2011 NY Amp show...big waste of time.

[Ventura]

This has turned into a cool Dumble clone thread. Oh, and I have 0 modded Marshalls.

85% of the guys here crave that VH brown sound, the other 15% is divided among Diezels, Bogners, Mesa. Nobody gives a shit about Robben Ford or Dumble tones. The quicker you accept this the better.

Not saying I completey agree with this post, but there's something I like about it.

Maybe it's almost 100% true

I'm in the 15... Robin who?

V.

 

[JTyson]

This has turned into a cool Dumble clone thread. Oh, and I have 0 modded Marshalls.

85% of the guys here crave that VH brown sound, the other 15% is divided among Diezels, Bogners, Mesa. Nobody gives a shit about Robben Ford or Dumble tones. The quicker you accept this the better.

i knew I never fit in here for some reason....i don't like any of those.

Dont you like Wizards? Man, you get some tasty tones out of those
Those Rush tones you got in that one clip awhile back were fantastic Gain without saturation, just smooth purring tube tone
I dont know if the grass is any greener than that

 

[Greazygeo]

GreasyG I checked out some of your stuff awesome playing, really dug it, listen to a few of the Triptik clips that were less heavy, the tones you had on your recordings are for sure in the Triptik.

Hey thanks for checking those out! Are the Triptik clips the ones you posted or somewhere else?

 

[Digital Jams]

This has turned into a cool Dumble clone thread. Oh, and I have 0 modded Marshalls.

85% of the guys here crave that VH brown sound, the other 15% is divided among Diezels, Bogners, Mesa. Nobody gives a shit about Robben Ford or Dumble tones. The quicker you accept this the better.

i knew I never fit in here for some reason....i don't like any of those.

YOu love mesa MK compression, yeah yeah we know

George is a beast of a player, check out his 80s dokken vids of him looking bored while nailing Lynch solos

About the lack of respect over at TGP, for me it is the dumble crew that rules the place and the shit they talk. Never saw more open cloning while puffing out chests calling themselves "masters" in the builder relm. That and one of the ring leaders crying about the metal guys diming Wizard amps trying to be rock stars during the NY ampshow. Yeah right you white puffy faced nerd, we should have been in the bludo room stroking the head ring leaders playing fucking politician that are part for part copies of dumbles.


Master my ass.

 

[oldmanmetal]

For the record I never said anybody's amps were bad, at all. I DID say they have a record of being Dumble influneced/inspired, and what they generally are associated with. Oh and here are some of my Dumble tones.....enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyKxiYDDXzU

 

[Greazygeo]

Dont you like Wizards? Man, you get some tasty tones out of those
Those Rush tones you got in that one clip awhile back were fantastic Gain without saturation, just smooth purring tube tone
I dont know if the grass is any greener than that

Thanks Jim! Yes I am happy with my Wizard it sounds great. The low end could be alittle more defined if I am being nitpicky, and Id rather have something more transparent in the power section. EL34's are too limiting for what I like in higher gain amps The old Marshalls will never go anywhere, for recording they are killer. EL34's in NMV amps are ok for me.

Now if there is something that will give me what I have with the Wizard with some more modern features and tighter lows....well I'd have to think about that.

 

[Greazygeo]

YOu love mesa MK compression, yeah yeah we know

George is a beast of a player, check out his 80s dokken vids of him looking bored while nailing Lynch solos

About the lack of respect over at TGP, for me it is the dumble crew that rules the place and the shit they talk. Never saw more open cloning while puffing out chests calling themselves "masters" in the builder relm. That and one of the ring leaders crying about the metal guys diming Wizard amps trying to be rock stars during the NY ampshow. Yeah right you white puffy faced nerd, we should have been in the bludo room stroking the head ring leaders playing fucking politician that are part for part copies of dumbles.


Master my ass.

Yep that is my favorite!! You kill me Scott.

I like TGP, I just read what I want and have fun with all the EVH dumbness. Wait.....just like here.

The Wizard stuff can sound good at lower volumes too.....not sure if anyone knows that though.

 

[Digital Jams]

YOu love mesa MK compression, yeah yeah we know

George is a beast of a player, check out his 80s dokken vids of him looking bored while nailing Lynch solos

About the lack of respect over at TGP, for me it is the dumble crew that rules the place and the shit they talk. Never saw more open cloning while puffing out chests calling themselves "masters" in the builder relm. That and one of the ring leaders crying about the metal guys diming Wizard amps trying to be rock stars during the NY ampshow. Yeah right you white puffy faced nerd, we should have been in the bludo room stroking the head ring leaders playing fucking politician that are part for part copies of dumbles.


