$30K for a Trainwreck?

[Beyond Black]

Real PAF pickups and 60 year old wood cannot be replicated fyi

Whatever. That TW in that video would be a cut above a late 60’s Marshall with a ‘59 Burst, or a fucking Hello Kitty guitar.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Clips are clips and don't do any amp justice,

i see people say this.. if that is the case why do we give albums credence and not clips?? isnt an album basically just organized clips which most have been highly processed? i think if i held an iphone up next to my head and recorded it would play back something pretty similar to what im actually hearing

Not saying clips can't sound good and give some representation of an amp, but they're still not gonna be the same tone as if you were in the room.

 

[Racerxrated]

Clips are clips and don't do any amp justice,

i see people say this.. if that is the case why do we give albums credence and not clips?? isnt an album basically just organized clips which most have been highly processed? i think if i held an iphone up next to my head and recorded it would play back something pretty similar to what im actually hearing

Not saying clips can't sound good and give some representation of an amp, but they're still not gonna be the same tone as if you were in the room.

This. I know it’s all we have sometimes but clips can be and are deceiving. I always first go by opinions rather than clips, since I’ve been lured into buying amps based on clips only to return/sell the amp immediately.

That said, the Trainwreck is one of those unobtanium amps that clearly deserves all the accolades. Love to try one sometime. But for the asking prices I doubt that will happen.

 

[panhead]

The Komet 60 is the real deal. Ken let them use his design for the most part towards the end of his life. Still pricey bout like a wizard.

 

[itsme]

Dr Z --> Z Wreck. Ken Fisher helped design it as a clone.

 

[Goat]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

 

[WGAF]

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[Goat]

This fully confirms that a TW needs to be in the hands of somebody who truly knows how to 'handle' a guitar.
You may be a great player and a monster shredder but to harness a TW you must also know how to 'handle' a guitar and its controls.

Any amplifier needs to be in the hands of a someone who can play... that's a given. The TW is no different from any other NMV amplifier of similar design and power. e.g. Ampeg SVT.

The position of the Express tone stack makes it extremely sensitive to string articulation. You just have to adjust your playing dynamics, postion (in relation to the cabinet), and volume. MV amp players would be out of the element, for sure. Like any NMV Marshall, VOX, Ampeg... The guitar volume pot is used to "drive" the amplifier. e.g. Set guitar volume at 0, amp volume at 10 and scale from there. It's not that a TW is better at "cleaning-up" with the guitar volume backed off than any other NMV amp... This is standard-fare NMV amp operation.

 

[WGAF]

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[Racerxrated]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

You do know that 2 of those 3 played nvm Marshalls right?

Your post makes me wonder why you’re here at all.
TGP is definitely more for you.

 

[Goat]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

You do know that 2 of those 3 played nvm Marshalls right?

You do know a NMV Marshall is not a Trainwreck, right?

 

[Goat]

This fully confirms that a TW needs to be in the hands of somebody who truly knows how to 'handle' a guitar.
You may be a great player and a monster shredder but to harness a TW you must also know how to 'handle' a guitar and its controls.

Any amplifier needs to be in the hands of a someone who can play... that's a given. The TW is no different from any other NMV amplifier of similar design and power. e.g. Ampeg SVT.

The position of the Express tone stack makes it extremely sensitive to string articulation. You just have to adjust your playing dynamics, postion (in relation to the cabinet), and volume. MV amp players would be out of the element, for sure. Like any NMV Marshall, VOX, Ampeg... The guitar volume pot is used to "drive" the amplifier. e.g. Set guitar volume at 0, amp volume at 10 and scale from there. It's not that a TW is better at "cleaning-up" with the guitar volume backed off than any other NMV amp... This is standard-fare NMV amp operation.

I hear you but when you actually play through a real TW you'll get a better understanding.

This thing ain't NOTHING like the amps you mentioned and this is why it's a TW and sells for $30K.

I have a good stash of decent amps and none of them play like a TW.

I've played several accurate TW Express clones, so I am familiar with them. That said, I don't care for the way they compress at higher volumes.

I never compared those amps to a TW... I was simply commenting on the characteristics of NMV (max volume) play; which is accurate.

 

[SpiderWars]

I'd love to have a Trainwreck...modded by Cameron.

I've built/played clones and it's a cool sound and fun to play for a while but it's just not my favorite tone. I'd rather have a plexi and a pedal anyday. They actually are not as loud as you might think (a 50W plexi would bury it) and don't have a ton of thump. And if you try to increase the bass it gets flubby at high volume pretty fast. They are legendary and rare and probably should go for $30K (which not for nothing seems like the same amount they went for 10+ years ago).

GK is a really good player and works that volume like nobody's business...I don't (and can't) play like that. I'm more of a VH type volume player where I have 2 settings "all the way up or not all the way up".

 

[Goat]

I'd love to have a Trainwreck...modded by Cameron.

There it is! I was going to say... 'Most RT members would send their TW to Cameron for mods...', but I didn't.

I've built/played clones and it's a cool sound and fun to play for a while but it's just not my favorite tone. I'd rather have a plexi and a pedal anyday. They actually are not as loud as you might think (a 50W plexi would bury it) and don't have a ton of thump. And if you try to increase the bass it gets flubby at high volume pretty fast.

Agreed. My experience, exactly.

 

[braintheory]

I'd love to have a Trainwreck...modded by Cameron.

I've built/played clones and it's a cool sound and fun to play for a while but it's just not my favorite tone. I'd rather have a plexi and a pedal anyday. They actually are not as loud as you might think (a 50W plexi would bury it) and don't have a ton of thump. And if you try to increase the bass it gets flubby at high volume pretty fast. They are legendary and rare and probably should go for $30K (which not for nothing seems like the same amount they went for 10+ years ago).

