A Bar Owner's Craigslist Post

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I saw this somewhere else and thought it would be a cool topic for discussion here. It was posted by a Tampa bar owner on CL but has since been removed.

A bar, that is, an establishment that earns its revenue primarily from selling alcoholic beverages, measures its success by the ounce and the accounting is done everyday because we mostly live on the edge. So we spend our time trying to figure out how to sell more ounces. It's not just how many people are in the house or how great the atmosphere is (that's certainly important), but how many drinks, preferably premium, we sell in a day. That's it.

Live music is important to most of us (if we have that kind of venue). But it is a significant expense and is only worthwhile if it produces more than it consumes, just like advertising and anything else we spend money on in order to sell more ounces. But so many of the bands that come through here have no clue what their job is. Your job is to sell booze. You're not here for any other reason.

There are some truly awful bands that actually chase customers away. But there are also some bands I would call mediocre who do a fantastic job of selling my product. There are also some really good bands who rock the house but not the cash drawer. While I appreciate good music and would never have an interest listening to that mediocre band's lame CD, they're coming back next week. Here's why:

1. They play simple music people recognize. People don't dance to brilliant guitar solos or heady changes, they dance to the hook lyrics of a simple chorus. (If you've ever wondered why pop is popular, that's why). When the ladies want to dance, the guys show up and everybody drinks. Simple truth.

2. They don't ask me for drinks, they ask my customers. This is a subtle art and if it's done well, the band can more than pay for itself. Here's a few obvious techniques: If someone offers to buy the band a round, you order shots of top-shelf. Even if you don't drink it, ask for it anyway. If someone asks for a request, try to make a deal with them. If you buy (your date, your table, the band) a round, we'll play your song. Some bands beg for tips, and that's fine, but it's not what I'm paying you for. (Try to play request anyway. At least you wont chase them off.) We had one front man hold up a mixed drink and make a wonderfully cheesy but impassioned pitch that you simply had to try this because it was, as he put it, "a glass of pure happiness". It resulted in over a hundred bucks in the drawer in just a few minutes. Those guys are busy.

3. They may not be the best band in town but they look and act professional. I cringe when I see a supposedly professional band wearing frayed khaki shorts, flip flops, mildly offensive t-shirts and greasy baseball caps (the standard bro uniform). I don't care if you're bald, a baseball cap is unacceptable. Live music is a visual form of entertainment. If you dress well, even if it's hipster, funky, weird or flamboyant, as long as you look like you care about your appearance, and show a little self respect, you'll go over better with my customers. The good bands also respect their gig and the customers. They show up on time, they don't make a racket while they setup (hint: keep your drummer quiet especially when the jukebox is on.), they choose their set list carefully, they pace their sets well and stay engaged with the audience (don't stop playing if the dance floor is full), they don't get hammered and and they don't leave a mess. All this adds up to what we call retention. Customers don't leave. You would be surprised how many customers leave because of the band. And it's usually not because the band is awful, but because it's too loud, it's the wrong repertoire, it's rude and dismissive, it's not engaged and basically no fun for anyone else but themselves. And here's a little tip: Your continued employment is directly dependent on my bartender's opinion of you. That's probably true for every single bar you play.

One last thing. It's hard to find work. You might be surprised at how much competition you have. I get emails, voicemails, regular mail, fed-ex packages left for me, all with earnestly concocted press kits and demos and I ignore almost all of it. I get walk-ins who, if I'm there, I'll give a few minutes to. Again, you'd be surprised how many show up in their bro-clothes, tell me how awesome they are, and hand me a business card with a URL to their reverb nation page or YouTube channel. They probably go home and wonder why they don't get a call, but I'm not going to visit your website or listen to your demo. You've got maybe 60 seconds to make your "elevator pitch" and just a few more minutes to make it stick. There is a sales technique I'm seeing that's impressive, stands out and really works, but out of respect for the bands that figured it out, call it a trade secret.

Bottom line: A bar is a business. My bar is my business, my life, my success or failure. What I do in my business is entirely up to me because the risk is entirely mine. If I have a jam night, an open mic, solos, duos, bands, karaoke, or just a jukebox, that's up to me and no one else. Whatever helps make the most revenue. I have great respect for working musicians and would rather not hire them at all than to short-change them.

The open mic and jams that seem to get so much criticism here are not about me getting free entertainment, they are about bringing in paying customers and keeping them here. People who play and sing, but not in a professional band, like to get out, get a little stage time, have some fun, bring their friends and I offer them the place to do it. And yes, these nights are pretty good for the bottom line. If having bands was better, I'd have bands every night. It's just reality, man.
 