Master my ass.

Yep that is my favorite!! You kill me Scott.

I like TGP, I just read what I want and have fun with all the EVH dumbness. Wait.....just like here.

The Wizard stuff can sound good at lower volumes too.....not sure if anyone knows that though.

I am sorry George but Wizards do not show up often, if I have a shot at one I am diming it

The stories of a/c vents falling from the ceiling there was epic

 

[Flavatrocious]

Also that sucks the show was not any better...[/quote]
Dave has some killer tone. I would take his advice and respect it. I do not want an axe FX. I like tubes. I am sure it has its uses and will be a good tool for others.Me, I'll wind up spending hours tweaking and drive myself insane. I have been there with other units.[/quote]

Man, thats where i'm at with it!!!

 

[Carol-AnnAmps]

Ha Ha, Rig Talk has gone Dumble clone. Knew it was inevitable.

The following is not solelt aimed towards the comment above, but just the whole lack of respect on this thread. I don't expect respect out the gate, but do expect not to be disrespected.

If you think the amp is a Dumble clone then DUMB is a very operative word !!! I'll happily put it up against any of your modded Marshalls. I'm from england dude, I was modding Marshalls in the early 80's because thats what we had to do for real...not because people on here pay $3500 for one and they have become suddenly 'trendy'. We did it because there was nothing else. Actually I saw as many Parks as Marshalls because I am from the North of England.

I'm in business building amps. To be prejudice against any type of persona, musical style, ability or lack thereof is of no interest to me and is no interest to my business either. I think you will find the same response from any amp builder, if they have an ounce of business savvy that is.

I don't care if people hang out on TGP, friggin HC or here, neither do I care if they are rock stars or can only play in their music room before the kids go to bed, neither do I care if they are Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers, <add any other cliche you wish> or they are full time musicians.

If you want to try the amp, then try it and if you don't like it, then fine, I totally accept whatever criticism you have, but if you want to make judgements about me or my products before you even try one, then what can I say ?

I've owned 54 Marshalls including 24 from the Plexi era. I have a fetish for '73 50W JMP's for some reason ......yet...I've worked on 5 Dumbles but I've worked on probably 2000-3000 Marshalls in the last 25 years. Does that 'gain' me admission in to your club ?

Clearly.....I'm not a STFU sort of builder and clearly I detest the dumble association. I've never built a dumble clone in my life, nor would I want to. I don't even really like them. I sound awful through a dumble. THat doesn't mean he didn't come up with some great circuit concepts and methodologies. For that he has my respect anf yes, sure I learned some things from them.

I actually don't know whats worse the snobbery on TGP or the abrassiveness on here. both places have decent people and dickheads, thats life.

I LOVE this passionate response!

Thats funny !!!

It's just missing the Robben ford backing track CD on the front cover.

THAT would've been a GREAT addition!!!

You gotta love the TAG video !

 

[Carol-AnnAmps]

This has turned into a cool Dumble clone thread. Oh, and I have 0 modded Marshalls.

85% of the guys here crave that VH brown sound, the other 15% is divided among Diezels, Bogners, Mesa. Nobody gives a shit about Robben Ford or Dumble tones. The quicker you accept this the better.

The problem is not Dumble or his work or his ability to produce incredible sounding amplifiers. The problem is two-fold, firstly you have an association with Robben Ford and other jazz/fusion players. That alone shouldn't be a problem....but then add the RF followers and the internet and you have a major perception problem.

Despite the fact I have a Dealer network, I get the calls all the time. Can the OD2 cop the RF tones ? Sure it can if you are RF !! But I just let it be known I am not inspired by RF nor do I make Dumble clones so that style has never been at the forefront of my design intentions. My inspirations are Gary Moore, Jeff Beck and David Gilmour pimarily.
That said I have no predjudice about any players or styles, and none of you guys should either. We are all guitar players at the end of the day, we have a common interest. No one can turn around and say Robben, Larry or Carlos can't play....clearly they can, they just may not do so in a style you like. A very famous guitar player once told me that you can learn something from every single guitar player out there, regardless of style or ability...even if it sometimes how not to do something.......