GK is a really good player and works that volume like nobody's business...I don't (and can't) play like that. I'm more of a VH type volume player where I have 2 settings "all the way up or not all the way up".

I’ve not had the pleasure yet of trying a real train wreck, but I’ve played several Komet’s, which are probably some of the closer ones to the real deal, and tried a Fuchs Train Wreck clone. Based on my experience with those amps, I’d disagree. The Komet’s were plenty loud. I didn’t have a 50 watt Plexi right next to it, but I’d imagine them being pretty similar in volume. I didn’t find them lacking thump either, but they’re also not metal or hard rock amps. I tried the Komet next to a Cornford head and it had similar amount of thump to that, but much richer, more complex and just better tone

It’s probably not an amp/flavor I would reach for super often either, but can appreciate how good it is. Given that all the Dumble clones I’ve tried came nowhere close to the real thing (I’ve tried Bludotone, Smartbelle, Fuchs, and many Two Rock’s), I’m guessing the same will likely be true with Train Wreck, so I wouldn’t read into it too much until trying a real one. That being said, the Komet’s still sounded great

 

[Racerxrated]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

You do know that 2 of those 3 played nvm Marshalls right?

You do know a NMV Marshall is not a Trainwreck, right?

Ahh yes. I was merely referring to your assumption about MV amps and the bands that you claimed used them. NMV amps are NMV amps...nothing secret or special about how they are used. TW is an amazing sounding/feeling amp, no doubt. A NMV Marshall reacts in a similar way..but they are certainly different sounding. Those lead players in the 80s bands that you secretly worship grew up on, and continue to use NMV amps. I'd bet that since they have the means, they probably own a TW or two. Along with a Dumble or 3. To go along with their 67 Plexis.
Just saying.

 

[Goat]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

You do know that 2 of those 3 played nvm Marshalls right?

You do know a NMV Marshall is not a Trainwreck, right?

Ahh yes. I was merely referring to your assumption about MV amps and the bands that you claimed used them. NMV amps are NMV amps...nothing secret or special about how they are used. TW is an amazing sounding/feeling amp, no doubt. A NMV Marshall reacts in a similar way..but they are certainly different sounding. Those lead players in the 80s bands that you secretly worship grew up on, and continue to use NMV amps. I'd bet that since they have the means, they probably own a TW or two. Along with a Dumble or 3. To go along with their 67 Plexis.
Just saying.

The bands I grew-up on didn't play MV amplifers, because they didn't exist.

The first MV amplifier I ever played was a Boogie Mark I. Mike Tobias had one in his shop, which was one of the first Boogie's ever made. He eventually moved it to the back of his shop, so we couldn't "demo" it. One too many renditions of "Breakin The Law"?

 

[Racerxrated]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

You do know that 2 of those 3 played nvm Marshalls right?

You do know a NMV Marshall is not a Trainwreck, right?

Ahh yes. I was merely referring to your assumption about MV amps and the bands that you claimed used them. NMV amps are NMV amps...nothing secret or special about how they are used. TW is an amazing sounding/feeling amp, no doubt. A NMV Marshall reacts in a similar way..but they are certainly different sounding. Those lead players in the 80s bands that you secretly worship grew up on, and continue to use NMV amps. I'd bet that since they have the means, they probably own a TW or two. Along with a Dumble or 3. To go along with their 67 Plexis.
Just saying.

The bands I grew-up on didn't play MV amplifers, because they didn't exist.

The first MV amplifier I ever played was a Boogie Mark I. Mike Tobias had one in his shop, which was one of the first Boogie's ever made. He eventually moved it to the back of his shop, so we couldn't "demo" it. One too many renditions of "Breakin The Law"?

That was the first song I ever learned on guitar.

 

[Goat]

Don't get me wrong here, I love the TW circuit... it's that $30k price tag. But... but... it's collectible!

Trainwreck tone is far removed from RATT, Dokken, and Steel Panther. As such, 99% of Rig Talk alumni wouldn't dig-it. Not without a MV mod, variac, attenuator, effects... By then, you may as well just buy an AxeFx.

You do know that 2 of those 3 played nvm Marshalls right?

You do know a NMV Marshall is not a Trainwreck, right?

Ahh yes. I was merely referring to your assumption about MV amps and the bands that you claimed used them. NMV amps are NMV amps...nothing secret or special about how they are used. TW is an amazing sounding/feeling amp, no doubt. A NMV Marshall reacts in a similar way..but they are certainly different sounding. Those lead players in the 80s bands that you secretly worship grew up on, and continue to use NMV amps. I'd bet that since they have the means, they probably own a TW or two. Along with a Dumble or 3. To go along with their 67 Plexis.
Just saying.

The bands I grew-up on didn't play MV amplifers, because they didn't exist.

The first MV amplifier I ever played was a Boogie Mark I. Mike Tobias had one in his shop, which was one of the first Boogie's ever made. He eventually moved it to the back of his shop, so we couldn't "demo" it. One too many renditions of "Breakin The Law"?

That was the first song I ever learned on guitar.

 

[Markedman]

Everyone’s missing the point! You get $1499 in rewards. Can anybody else see that? Rewards!

Some of the goofiest faces I’ve ever seen are people who have just drank a shot of Jack Daniels whiskey and a skilled guitar player playing through a Marshall stack made in the late 60s through green back speakers. Both are something that everyone has to do once in their life to really understand how the late 60s Marshall amps and Jack Daniels whiskey got their reputation. I’ve never played through a trainwreck but I have owned many Marshall and Fender amps and they have a tone that really is unbeatable that’s why you see people like Eric Johnson, Mike Stern & Robin Ford using those amps.