212/115 speaker cab build

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You may have seen me mention doing this build in the other thread asking about 15 inch speakers. The build is coming along nicely.

Over the last few weeks I did all the major wood working constructing the main shell, bracing, back, & baffle. This past weekend I buttoned up the last of the minor stuff like drilling pilot holes & adding T-nuts and covered the cab. I also put it all together & dropped in some speakers to test out. As it stands it's functional but not completely finished.

It's 3/4" 7 ply Birch plywood throughout except for the frame around the front perimeter. I used douglas fir for that. I didn't want to cut down the last strip of plywood I have because it was just the right size for a baffle on another project. I used simple butt joints but everything is tight fitting, glued & nailed, and full internal bracing. So it's nice and sturdy. My fat ass stood on it to make sure. I copied the dimensions of my Egnater Armageddon 412 cab so it's 30"x30"x14" and the baffle has a 2 degree tilt-back. The wrap matches my Randall RM100 head.

I have it wired for mono/stereo. It's 8 ohms mono or 16 ohms stereo to split the 15" and 2-12" speakers each side. For speakers I'm using a 15" Alnico Weber Blue Dog. This speaker didn't have any doping. I tried it as is, but the cone cry was a too much with high gain at louder volume so I'll need to add dope. Still slightly undecided on the 12" speakers. Right now I have some Celestion 70/80s in it since it was the only 8 ohm speakers I had laying around. Those aren't staying in, I just needed something to drop in and test out. For the 12" speakers it's going to be a coin flip between Weber Grey Wolfs or Celestion Redbacks. Based on how the 70/80s sound with the Blue Dog I'm leaning toward the Grey Wolfs. I'm thinking their upper midrange frequencies will pair better with the extended low end of the Blue Dog. Might end up too dark sounding with Redbacks.

I still need to paint the baffle and buy 12" speakers & grill cloth.
Playing thought it even with the shitty 70/80 speakers it sounds huge. The 15" Blue Dog adds some really nice low end thump without it being too much. On it's own it feels like it lacks a but of upper end clarity. Though that just could be from being in a large cab that's not fitting for it to be played by itself. Just the 70/80s sound okay, but are kinda bland and has that harsh upper end their known for. As a whole I can still hear the lack of character and some of the harshness from the 70/80s, but the Blue Dog helps balance that out a good bit. Once I get those things out and put respectable 12" speakers in there I think this cab is going to sound massive.

I'll get more thorough pictures up later when it's fully complete. For now here are a couple of in progress and current standing pics.

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Of course the cat had to be nosey and get in the picture LOL
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Really nice work! Obviously you have experience with saws! It would be nice to know if one the purchased cabs made by so.e of the USA builders had that attention to detail, I wouldn't count on it. I bet it sounds damn good , very nice!
 
Since the last post I added dope the the 15" Blue Dog. It doesn't look overly pretty in a few spots, but I got it spread out evenly and it serves it's function. No more horrible cone cry. I also bough a used Gray Wolf from Reverb and have had it for a couple of weeks. I messed around with it paired with the Blue Dog and liked it. I ordered another Gray Wolf directly from Weber with the same specs as the one from Reverb. It's out for delivery today.

I also got the grill cloth. Decided to go with a gray & black matrix cloth from speakerbuildersupply.com. It looks pretty good in person and appears to be good quality.
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By the weekend I'll have it up and running with the speakers I want in it, but won't be able to fully finish it. The last piece of the puzzle is some metal cutouts to use as an amp badge. I ordered 2 different ones. They're just getting shipped out. Once they come in I'll be able to pick which one I'll use, add the support for it to mount to, paint the baffle, attach the grill cloth and be done.

These are the 2 cutouts I ordered to pick from. Still not sure which one I want to use. I'll decide once I see them in person. Hopefully they won't take too long to get to me.

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fuckin badass. butt joints the way you did it are perfectly fine. great work...looks pro as fuck...
 
The Gray Wolf speaker was waiting for me when I got home. I pulled the 70/80's out, dropped in the 2 Gray Wolves, and got about an hour of play time. I played through my Naylor, KSR Gemini & ENGL Inferno; about 20 minutes with each amp.

Firstly, Holy Hell! it sounds better than I thought it would. The Blue Dog 15 and Gray Wolves really pair well together. Not surprising though since Weber calls them as "cousins". Since I had only messed around with 1 of each speaker in separate cabs I was worried that the slightly different midrange frequencies wouldn't blend well together when in the same cab, but that's not the case at all.

