Alnico is dead

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I'm not too well-versed on alnico/ceramic differences, but I did have a Billy and Becky Lawrence that I purchased shortly before he died. Sick freaking pickup, but it came in a housing that was way too deep.

I stuck it in an Ibanez Prestige after some hack gouged the wood out badly without using a planar, but it sounded freaking excellent, so I didn't mind.

These are the recordings I did from 13 years ago:

L500XL in bridge


L500R in neck

bill was a pickup technology supercomputer. he used to ask how you intended to use his pickups and then send hand drawn wiring diagrams on graph paper when he sold you his stuff.

he was the guy who convinced me that ceramic pickups weren’t of the devil🤣
 
bill was a pickup technology supercomputer. he used to ask how you intended to use his pickups and then send hand drawn wiring diagrams on graph paper when he sold you his stuff.

he was the guy who convinced me that ceramic pickups weren’t of the devil🤣

I had the fortune of speaking to him about what I was looking for from the pups before his death. Seemed like a nice guy, he passed away shortly after I received them. Kind of sad that he lost control of his name and pups.

Wouldn't buy from the other company. Dude was the real deal.
 
Alnico V and VIII magnet pickups are great for metal.
Alnico speaker magnets are usually used in low power settings lawyer & hipster stuff.
Hard to beat a high powered ceramic magnet speaker for guitar.
Alnico 9 is pretty good too. All else being the same, to my ears an A9 is like a blend of an A8 and ceramic.

A good while ago I did a magnet swap experiment on a set of Ibanez Infinity pickups I had laying around. I dug up what I wrote for results about the bridge pickup. Obviously there's more to things than just the magnet. There's wire gauge, number of windings, slug/bar, overall design, etc. to take into account. The INF pickups I believed were designed to be like a jack of all trades to cover cleans to high gain. So results may not hold true across every pickup, but it's a pretty decent general place to start.

The EQ is quantified on a scale of 1 to 10 with 5 being the midpoint having no boost or cut based on my perception. Output is based on a comparison between each magnet, but no hard numbers just my perception.

Alnico 2 - Low=5.5, Mid=7, High=5.5, Output=Moderate. Really nice mids, lows are pretty tight and rounded highs. It gives the pickup a really nice crunch tone with a lower vintage output. It reminds me of a PAF style pickup. Overall I say it's a good fit for that crunchy classic rock rhythm sound.

Alnico 3 - Low=5.5, Mid=6, High=6, Output=Moderate. Similar to the Alnico 2 in output. It has about the same low end as the A2 but with a little less mids and a bit more highs. It's also somewhat comparable to a ceramic magnet but with less output. This I think would work well for playing classic rock lead guitar.

Alnico 4 - Low=5, Mid=5, High=5, Output=High. This one seemed to be pretty flat across the board, no real boost or cut in any of the frequencies. Has more output than the A2 or A3 but not quite as much as the A8. Not quite sure of the best application for this one, maybe if you have a really nice amp and want to shape your tone with that instead of the pickup

Alnico 5 - Low=7, Mid=3.5, High=7, Output=Moderate. This one's the stock magnet and overall sounds kind of blah. It does have that scooped mids metal tone but just doesn't have the drive behind it to really be used for heavy metal. The output is more vintage and the tone is more metal and they just don't work well together.

Un-oriented Alnico 5 - Low=7, Mid=3.5, High=7, Output=High. If you're going for that scooped mids, high output metal tone this is where it's at. It has the same EQ as the stock A5 magnet and has the drive behind it to make it perfect for that chunky heavy metal rhythm sound.

Alnico 6 - Low=7, Mid=5.5, High=5.5, Output=High. I found this one to be kind of dark, not quite in the mud category but it's at least pulling into the driveway. The output Is good, similar to the A4 and UOA5. Still haven't figured out a good application for this one, maybe black metal. Actually it reminds me of if you put a bridge pickup in the neck position.

Alnico 8 - Low=6, Mid=7, High=6, Output=High. This one is an Alnico 2 on steroids. Great mids, tight bass & rounded highs. The tone is very similar to the A2 but with more modern/high output. It turns the INF2 pickup into a real beast. This would be perfect for those chunky heavy metal rhythm riffs. By far this one is my favorite.

Alnico 9 - Low=6, Mid=7, High=7, Output=High. I'd call this one a cross between the Alnico 8 & ceramic magnets. It has the low and mid response of the Alnico 8 along with the output combined with the nice highs of the ceramic. I think this would be perfect for balls to the walls high gain metal shredding.

Ceramic - Low=6, Mid=5, High=7, Output=High. Nice and bright with tight lows and moderate mids but not scooped mids. It keeps its articulation with high gain. The output is high but not as high as the stronger Alnico 8 or 9 magnets. It's your typical high gain lead sound but will also work well for rhythm.
 
