Amazed by a new gemini.. build shots, Way cool design.

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bulletproof_funk":34aow3j1 said:
OP: congrats on the Gemini and welcome to the Rhodes club! :rock: BTW what speakers/cab are you using?

Kyle, nice gut shot pics, very cleanly done layout!

So far a matchless 2x12 for classic rock and blues, an engager OS 2x12 with classic 80s, will be using old slant front Marshall 4x12 gt75's.

Planning to get a little Mesa 2x12 v30 cab.

May put some scumbacks in the Egnater OS cab. It is not inspiring stock.
 
That's a damn nice looking amp!

So what's the 411 on the Gemini?

Is it only for metal players? Are these amps voiced more Marshall-like (high-mid emphasis) or more Bogner-like (low-mid emphasis)?
 
Love it. Great looking build. Would love to check on out some day.
 
Ventura":1gpqdhhn said:
Uh oh... I'm doing that "thing" where I start telling myself I would be a better player, more complete, happier, if I had one of these amps :scared:


Ask Cliff to add a Rhodes amp sim to the Axe-Fx II - Problem solved. :D
 
:rock: :rock:
Congrats man, I know you have been drooling while waiting for it to come home :yes:
Sounds like it was worth the wait! :thumbsup:
Very cool the clean is so good, I had no doubt the gain tones were gonna be stellar :yes:
HNAD!
 
NaturalBornBoy":31b5xpst said:
That's a damn nice looking amp!

So what's the 411 on the Gemini?

Is it only for metal players? Are these amps voiced more Marshall-like (high-mid emphasis) or more Bogner-like (low-mid emphasis)?

Absolutely not. The best clean channel in a high gain amp I have found. V1 is for the clean channel only, so you can put a great clean tube in it, then the other slots for high gain preamp tubes.

Freak of an amp. That good. What the MKV was shooting for and then some.
 
Heritage Softail":er7gciei said:
NaturalBornBoy":er7gciei said:
That's a damn nice looking amp!

So what's the 411 on the Gemini?

Is it only for metal players? Are these amps voiced more Marshall-like (high-mid emphasis) or more Bogner-like (low-mid emphasis)?

Absolutely not. The best clean channel in a high gain amp I have found. V1 is for the clean channel only, so you can put a great clean tube in it, then the other slots for high gain preamp tubes.

Freak of an amp. That good. What the MKV was shooting for and then some.

So should someone looking for something within the Marshall realm of tone, stay away from the Gemini?
 
NaturalBornBoy":1lx43zq3 said:
Heritage Softail":1lx43zq3 said:
NaturalBornBoy":1lx43zq3 said:
That's a damn nice looking amp!

So what's the 411 on the Gemini?

Is it only for metal players? Are these amps voiced more Marshall-like (high-mid emphasis) or more Bogner-like (low-mid emphasis)?

Absolutely not. The best clean channel in a high gain amp I have found. V1 is for the clean channel only, so you can put a great clean tube in it, then the other slots for high gain preamp tubes.

Freak of an amp. That good. What the MKV was shooting for and then some.

So should someone looking for something within the Marshall realm of tone, stay away from the Gemini?

I would not say firmly either way yet. I am leaning toward yes.

I hate hype masters of new gear... At this point I have sat and done a run thru with an old LP and a few dirt pedals I used to boost my various Marshalls. I used an OCD on the clean channel for curiosity. It is close. Very close. But there are midi controlled tone shaping switches with multiple layers of effect, bright, fat, gain mode. So there are more ways to get that tone. For greasy feeling DSL gain? The crunch mode has it. The LP giving up all the creamy Marshall goodness. The lower gain setting had your guns and roses tone. The Collosus lead channel is in there too. There are two gain levels that cascade. You can actually lower and tighten the gain feel on gain 2 if you want. Kyle was explaining that to me over the phone.

I am going to try and get my shit together to record something this weekend. I need to do some clips of my JVM410 I no longer need.

In time more Gemini clips for lower gain will get out. I will do some for sure. Something with simple chords and runs so you hear the amp tone. Admittedly it is still a honeymoon phase, but having owned an SLO, 5153, MKV, Rivera KT, Twin Jet, MKIIC, I feel like I have seen a few great amps. The Gemini is a great amp. Just gets down to your flavor of gain. It is close enough to anything in a DSL or JVM for me to sell one. I will probably keep the DSL as a wet amp or one to leave at a jam space.

Keep in mind the amp can be easily switched out to EL34 tubes for more bark. Mine has 6L6 tubes now. I will probably switch out power tubes after a month of learning the amp.

Good luck on the tone quest.
 
Heritage Softail":71looubk said:
NaturalBornBoy":71looubk said:
So should someone looking for something within the Marshall realm of tone, stay away from the Gemini?