I suggest trying to seperate the players from the interneters. A person may be a metal head or or whatever, but as a guitar player they should still be respectful of styles that may not be their thing. I detest Country, but watching Albert Lee never fails to make my jaw drop. I'm not a huge acoustic guitar lover either, but anyone ever seen Joe B do 'Woke up Dreaming' (see below). He does shred licks on an acoustic for heavens sake. I must admit I have more problems with jazz/fusion because to me it often sounds awkward and very self serving, but that doesn't take away from the skill of the players.

So my advice is try to seperate the internet from genuine players regardless of style.
Same goes for Dumble, he's an amp designer. He could build a high gain metal amp if he wanted. He just chooses not to.

As for the brown sound......exactly the same. Me personally I find it too bright, but with EVH driving it just works. EVH has a very distinctive style that works well with it....it doesn't mean you should go after that, you may sound horrible playing through an amp voiced like that. Most people do. By doing that what makes you any different to the guys trying to cop RF and the smooth jazz shite.
Understanding the best tones for a persons own style is by far a much better approach. Sure inspirations play a huge part, but knowing what works best for you and your own playing will always give way more pleasure.

 

[rupe]

I'm sure the Friedman is nice, but that's not what I'm looking for tonewise. Too saturated.

I think you'd dig it if you dialed it in yourself. All the clips are pretty gainy but the amp does low/mid gain very well too and has a great dynamic response.

 

[jharpersj]

GreasyG you were using a Wizard ? sounded great, GREAT playing and tone ! I had a killer Wizard but it was crazy loud and I need a dual master and a dedicated clean, could not be played without a hotplate but sounded bad ass, I dig your tone not sure I would change, but think the Triptik would be up your alley and give you the features you probably need to gig. Oldman metal I did check out your clips, guitar playing seemed cool very crazy and chaotic, which I liked,not a fan of the cookie monster vocals, the tone was for my tastes a bit mushy and indistinct (solo tone was cool tho), not really hearing a lot of note separation, if thats what you are calling Dumble inspired heavyness then the Triptik is not that. You are making a mistake of thinking Alan has only one flavor of amp design based on what you have heard or read in a forum, I won't try and convince you otherwise but it is not the case. Thanks for posting the clip, I think it helps to know where people are coming from. One thing about RT I like is most of the people on here are great players.

For the record I never said anybody's amps were bad, at all. I DID say they have a record of being Dumble influneced/inspired, and what they generally are associated with. Oh and here are some of my Dumble tones.....enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyKxiYDDXzU

 

[Greazygeo]

GreasyG you were using a Wizard ? sounded great, GREAT playing and tone ! I had a killer Wizard but it was crazy loud and I need a dual master and a dedicated clean, could not be played without a hotplate but sounded bad ass, I dig your tone not sure I would change, but think the Triptik would be up your alley and give you the features you probably need to gig. Oldman metal I did check out your clips, guitar playing seemed cool very crazy and chaotic, which I liked,not a fan of the cookie monster vocals, the tone was for my tastes a bit mushy and indistinct (solo tone was cool tho), not really hearing a lot of note separation, if thats what you are calling Dumble inspired heavyness then the Triptik is not that. You are making a mistake of thinking Alan has only one flavor of amp design based on what you have heard or read in a forum, I won't try and convince you otherwise but it is not the case. Thanks for posting the clip, I think it helps to know where people are coming from. One thing about RT I like is most of the people on here are great players.

Thanks Jim. If you were listening to the Myspace stuff, that was my old VHT UL all on the rhythm channel. I didnt have my Wizard when we did that stuff, he was out of buisness at that point. There is some stuff on Youtube that is Wizard. Mine was custom made for me around '05 so its pretty tame-able. The low end could be a tad tighter and I'd like a power section a bit more flat response. But it is a good amp for sure. I tend to change things up every 7-8 years in the live rig, not sure why. My two plexi Marshalls are a constant though.

I listened to your clips and band stuff last nite. I like your band, cool tunes, great playing and singing. Tones are cool as well. The first tune on their is very cool. You guys should do well.