Agree completely. The hard core wankery turns into a sausage feet.

People want to have fun. They may even want to slow dance and rub up on that special someone.

Talking to friends out in the real world, not the forum world, people love Nickelback. Metallica too, even the new stuff.

Playing some 'great progressive jazz' will clear a room faster than a dog fart.
 
Heritage Softail":3hhqzo63 said:
Agree completely. The hard core wankery turns into a sausage feet.

People want to have fun. They may even want to slow dance and rub up on that special someone.

Talking to friends out in the real world, not the forum world, people love Nickelback. Metallica too, even the new stuff.

Playing some 'great progressive jazz' will clear a room faster than a dog fart.

I love to solo. I practice scales at home more often than I write songs or attempt to come up with riffs. One thing however has always been clear to me.

If they can't dance to it then what does it matter?

I love seeing my favorite bands do a free form jam or pull some obscurity out of left field (JPP with Bright Light Fright) but when it comes time for the guitar/drum/bass solo that lasts upwards of fifteen minuets, I'd rather not be there.
 
One of the last comments I heard from a patron.....play something I can get laid to!
 
Not a huge revelation if your a "Bar" band. If I had a bar no duh I'd book a good looking, good playing covers band.

That's why the bands I have or are in play clubs, not bars with original music. I'm not interested in playing covers, "If" the bar books an original band, they'll have to deal with original music. This dudes complaining about shit he's in control of. :confused:
 
I hate bars.

Er, let me rephrase that...

I hate places and events that rely on alcohol or other substances to make them "entertaining".

The letter is straight up fact, but it's just so lame at the same time. I mean, I "get it", I understand where this guy is coming from. I suppose my beef with it is, if this cat is writing from a bar that uses music as a draw and entertainment, great - we all know the bottle is the business - so tell us something we don't know and don't write in a semi-condescending fashion about how hard or challenging it is to stay afloat and make a living if a bar is your gig. If it's too much, GTFO and start up another gig. Musicians, for the most part, have a harder time making their dollars than passively pouring shots for 5x the cost of said shot.

Ah, whatever...I'm jaded when it comes to bars.
 
Funny, I am really just entering the world of house band cover tunes. I went into a bar I worked at a few years ago for like 5-6 years and spoke to the new guy who'd been handling the talent. He said he'd have to see us first. I thought that was a bit on the lame/controlling side, and I was initially a bit angry about getting the stiff-arm. It's a dive bar, btw. But, I can totally appreciate where he's coming from. He's trying to elevate the level of action in his little part of the world, and do a good job for the owners. There's nothing wrong with wanting to have your establishment be known for being a destination, rather than the only place to go when all the good spots are sucking balls. I was thinking I might try and go around him to talk to the owners, but I think I'll just let him come to a gig and watch us kill it all night instead.
 
This is certainly not anything new to those who play in cover bands or the bar scene. Something that people should realize though, is that if you think that the live music scene is in shambles it's because we've been catering to the least common denominator for so long doing this kind of stuff, that anything above it is completely disregarded. I think it's fucked up that ingenuity in music has become looked down upon because people can't dance to it. If you go to anywhere else in the world there is a lot of national music that is engaging and completely nonstandard. People in Turkey dance to songs in 15/16, people in the US don't know what a shuffle is.
 
I agree with the most part of that. That being said, if the bar owners that are interested in having the bands that pull the crowds in the bar so the band can help sell drinks, then they should take some of those earnings to help advertise for said bands. Also ,they need bartenders that are there working and promoting and pushing the drinks as well instead of drinking as much as the customers do. I loathe the typical bar guys that want the band to do all the work, while the reap all the benefits.
 
Maybe his drinks suck.....blame it on the band. Sounds like he should just hire a DJ and quit moaning.

Whoa, got to go press my suit for this weekend's gigs. Not sure what he's on about with player attire. Maybe he needs to get out more.
 
steve_k":1che5298 said:
Maybe his drinks suck.....blame it on the band. Sounds like he should just hire a DJ and quit moaning.

Whoa, got to go press my suit for this weekend's gigs. Not sure what he's on about with player attire. Maybe he needs to get out more.
After reading it again, I have to say I agree.
 
Jeff Hilligan":1sh72zi9 said:
One of the last comments I heard from a patron.....play something I can get laid to!

