footage I'll admit it could be a rifle laid down at the gutter prior to his jump but it is not obvious at first watch.

 

[Floyd Eye]

So this inexperienced kid cased that exact location perfectly then. After watching more footage I'll admit it could be a rifle laid down at the gutter prior to his jump but it is not obvious at first watch.

Cased perfectly ? lol

Dude, it's not a mission impossible movie. Kid gets on roof, shoots Kirk. It wasn't fucking rocket science clearly.

Occam's razor dude.

 

[shar-vell Dan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks...orps,Advanced Combat Rifle Marksmanship Table.

 

[harddriver]

Just some basic questions asked and answered here:

 

[Floyd Eye]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marksmanship_badges_(United_States)#:~:text=To earn a Marine Corps,Advanced Combat Rifle Marksmanship Table.

Yeah so what. First off you claim to have been in the Navy. And second of all a link to what marines have to do to qualify has nothing to do with the fact that I am 100% certain you can't shoot 2" groups at 300 yards. Most likely you haven't shot a rifle period in many years.

 

[FourT6and2]

According to most sources a Mauser 98 is not easy to break down and reassemble in the timeframes given after the shooting was done. You mean to say an inexperienced kid took the time to disassemble that rifle on the rooftop after pulling the trigger,

Where are you getting your facts? He didn't disassemble anything. He is clearly holding the rifle under a black towel. He puts it down on the edge of the roof, hangs down, grabs it, then drops to the ground, and picks it up and runs off.

As far as Charlie Kirk being obscured. I call BS on that one as well. Here is the view from the shooting position (picture taken standing). From the prone, he clearly had a clear LOS.

stuffing it into a back pack because he isn't carrying a rifle on that rooftop footage and he jumped down then while escaping took the time to reassmbled the rifle wrap it a towel and leave it in the woods for the FBI to find..........that just doesn't make and logical sense.

It doesn't make sense because your version of events didn't happen.

I haven't seen the supposed pics but it supposedll shows a fully assemble rifle.

Well now you have.

 

[FourT6and2]

Call me when you has 2 inch groups @ 3000 yds.

I know you're being sarcastic. But for anybody else, that's not physically possible. By anybody. 2 inches at 3,000 yards (1.7 miles) would be 0.0667 MOA, which is beyond the capability of anybody in the history of firearms. A more reasonable goal at 3,000 yards would be 1 MOA (30-36 inches). And that has never been done as far as I know.

The world record, set in 2024, for 1,000 yards is a 10-shot group measuring 2.651". If you extrapolate that out to 3,000 yards it would be about 8 inches. Not physically possible. Yet.

Here is a target of mine at 1,000 yards. Shots were taken standing/off-hand, kneeling/sitting, and prone. Sticker to the left of head is cold-bore shot at 200. Headshots at 300. Torso at 800-1,000. This is my target from my VERY FIRST time shooting long-range. It's easy.

If you look closely, you can see I missed exactly ONCE. Lower right corner. In case you don't know, there is another person in the target pit who pulls the target down on a track after each shot and marks it. So any misses are signed and indicated in ink.

 

[JTyson]

Call me when you has 2 inch groups @ 3000 yds.

I guarantee you’ve never shot that group and you don’t know anyone who has.
STFU dipshit. You don’t even know enough to know that what your saying is laughable..

 

[Fiesta Red]

After this tragedy with Charlie Kirk, I've seen a lot of people here and elsewhere claim you have to be a "pro" operator in order to make a 200-yard shot on a torso/head/neck type of target. I think the data shows Charlie Kirk was hit with a shot from around ~140 yards. I hope I'm not being insensitive, but I went to the range with a bolt-action chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor to put this to the test.

Shot from prone position with bipod and rear bag. 200-yard target. One shot every 2 seconds. Center diamond bullseye is 0.25" per side.

The random larger group was me getting bored. So I put 10 shots downrange as fast as I could.

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Scope?

 

[shar-vell Dan]

Thats pretty good for a white boy.
Death rows are full of guys they thought were good too.

 

[Robostyle]

Call me when you has 2 inch groups @ 3000 yds.

3000 yards is almost 2 miles
I think you meant 3000 feet?

 

[FourT6and2]

Scope?

Yes, 5-25.

 

[FourT6and2]

3000 yards is almost 2 miles
I think you meant 3000 feet?

2-inch group (10 shots) at 1,000 yards (3,000 feet) is smaller than the current world record. Either way, I doubt he's had much experience.

My personal standard for success at 1,000 yards is 1 MOA (10 inches). Groups tend to open up considerably at distance due to tolerance stacking. So if you can shoot a tight group at 100—like sub 1/4 MOA—it tends to open up to 1 MOA or larger at distance.

3,000 yards is artillery. At that distance you're lobbing rounds up into the air and hoping they come down in the general vicinity of your target. And it takes many many many attempts before a round hits. The farthest I've shot is 1 mile (1760 yards) with my 6.5. It took about 10 shots before one hit.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Yes, 5-25.

4.5-30x50. Definitely overkill for this .223W

 

[FourT6and2]

4.5-30x50. Definitely overkill for this .223W
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Nice. Here's mine.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Nice. Here's mine.

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Jesus. That's a damn nice set up.

My scope is a Bushnell Elite 6500. New ( when they made them) I could buy 5 for what your scope cost.

Alas, I am not a long distance guy. In reality that Bushnell is more expensive than the gun it's on. If I still hunted I'd have put it on a BAR, but...

Sure is fun at 300 yards though.

 

[BABMusic]

Well, you proved me wrong. I always imagined that 200 yards would be difficult, as I can visualize 2 football fields distance. I know pretty much nothing about rifle shooting, and my only experience was with a pistol. Which reminds me, I need to get that Beretta back, eventually.

 

[FourT6and2]

Jesus. That's a damn nice set up.

My scope is a Bushnell Elite 6500. New ( when they made them) I could buy 5 for what your scope cost.

Alas, I am not a long distance guy. In reality that Bushnell is more expensive than the gun it's on. If I still hunted I'd have put it on a BAR, but...

Sure is fun at 300 yards though.

The general rule of thumb for long-range precision shooting is you should spend as much for the optic as you did for the gun (if not more). Guns can come and go, but optics are the real investment.

Long range shooting is fun, and kind of zen. But it's gotten a bit boring for me. I mostly do sporting clays these days, which is much more fun.