 

[oldmanmetal]

GreasyG you were using a Wizard ? sounded great, GREAT playing and tone ! I had a killer Wizard but it was crazy loud and I need a dual master and a dedicated clean, could not be played without a hotplate but sounded bad ass, I dig your tone not sure I would change, but think the Triptik would be up your alley and give you the features you probably need to gig. Oldman metal I did check out your clips, guitar playing seemed cool very crazy and chaotic, which I liked,not a fan of the cookie monster vocals, the tone was for my tastes a bit mushy and indistinct (solo tone was cool tho), not really hearing a lot of note separation, if thats what you are calling Dumble inspired heavyness then the Triptik is not that. You are making a mistake of thinking Alan has only one flavor of amp design based on what you have heard or read in a forum, I won't try and convince you otherwise but it is not the case. Thanks for posting the clip, I think it helps to know where people are coming from. One thing about RT I like is most of the people on here are great players.

For the record I never said anybody's amps were bad, at all. I DID say they have a record of being Dumble influneced/inspired, and what they generally are associated with. Oh and here are some of my Dumble tones.....enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyKxiYDDXzU

That was a bit tongue in cheek, these are clearly NOT Dumble influenced tones. I have not used my preamp for any recording projects yet. Will be soon.....I also stated I have spent a good deal of time with 2 of his amps the Tucana, and OD2 I believe. Nice, and very Dumblesque in the TGP sense of the word. I like those tones, just not nearly aggressive enough for my metal projects. Too smooooth. I don't go for the da Browwwn Sooound either. Need lots of cut and definition at higher BPM.

 

[steve_k]

What's a Dumble?

 

[jharpersj]

Triptik has nothing to do with the OD or Tucana series, not sure how many times I have to say that it is a new design entirely, I own/gig a Tucana and a Triptik, they are not alike, it is like saying you spent time with a Fender Twin and so you already know what a Marshall sounds like. I do not hear the cut and definition in your tone that you are talking about, it sounds a bit mushy and undefined to me, I did like the lead tones those were cool. Your band sounds very Dumble though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyKxiYDDXzU[/quote][/quote]

That was a bit tongue in cheek, these are clearly NOT Dumble influenced tones. I have not used my preamp for any recording projects yet. Will be soon.....I also stated I have spent a good deal of time with 2 of his amps the Tucana, and OD2 I believe. Nice, and very Dumblesque in the TGP sense of the word. I like those tones, just not nearly aggressive enough for my metal projects. Too smooooth. I don't go for the da Browwwn Sooound either. Need lots of cut and definition at higher BPM.[/quote]

 

[Greazygeo]

I'm sure the Friedman is nice, but that's not what I'm looking for tonewise. Too saturated.

I think you'd dig it if you dialed it in yourself. All the clips are pretty gainy but the amp does low/mid gain very well too and has a great dynamic response.

Yeah Bill I'm sure it would be different sitting in front/ playing it. I'm not sure it has the attack, clarity and wide soundstage I'm looking for. The other thing thats a drag for me is it looks like a Marshall. Don't get me wrong, I like the looks of an old plexi but not in a modern amp. I know its lame, but amps using those types of chassis/headboxes look like modded amps to me.

 

[Carol-AnnAmps]

I'm sure the Friedman is nice, but that's not what I'm looking for tonewise. Too saturated.

I think you'd dig it if you dialed it in yourself. All the clips are pretty gainy but the amp does low/mid gain very well too and has a great dynamic response.

Yeah Bill I'm sure it would be different sitting in front/ playing it. I'm not sure it has the attack, clarity and wide soundstage I'm looking for. The other thing thats a drag for me is it looks like a Marshall. Don't get me wrong, I like the looks of an old plexi but not in a modern amp. I know its lame, but amps using those types of chassis/headboxes look like modded amps to me.

In all seriousness, I actually think that is the exact look they are going for. THe modded Marshall thing. Some people want that.

Personally, I would rather have a clean sheet design and layout, but I totally respect the fact that guys still like the look of old Marshalls / modded Marshalls. By working around a chassis of another amp, you end up laying things out with controls in places that you can't get to at a gig etc etc. But like I said, each to their own. What is important to me may mean nothing to the next guy.

 

[thegame]

Yeah Bill I'm sure it would be different sitting in front/ playing it. I'm not sure it has the attack, clarity and wide soundstage I'm looking for.

I played a loaded one. It does not have the attack, clarity and huge sound of the Wizards though it does sound very good. It does the smooth, sustaining saturated thing better than the Wizard for sure though you're not looking for that.

You have to buy German George