Play some Rob Zombie. Stripper Metal.

:rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Heritage Softail":1fc797ek said:
Jeff Hilligan":1fc797ek said:
One of the last comments I heard from a patron.....play something I can get laid to!

Play some Rob Zombie. Stripper Metal.

:rock: :rock: :rock:

I support single mom's..... :D
 
The only places I ever played (or was interested in playing) were original rock/metal clubs and I guarantee they were selling an unbelievable quantity of drinks to people who weren't dancing at all. I never was interested in playing covers to sell drinks. I get the bar owner's point, I just would not be interested in participating as a musician. If you are, ya gotta deal with his reality...

But really, genre based bars/clubs you wouldn't have this problem. If you play blues or jazz clubs/bars, his points aren't as relevant...

Steve
 
After reading this....I had to laugh... :lol: :LOL:
Thank god I play music for my own greedy personal fun and laughs. :yes:
If i had to to do it to make someone else happy or a paycheck....I would be miserable....and everyone would starve in my family. ;)
Yeah....if I REALLY REALLY wanted....I could learn a full set.....but nah...I have a day job already.
God bless you guys who play for everyone else!! :thumbsup:
 
While I agree with some of his points (and love to know this secret selling technique he won't give up) and I know the scene has changed a lot over the years, but I was in a Genesis Tribute band in the 80's and early 90's and no one danced...or cared...we drew very big crowds with tons of chicks and lots and lots of top shelf liquer was sold. I always asked when i got paid by the club owner and they always commented on how well our crowd drank, and not drafts but the good stuff ($$$) and they always had a really good bar at nights end because of it. There's a narrow view as to what constitutes entertainment especially in bar owners eyes these days. And if you don't draw they wont have you back, but if you cant play you dont develope a draw, and so on and so on. Vicious cycle, and for the most part most of the bands around here sound the same and play all the same stuff.
 
sah5150":22j0som7 said:
The only places I ever played (or was interested in playing) were original rock/metal clubs and I guarantee they were selling an unbelievable quantity of drinks to people who weren't dancing at all. I

Steve

That was a long time ago...in a land far away.....I miss it too.. :D
 
Screw that "let THEM buy you a drink" attitude!

I wanna see titties!! :yes: :lol: :LOL:
 
kurtsstuff":1okoetws said:
sah5150":1okoetws said:
The only places I ever played (or was interested in playing) were original rock/metal clubs and I guarantee they were selling an unbelievable quantity of drinks to people who weren't dancing at all. I

Steve

That was a long time ago...in a land far away.....I miss it too.. :D
Yup!

Steve
 
rokket2005":2js11m0i said:
This is certainly not anything new to those who play in cover bands or the bar scene.
With all due respect, I think it really is news to a lot of bands. I have seen so many of the exact crap he's describing - bands wearing shorts and ball caps, ignoring the crowd, taking a set break when the dance floor is rocking, playing too many obscure songs, no stage presence, etc. I think the guy's letter is pretty much perfectly written. He wants bands - he just wants them to do the job that he pays them for. Way too many bands think it's all about them, their awesome tone, or that great solo they're playing.

rokket2005":2js11m0i said:
Something that people should realize though, is that if you think that the live music scene is in shambles it's because we've been catering to the least common denominator for so long doing this kind of stuff, that anything above it is completely disregarded. I think it's fucked up that ingenuity in music has become looked down upon because people can't dance to it. If you go to anywhere else in the world there is a lot of national music that is engaging and completely nonstandard. People in Turkey dance to songs in 15/16, people in the US don't know what a shuffle is.

I agree with you here. Basically, a band needs to create a party atmosphere when they are playing. You can't be a shoegazer and do that. Talk to the crowd between every song. Turn the gig into an experience for the crowd. That's how you make new fans - make the average bar patron have a good time and want to come back to see you. And to everyone who has ever been told to turn down, that NEVER happens when you have a party going. I've played twice our normal volume at some gigs (when the dance floor was crammed full of drunk partiers), and the owner and bartender didn't say a thing to us. Because they were too busy pouring drinks and ringing the cash register to care about volume.

I remember back in the 80s. When we were deciding which club to go to, we found out what band was playing and decided based on that. Nobody does that anymore. There are several reasons for that, but for the most part, people go to the bar nearest their house and roll the dice on the band. The clubs have a rotating stable of good bands, but there are always new bands being added, and you always run the risk of hearing some group of mid 50's hobbyists playing blooze in their Hawaiian shirts.
 
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