I don't think it's really up for debate, but of course everyone that fought in the war would like to consider themselves the decisive factor. It is indisputable that Russia suffered the most casualties, both civilian and military.
I think this is turned into a meme or "conspiracy" theory, but most folks do not really understand that the US is supporting and siding with the Nazi contingent in Ukraine since the 1940's. And the US, as noted, also imported Nazi scientists and tech after the war. The US has in some ways assumed the Nazi movement, or at least closely allied themselves with it in the fight against Russia. It's ironic given the continual howling and hand-wringing about Nazis and "Far-right" extremism here in the US and Europe.
Most casualties doesn't equate to "Won the war". Without US intervention the Nazis very well could have taken Russia out of the equation. It's also not news that the country that was invaded suffered more casualties than a country halfway around the world who sent troops to their aid.
I think it's rich to hear the Russians or should I say Soviets, to accuse Ukraine of being overrun by nazis. The differences between Soviet communism and nazi-ism were miniscule. And after 1945 the only government in Europe that ruled with a dictatorship was The Soviet Union and it's puppet governments in Eastern Europe.
Muhamed Ali could have beaten Joe Frazier if he was brought in as sub in the 15th round for someone else who had already fought 14 rounds.
Stupid analogy and one that is extremely insulting to tens of thousands of families of American casualties of a war we didn't have to fight. No one was stupid enough to invade our country.
Saying the US "won the war" is insulting to all the allied soldiers that fought before and after the US joined the war (after they were attacked in Pearl Harbor - so not to actually help out the goodness of their own heart anyway). The correct thing to say is "the allies won the war".
Okay let me rephrase it then. If the US had not entered the war, Europe would be called Deutschland right now. Better ?
Ironically we might have kept our cultures had they won.
Won't argue with that.
Did you read the articles I posted? They’re not exactly Russia friendly outlets.
There was a scramble at the close of the war to take territory in Germany to balance out the Russian's grab. Russia was certainly an equal partner in their defeat. However, Russia then became guilty of everything Germany had done before it and seized Eastern Europe. Russia are complete and utter c^#ts. I hate them and everything they stand for.
Many of us feel the same way about that fraud Zelensky. A prop installed to charm the low IQ masses.
More importantly they are not US friendly outlets.
Yes they are — Wapo and Vox are like right behind Nytimes as premier mouthpieces for the regime. But they’d probably disavow those articles now anyways ?