The Gray Wolves are pretty much exactly as described by Weber and have a nice midrange grind, punch & cut. The Blue Dog 15 seems to add a few extra midrange frequencies that blend in well, that Voxey upper end chime and some nice low end thump.

All together it's very massive sounding, Like you're running through more than just 3 speakers. You know the low end is there but it doesn't muddy anything up. Upper end chime retains clarity. The mids are just right to cut through no problems, but not burn out your ears in 5 minutes like a V30 can do.

Playing through the Naylor it felt like the cab really brought out it's organic nature yet still kept everything tight enough. It also seemed to bring out more punch and brightness from the Naylor than the cab I had been using. I actually backed the treble & presence down a bit, where before I had them near full on. I'm very pleased with the way this pairing sounds.

I'm not sure if this cab is right for my KSR. Though this could be that's there's so much range that this amp can cover and I haven't gotten it to the sweet spot. I also just came off of playing the Naylor which is a vastly different sounding amp that the KSR. So that probably influenced my perception of the sound. With the KSR the highs and lows were perfectly fine, but I kept hearing an odd woodiness? in the [I think] low-mids. I need to go back and let this be the first amp I play so my ears aren't normalized to a different tone.

Going through the ENGL Inferno was a good pairing also. Unlike the KSR, the Inferno is more tonally similar to the Naylor so my ears adjusted to it fairly quickly. The Inferno isn't as compressed as other ENGL, but compared to the Naylor (and the KSR) has much more compressions. Perfect for higher gain fast paced rhythms I like playing. I felt like the cab helped to accentuate the qualities of the Inferno. I did find I needed to back off on the bass slightly going from just before noon to about 10:00. On this amp I usually have the mids & treble set just past noon and 2:00 respectively and that was good with this cab too.

I don't have much planned for the weekend for a change so hopefully I be able to try this cab with a few of my other amps. As I mentioned in my previous post I'm waiting on those badges so I can finish up the few things left to do. But it's fully functional and has the speakers I want in it. So I can play through it while I wait. Considering this was one of my "I'll try and see what happens" experiments, this came out so much better than I could have hoped for. Overall it's a great sounding cab. If I had the space I'd start building another one. I'm looking forward to getting the cab 100% complete.
 
The metal pieces I ordered to use as badges came earlier expected so I was able to complete the cab today. Played the KSR through it again and this go round it sounded how it should. Like I figured, my ears probably didn't adjust well switching from the Naylor to the KSR since they're vastly different sounding amps.

Anyway here are some pics of the completed cab.

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HOLY SHIT!!!!! WOW.....that turned out EPIC!!!! I freakin love it bro...you killed it for sure...
 
HOLY SHIT!!!!! WOW.....that turned out EPIC!!!! I freakin love it bro...you killed it for sure...

Thanks, I figured you'd like it.

I wasn't worried about the build quality or wrap, but I was really nervous about how it would end up sounding. The oversized 212 I built a while back took a couple of revisions & a lot of trial and error until I got it to sound decent; and that was with copying a design. There's really no examples of a 212/115 to copy and I'm no cab designer. So I mostly winged it the best I could with a standard 412 design/dimensions and hoping for the best. Somehow I got it just right on the first go. I'm pleasantly surprised and quite pleased with how it sounds. Now I'll need to do some recordings and see if I can capture the in the room sound well enough.
 
I finally got around to making a clip that decently representative of how it sound in the room. It's an old band original that I still somewhat remember how to play. This is what was used.

Ibanez Iceman with V-5 pickups
ENGL Inferno
Electro-voice Cobalt 9 Dynamic mic on the 15" Blue Dog at about the edge of the dustcap; center pan
Sterling Audio MP230 Condenser mics on the Grey Wolfs. One on the edge of the dustcap and the other about midway to the edge of the speaker. Each mic panned about 80% L & R respectively.
Recorded with a Zoom R20 digital multitrack.

This was pretty much recorded straight up garage band style. Dropped the mics in front of the speakers, loaded a basic drum track to play to, hit record and go. The only editing was adjusting the pan and volumes on the mics. Last thing to mention, the first few seconds before the drums kick in is the 15" blue dog by itself.

 
I like to build cabs too so I know what goes into em. That turned out badass man, nice job.
 
I dig it....reminds me of Ghosts of mars for some reason.....
 
The metal pieces I ordered to use as badges came earlier expected so I was able to complete the cab today. Played the KSR through it again and this go round it sounded how it should. Like I figured, my ears probably didn't adjust well switching from the Naylor to the KSR since they're vastly different sounding amps.

Anyway here are some pics of the completed cab.

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I remember almost getting this color ........... I went with the darker " Plum " ...... that looks phenomenal !!!!
 
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