I would not say firmly either way yet. I am leaning toward yes.

I hate hype masters of new gear... At this point I have sat and done a run thru with an old LP and a few dirt pedals I used to boost my various Marshalls. I used an OCD on the clean channel for curiosity. It is close. Very close. But there are midi controlled tone shaping switches with multiple layers of effect, bright, fat, gain mode. So there are more ways to get that tone. For greasy feeling DSL gain? The crunch mode has it. The LP giving up all the creamy Marshall goodness. The lower gain setting had your guns and roses tone. The Collosus lead channel is in there too. There are two gain levels that cascade. You can actually lower and tighten the gain feel on gain 2 if you want. Kyle was explaining that to me over the phone.

I am going to try and get my shit together to record something this weekend. I need to do some clips of my JVM410 I no longer need.

In time more Gemini clips for lower gain will get out. I will do some for sure. Something with simple chords and runs so you hear the amp tone. Admittedly it is still a honeymoon phase, but having owned an SLO, 5153, MKV, Rivera KT, Twin Jet, MKIIC, I feel like I have seen a few great amps. The Gemini is a great amp. Just gets down to your flavor of gain. It is close enough to anything in a DSL or JVM for me to sell one. I will probably keep the DSL as a wet amp or one to leave at a jam space.

Keep in mind the amp can be easily switched out to EL34 tubes for more bark. Mine has 6L6 tubes now. I will probably switch out power tubes after a month of learning the amp.

Good luck on the tone quest.

Thanks for being straight up with me, dude :thumbsup:

Right now, I'm using a DSL on Lead 2, boosted with a Majik Box Rocket Fuel and I love what I'm hearing. I'm just looking for an amp that can give me that tone, without needing a boost pedal.

I guess at the end of the day, if I want that sig Marshall tone, I should STFU and get a fucking Marshall :D
 
NaturalBornBoy":2buwmko3 said:
That's a damn nice looking amp!

So what's the 411 on the Gemini?

Is it only for metal players? Are these amps voiced more Marshall-like (high-mid emphasis) or more Bogner-like (low-mid emphasis)?

I should probably post a bit about the features of the amp since it's not your typical design. :D

The Lead channel has four switches used to tweak / adjust the character of the channel -- Mode, Fat, Voice, Bright. Each are switchable on the front panel, via MIDI CC, via preset recalled by MIDI PC, or via the custom foot switch which can control things directly and/or store presets.

The Mode switch essentially dials in the character of the distortion and there are 4 levels. Mode 1 (LED off) is a more vintage sounding 4 gain stage circuit. It sounds good in the entire Gain knob range, and is a bit looser and more forgiving. Mode 2 (LED blue) adds a more modern response/attack and increases the gain a bit. Mode 3 (LED violet) adds a 5th gain stage with a boost/cut level controlled by the Gain 2 knob. This mode allows you to dial in massive high-gain rhythm tones, or even cut the gain leaving a bit more aggression / complexity to the sound. Mode 4 (LED red) is the highest gain mode. It can be dialed in to stoner/sludge rhythm territory with no boost pedal, or give you a fantastic liquid, flowing sustaining lead tone (my personal favorite).

The Fat switch alters the response / feel of the channel, and adds some lows as you move up the 4 levels. Fat 1 (LED off) is the tightest, most modern setting. Fat 2 (LED green) adds harmonic content, thickness, and a bit of 'bounce' to the fret board. Fat 3 (LED blue) adds a low frequency bump to thicken up the sound a bit. Fat 4 (LED cyan) is, simply put, huge sounding.

The Voice switch gives you access to 3 distinct voices. The highest-mid voice (Voice LED Off) is essentially the Colossus Lead 1 channel with the Andy Wood Voice mod switch engaged. (If you also engage Fat to Blue, this is his rhythm sound we came up with.) The normal-mid voice (Voice LED Green) is Colossus Lead 1, and is a great all-around voicing for rhythms and lead work that cuts a bit more, with a bit more pick-attack. And the low-mid voice (Voice LED Orange) is Colossus Lead 2, and my preference for solo work, and certain rhythm stuff.

The Bright switch has just two levels. It adds bite and attack to any of the voicings, and affects each of the Modes a bit differently depending on the Gain settings.

With these 4 switches you end up with 96 possible combinations of tones all recall-able instantly.

Now, to add to the mix, there's also a Crunch 'personality' built-in to the Lead channel. This is something I added actually as a result of talking with Joe (the OP). He wanted access to a definite classic tone. And while the Lead channel might do the job dialed back a bit, I figured I'd just give him access to a circuit already in the amp anyway. With a bit more routing I could use the boost circuit that handles Modes 3 and 4 with Gain 2, and make it into a 3 gain stage classic (Marshall if you will) style circuit. It's my take on a mid-gain tone, and very similar to the Crunch channel in the Colossus.

