A/B/Y amp switcher??? and MIDI programing questions. updated

[again with this]

I posted the same quesion on Monster Rack at HC...

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/for ... ?t=1956482

But somehow, I expect better responsed here.

Okay, I am twitching to run wet/dry/wet.

I have a 5150 I want to use as the dry and a Mesa Recto rig for the stereo.

I need an amp switcher and A/B/Y signal splitter. Right now, I use the relays out of my G Major on the Recto Pre which controlls the 2:100 for "modern" mode. I also want to switch channels simultaneously on the 5150.

Is there something reletively simple that will still use the relays out of the GMajor and split the two relay contacts into four? Obvioulsy, there would be two sets of two not four indepant relays. This would be the most simple configuration. OR... do I need some kind of MIDI controlled all-in-one signal splitter/relay controller???

I am a total MIDI noob, so simplicity is a must.

Any reccomendations?

Update 05/03/10

So, to save you reading the whole thread...

....Two years later....

Crunchy metal goodness

 

[Gainfreak]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

+1

Steve

 

[chunktone]

Looking at what you have. I would set things up like this. I would add a THD Hot Plate and run it with the 5150. Run the line out of the Hot Plate into your G Major. This way you get all the characteristics of your amp(pre-amp and power-amp) before your signal is effected. Then run out of the G Major directly to your Mesa power amp, and out to left and right. I would set up the 5150 in the center, then have left and right wet cabs for stereo separation. As far as switching goes, I use a Beheringer foot controller, I think the model is FCB1010. It has 2 relays. I added a 7pin midi jack and wired the relays to it to do the switching on my Triple XXX. I think FJA Amp Mods makes custom cables to be able to do this with different amps. they may make something that will work for your 5150.

 

[caylor02]

I'm a bit confused... Are you wanting to run the 5150 and the mesa pre at the same time into one or two cabs and then run effects into different cabs???

If that is that case it won't work correctly unless you get another power amp.

Unless I am missing something in your setup.

 

[again with this]

I'm a bit confused... Are you wanting to run the 5150 and the mesa pre at the same time into one or two cabs and then run effects into different cabs???

If that is that case it won't work correctly unless you get another power amp.

Unless I am missing something in your setup.

I want to split the signal from my guitar with some sort of A/B/Y box (mostly Y) then the Recto rack will be it's own "stereo" entity and the 5150 will be it's own "dry" entity. I have a 3rd cab to use one with the 5150 and two with the Rectos. However, I want to do channel switching simultaneously on both amps.

 

[again with this]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

The GCX won't do A/B/Y??? If not, it seems like overkill for a little realy switching.

I have a Roland FC-200 floor controller. I am pretty sure it has enough relays to do what I want. I just have zero idea how to program it. But I still need a non-tone sucking A/B/Y.

 

[Zachman]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

Agreed... You (The OP) may also consider an RJM Amp Gizmo to MIDI switch your amp channels. VERY simple to use, and not very expensive.

 

[Zachman]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

The GCX won't do A/B/Y??? If not, it seems like overkill for a little realy switching.

I have a Roland FC-200 floor controller. I am pretty sure it has enough relays to do what I want. I just have zero idea how to program it. But I still need a non-tone sucking A/B/Y.

Sure it will, it doesn't care what it's switching, it'll allow both amps to have signal running to them simultaneously.

 

[Gainfreak]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

The GCX won't do A/B/Y??? If not, it seems like overkill for a little realy switching.

I have a Roland FC-200 floor controller. I am pretty sure it has enough relays to do what I want. I just have zero idea how to program it. But I still need a non-tone sucking A/B/Y.

correct me if Im wrong but you asked in your original post if there was a box that you could ADD to your g-major to SPLIT THE SIGNAL and my reply is that I don't know of a box that will split the signal of the G-majors relays. With that said, the GCX or amp guizmo will allow you to do with EXACTLY what you want and more and you can either drop using the relays of the G-major or use them in conjunction with the GCX.

I hope this helps

~R~

 

[glpg80]

amp pr0n...

all this talk about wet, dry, wet-ness

 

[again with this]

I don't think that there is a device that will do what you want in order to split the signal but Im not an expert. With that said, you seem to be a prime candidate for a GCX type switcher.

The GCX won't do A/B/Y??? If not, it seems like overkill for a little realy switching.

I have a Roland FC-200 floor controller. I am pretty sure it has enough relays to do what I want. I just have zero idea how to program it. But I still need a non-tone sucking A/B/Y.

correct me if Im wrong but you asked in your original post if there was a box that you could ADD to your g-major to SPLIT THE SIGNAL and my reply is that I don't know of a box that will split the signal of the G-majors relays. With that said, the GCX or amp guizmo will allow you to do with EXACTLY what you want and more and you can either drop using the relays of the G-major or use them in conjunction with the GCX.

I hope this helps

~R~

yeah, I did ask about splitting the GMajor relays. but that was more of an uninformed means to an end.

Really the GMajor switching the Mesa is just fine, what I really want is to ADD the 5150 to the mix and have it switch clean/distorted at the same time as the Mesas. that's where I was going with the relay splitting.

The effects on the Mesa are fine, don't need them on the 5150. Just want them to switch channels simultaneously.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What's this amp gizmo?

 

[again with this]

amp pr0n...

all this talk about wet, dry, wet-ness

Yep. it is kinda sexy isn't it?

 

[Gainfreak]

yeah, I did ask about splitting the GMajor relays. but that was more of an uninformed means to an end.