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fwiw, all of the humbuckers that i've gravitated to over the years have been Alnico 5's. i never seeked them out for the type of magnet, its just the way it worked out. I have tone zones in both of my guitars and i've been happy with those for a pretty long time now.
i always found ceramics to be just a little too much, but my pick attack on the heavy side, so maybe thats why.
 
I really like pickups that are Alnico 5's I find a lot of the ceramic mag pickups I've tried the mid and top end seems harsh and unpleasant.
 
I much preferred the EMG85 alnico over the 81 ceramic.

For passives, it really just depends on the pickup design. Some alnicos can sound boring, others can sound amazing. Ceramic can sound harsh or can sound nicely nasty.
 
Alnico 9 is pretty good too. All else being the same, to my ears an A9 is like a blend of an A8 and ceramic.
Nice to see some love for the A9. Though i would characterize it differently compared to the A8. While A8 is lows and low-mid heavy, A9 is the opposite, tight low end and a lot of grinding high mids. The only two Alnicos suitable for Metal-Bridge PUs imo. Though best combined with Ceramic boost magnets on the sides.
A6 seems to me like an A8 better suited for neck PUs.
 
It depends on the pickup in my opinion. I’ve done a lot of mag swaps. The Bare Knuckle Alnico BlackHawk is a great metal pickup, the Alnico Nailbomb in the right guitar is epic. I would agree though, in most cases Ceramic will be better suited for metal but again it depends what kind of metal and what guitar, etc.
 
I remember in the Bill & Becky forum someone asked about magnets. Bill (himself or the staff, i'm not sure) answered he wasn't happy anymore with the ceramic supplier and the ceramic quality in the market, so redesigned the pickups for alnico.
 
I remember in the Bill & Becky forum someone asked about magnets. Bill (himself or the staff, i'm not sure) answered he wasn't happy anymore with the ceramic supplier and the ceramic quality in the market, so redesigned the pickups for alnico.
Wow, never heard that before. Knowledge is power!
 
Crazy how much the differences between pickups kinda disappear in a recording. Those don’t sound too different there but I have both and they sound feel so very different when you’re the one playing the guitar.

I also prefer the B&B over the Bill Lawrence USA model.

I asked Google AI about the magnet switch and got this info:

Bill Lawrence himself made the decision to switch the L500 series to Alnico 5 magnets.

While ceramic was the original 1979 design, the transition to Alnico 5 began as early as 2005 under Bill’s direction.

Key Timeline of the Magnet Switch:
  • Original 1979 Design: Bill originally used ceramic magnets for the L500 to achieve high output and clarity for the high-gain styles emerging at the time.
  • The 2005 Switch: Due to the unavailability of the specific ceramic magnets he required, Bill redesigned the circuit to use Alnico 5 magnets.
  • Bill's Design Philosophy: Bill famously stated that a magnet has no "sound" on its own; it is just a source for a magnetic field. When he switched to Alnico 5, he adjusted the pickup's other parameters (like turns and inductance) to ensure it delivered the exact same performance as the ceramic original.
  • Wilde Pickups Era: When Bill and Becky founded Wilde Pickups, this "new circuit" with Alnico 5 became the standard for their L500
  • Becky and Shannon have continued this production method since Bill's passing in 2013, maintaining the Alnico 5 specs he established.
 
  • Bill's Design Philosophy: Bill famously stated that a magnet has no "sound" on its own; it is just a source for a magnetic field. When he switched to Alnico 5, he adjusted the pickup's other parameters (like turns and inductance) to ensure it delivered the exact same performance as the ceramic original.

This. ^^^

It's the magnetic field that matters, not what material that's producing it. Different materials create fields that differ in shape and strength, but other things influence this as well, such as baseplates, pole pieces, even the shielding or lack thereof. All of that works together along with the wiring, pots, caps and resistors (if used), to shape the resonant peak and frequency response. And that's without taking into account the guitar itself, the amp, the speakers, or the player's technique.

When I've swapped magnets, what I've really been hearing is the difference in the magnetic field. Other aspects of the pickup could be redesigned to account for differences in that field. That sounds like what Bill was doing.
 
This. ^^^

It's the magnetic field that matters, not what material that's producing it. Different materials create fields that differ in shape and strength, but other things influence this as well, such as baseplates, pole pieces, even the shielding or lack thereof. All of that works together along with the wiring, pots, caps and resistors (if used), to shape the resonant peak and frequency response. And that's without taking into account the guitar itself, the amp, the speakers, or the player's technique.

When I've swapped magnets, what I've really been hearing is the difference in the magnetic field. Other aspects of the pickup could be redesigned to account for differences in that field. That sounds like what Bill was doing.

Yep. Steve Blucher of DiMarzio is also a master of that fine art.
 
My two favorite pickups are the Duncan Distortion and EMG-81. So ya, I tend to agree with you. But there are a few alnico pickups I like.
 
I fear a parting of the waters....

I prefer Alnico, and have been realising lately that lower output is maybe better for bigger tone. Wierd huh...
 
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