The EQ and Level controls are shared with the Lead channel, as well as Gain 2. The Lead Gain knob is not used in Crunch. You still have Mode/Fat/Voice/Bright, and they retain their settings as you flip back and forth between Lead/Crunch, just like you'd expect. Mode has just two settings, and it works like hitting an old Marshall with an overdrive pedal. It's still 3 gain stages, but hot-rodded on-the-fly. Fat works as well, but with just two levels. Voice works just like in Lead so you end up with the same three distinct voice settings. Bright does what you'd expect as well.

If you're still reading, I should also mention the Clean channel has similar tweaking options, though no Mode, and just two settings each of Fat/Voice/Bright. Fat Off is great for taming bass on humbuckers, and Fan On sounds great to thicken up single coils. Voice On pushes the mids and gives you a different character / feeling. Bright does what you'd expect. :)

As for the master section -- the effects loop is completely bypassable (the entire tube buffer is removed from the circuit), there are dual Master Volumes, and a Mute function for tuning. Of course, all that is accessible via MIDI and such. I'm a computer engineer so I don't believe in interface limitations. :lol: :LOL:
 
NaturalBornBoy":3utqvfu9 said:
Heritage Softail":3utqvfu9 said:
NaturalBornBoy":3utqvfu9 said:
So should someone looking for something within the Marshall realm of tone, stay away from the Gemini?

I would not say firmly either way yet. I am leaning toward yes.

I hate hype masters of new gear... At this point I have sat and done a run thru with an old LP and a few dirt pedals I used to boost my various Marshalls. I used an OCD on the clean channel for curiosity. It is close. Very close. But there are midi controlled tone shaping switches with multiple layers of effect, bright, fat, gain mode. So there are more ways to get that tone. For greasy feeling DSL gain? The crunch mode has it. The LP giving up all the creamy Marshall goodness. The lower gain setting had your guns and roses tone. The Collosus lead channel is in there too. There are two gain levels that cascade. You can actually lower and tighten the gain feel on gain 2 if you want. Kyle was explaining that to me over the phone.

I am going to try and get my shit together to record something this weekend. I need to do some clips of my JVM410 I no longer need.

In time more Gemini clips for lower gain will get out. I will do some for sure. Something with simple chords and runs so you hear the amp tone. Admittedly it is still a honeymoon phase, but having owned an SLO, 5153, MKV, Rivera KT, Twin Jet, MKIIC, I feel like I have seen a few great amps. The Gemini is a great amp. Just gets down to your flavor of gain. It is close enough to anything in a DSL or JVM for me to sell one. I will probably keep the DSL as a wet amp or one to leave at a jam space.

Keep in mind the amp can be easily switched out to EL34 tubes for more bark. Mine has 6L6 tubes now. I will probably switch out power tubes after a month of learning the amp.

Good luck on the tone quest.

Thanks for being straight up with me, dude :thumbsup:

Right now, I'm using a DSL on Lead 2, boosted with a Majik Box Rocket Fuel and I love what I'm hearing. I'm just looking for an amp that can give me that tone, without needing a boost pedal.

I guess at the end of the day, if I want that sig Marshall tone, I should STFU and get a fucking Marshall :D

Maybe my ideas got jumbled in the long reply.

I am selling my JVM410. Everything it can do gets done by the Gemini. I am keeping my DSL100 because it is a great wet amp, and cheap enough I can leave it at a buddy's house or practice space. To get the gnarly boosted Marshall tone flavored by the OCD, I did that on the Gemini in 5 minutes and got very close. My DSL has NOS tubes in the front and winged C power glass, EQ in the loop. It took a bit of tweaking to get the tone I wanted. On the Gemini I flipped the bright switch, dirty mode of the clean channel, OCD for similar voice and was 95% there.

The Marshall voice thing is so wide. Lots of dirt pedals and modded amps out there all are in the Marshall box. I like the old classic Cinderella crunch GNR. AC/DC. A wide spectrum. I have found a few in the Gemini in 3 days. Time and tweaking will tell on the rest.

Other new owners will have their ideas to share. So far so good. No regrets on this one.
 
Sounds good Kyle! So stoked!

Does this mean we are still on track for when you are in Ontario?

Thanks buddy!

C

protoplasma":gvul5gxk said:
DiezelMonster":gvul5gxk said:
This thread is killer too!

I guess when the time comes I'll have to start my own thread too!

lots of killer pics here!

C

Thanks dude. The sheet metal for your amp plus a ton of others is due in this week!
 
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