Really the GMajor switching the Mesa is just fine, what I really want is to ADD the 5150 to the mix and have it switch clean/distorted at the same time as the Mesas. that's where I was going with the relay splitting.

The effects on the Mesa are fine, don't need them on the 5150. Just want them to switch channels simultaneously.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What's this amp gizmo?

Sup! I just wasn't sure if I was clear lol!! With that said the GCX can control both amps at the same time as well as switch your effects. The amp gizmo is like the GCX switcher.
you can check it out here!

http://www.rjmmusic.com/ampgizmo.php

 

[again with this]

yeah, I did ask about splitting the GMajor relays. but that was more of an uninformed means to an end.

Really the GMajor switching the Mesa is just fine, what I really want is to ADD the 5150 to the mix and have it switch clean/distorted at the same time as the Mesas. that's where I was going with the relay splitting.

The effects on the Mesa are fine, don't need them on the 5150. Just want them to switch channels simultaneously.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What's this amp gizmo?

Sup! I just wasn't sure if I was clear lol!! With that said the GCX can control both amps at the same time as well as switch your effects. The amp gizmo is like the GCX switcher.
you can check it out here!

http://www.rjmmusic.com/ampgizmo.php

Yowza!

The gizmo looks cool, but doesn't look like it splits the signal from the guitar to two amps.

Isn't there something simple, much more simple, that will do what I want? I dont' really need more MIDI control. From the feedback I am getting, sounds like that may be the only way.

So, related question to all... Any reccomendations for a reference how to learn to program MIDI? Like MIDI for dummies. Most of the stuff I have found isn't really amp/effects related. Most of what I have found is more about sequencing music.

It seems very foreign to me at this point. The irony of the whole thing is I can program a telephone system of two... but I am very intimidated by MIDI.

 

[Zachman]

yeah, I did ask about splitting the GMajor relays. but that was more of an uninformed means to an end.

Really the GMajor switching the Mesa is just fine, what I really want is to ADD the 5150 to the mix and have it switch clean/distorted at the same time as the Mesas. that's where I was going with the relay splitting.

The effects on the Mesa are fine, don't need them on the 5150. Just want them to switch channels simultaneously.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What's this amp gizmo?

Sup! I just wasn't sure if I was clear lol!! With that said the GCX can control both amps at the same time as well as switch your effects. The amp gizmo is like the GCX switcher.
you can check it out here!

http://www.rjmmusic.com/ampgizmo.php

Yowza!

The gizmo looks cool, but doesn't look like it splits the signal from the guitar to two amps.

Isn't there something simple, much more simple, that will do what I want? I dont' really need more MIDI control. From the feedback I am getting, sounds like that may be the only way.

So, related question to all... Any reccomendations for a reference how to learn to program MIDI? Like MIDI for dummies. Most of the stuff I have found isn't really amp/effects related. Most of what I have found is more about sequencing music.

It seems very foreign to me at this point. The irony of the whole thing is I can program a telephone system of two... but I am very intimidated by MIDI.

I would recommend that reading the following is a good place to start re: MIDI what it is etc...

http://www.musicplayers.com/tutorials/guitars/2006/0306_MIDIFootControllers.php

 

[again with this]

I would recommend that reading the following is a good place to start re: MIDI what it is etc...

http://www.musicplayers.com/tutorials/guitars/2006/0306_MIDIFootControllers.php

Thank you Zach. This looks exactly like where I need to start.

 

[glpg80]

yeah, I did ask about splitting the GMajor relays. but that was more of an uninformed means to an end.

Really the GMajor switching the Mesa is just fine, what I really want is to ADD the 5150 to the mix and have it switch clean/distorted at the same time as the Mesas. that's where I was going with the relay splitting.

The effects on the Mesa are fine, don't need them on the 5150. Just want them to switch channels simultaneously.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What's this amp gizmo?

Sup! I just wasn't sure if I was clear lol!! With that said the GCX can control both amps at the same time as well as switch your effects. The amp gizmo is like the GCX switcher.
you can check it out here!

http://www.rjmmusic.com/ampgizmo.php

OMG

thats EXACTLY. what i needed.

my 5150II is MIDI, and controlling the bank's and program functions via my midi footswitch just cant be programmed. i was confoosed.

that box is exactly what i have needed. awsome. imho the info here should be renamed MIDI TOPIC and become a sticky =]

 

[Zachman]

yeah, I did ask about splitting the GMajor relays. but that was more of an uninformed means to an end.

Really the GMajor switching the Mesa is just fine, what I really want is to ADD the 5150 to the mix and have it switch clean/distorted at the same time as the Mesas. that's where I was going with the relay splitting.

The effects on the Mesa are fine, don't need them on the 5150. Just want them to switch channels simultaneously.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What's this amp gizmo?

Sup! I just wasn't sure if I was clear lol!! With that said the GCX can control both amps at the same time as well as switch your effects. The amp gizmo is like the GCX switcher.
you can check it out here!

http://www.rjmmusic.com/ampgizmo.php

OMG

thats EXACTLY. what i needed.

my 5150II is MIDI, and controlling the bank's and program functions via my midi footswitch just cant be programmed. i was confoosed.

that box is exactly what i have needed. awsome. imho the info here should be renamed MIDI TOPIC and become a sticky =]

Good stuff

 

[again with this]

Gainfreak upon further reserch, I think the Amp gizmo is probably the way I want to go for the switching.

Now... How about that A/B/Y? What's good?