Analog Flangers, come inside...

[Ventura]

I'm adding a loop to my board, this loop is holding a Phase 90 (old as hell, beat to shit, but works well) and I'd like to include a flanger in this loop as well. I'm looking at the KISS rule, Keep It Simple Stupid, and don't need this to swell into a top-line boutique discussion of the Hartmans and the AD/A models and the like. Albeit, ya ya, I might just end up going that route.

Bottom line, who's using what for analog/true-bypass Flanger and Phaser and why? Keeping this analog, no need to get into the EVENTIDES or the like, got 'em, use 'em, this is for a different application. As well, low noise would be a plus

THANK YOU!!

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I've owned many flangers over the years and my favs are the original EH Electric Mistress (non-deluxe) and the trusty gray MXR Flanger. Neither one of them are true bypass though. I'm not sure if the newer EVH Flanger is TB, but that's where I would start (if you're looking for non-botique).

However, I've heard nothing but great things about the Hartman flanger. The HBE Frostbite flanger is supposed to be great as well...

 

[JakeAC5253]

my favs are the original EH Electric Mistress (non-deluxe) and the trusty gray MXR Flanger

Cool. Why not the Deluxe version?

 

[Gainzilla]

Im cool with the boss BF-2, does the LeTekro trick and while it doesnt nail Unchained, its close enough for me. as far as Phasers go, a regular old phase 90 is cool with me too...

 

[Ventura]

I've owned many flangers over the years and my favs are the original EH Electric Mistress (non-deluxe) and the trusty gray MXR Flanger. Neither one of them are true bypass though. I'm not sure if the newer EVH Flanger is TB, but that's where I would start (if you're looking for non-botique).

However, I've heard nothing but great things about the Hartman flanger. The HBE Frostbite flanger is supposed to be great as well...

I believe the MXR Micro-Flanger 1 knob unit is true-bypass and uses bucket-brigade technology... Interestingly enough, the EVH unit uses BBD as well, but the standard m117R version (the 4 button grey unit) doesn't employ BBD tech, although I do believe it is TB. Could be wrong, ever since Dunlop/MXR changed their website, it's impossible to get FACTUAL information.

Keep 'em coming, gents...

Mo

 

[JakeAC5253]

I've owned many flangers over the years and my favs are the original EH Electric Mistress (non-deluxe) and the trusty gray MXR Flanger. Neither one of them are true bypass though. I'm not sure if the newer EVH Flanger is TB, but that's where I would start (if you're looking for non-botique).

However, I've heard nothing but great things about the Hartman flanger. The HBE Frostbite flanger is supposed to be great as well...

I believe the MXR Micro-Flanger 1 knob unit is true-bypass and uses bucket-brigade technology... Interestingly enough, the EVH unit uses BBD as well, but the standard m117R version (the 4 button grey unit) doesn't employ BBD tech, although I do believe it is TB. Could be wrong, ever since Dunlop/MXR changed their website, it's impossible to get FACTUAL information.

Keep 'em coming, gents...

Mo

Be careful, because MXR/Dunlop have been known to call things True Bypass that are far from. The typical MXR stompbox bypass is hardwire bypass, which is potentially the most tone altering of all bypasses.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

my favs are the original EH Electric Mistress (non-deluxe) and the trusty gray MXR Flanger

Cool. Why not the Deluxe version?

I had one and disliked it...didn't sound nearly as good as the original Electric Mistress


This is the one I'm talking about BTW:

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

The EVH Flanger is cool because my settings are deferent from the Unchained, so then the Unchained buttom gives me two settings at the push of a button.


For me an MXR is a must have, so i'll live with the bypass.


The RI ADA isn't all that pricey and is pretty cool, think it might be True?

 

[chunktone]

I use a MXR flanger. Sounds great!

 

[Shark Diver]

I'm adding a loop to my board,

Be careful, because MXR/Dunlop have been known to call things True Bypass that are far from. The typical MXR stompbox bypass is hardwire bypass, which is potentially the most tone altering of all bypasses.

It shouldn't matter about TB if the loop is switchable. I like the original TC chorus/Flanger pedal.

 

[Greazygeo]

I like the ADA myself. The old grey MXR was ok, but I like the ADA for the extreme fx stuff.

 

[rupe]

Hard to beat the old BF-2 IMO. The old ADA units were cool too but I never needed the extreme settings that they offered...I haven't tried a reissue but I here they're close. I always found the old grey MXR to be too noisy (it sounded cool though).

 

[Ventura]

I'm adding a loop to my board,

Be careful, because MXR/Dunlop have been known to call things True Bypass that are far from. The typical MXR stompbox bypass is hardwire bypass, which is potentially the most tone altering of all bypasses.

It shouldn't matter about TB if the loop is switchable. I like the original TC chorus/Flanger pedal.

How can a hardwire bypass be tone altering if it's a hardwire bypass? I mean, should be a relay that slams into place, closing the circuit, and moving the signal forward. Buffers are just that, they add some signal boosting, sometimes an ADA processing. Hardwire is a hardlink. So I'm trying to figure out how this would be tone-altering.

Peace
Mo

PS - keep 'em coming gents...and Laura. I wanna get something sweet and unique.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I'm adding a loop to my board,

Be careful, because MXR/Dunlop have been known to call things True Bypass that are far from. The typical MXR stompbox bypass is hardwire bypass, which is potentially the most tone altering of all bypasses.

It shouldn't matter about TB if the loop is switchable. I like the original TC chorus/Flanger pedal.

How can a hardwire bypass be tone altering if it's a hardwire bypass? I mean, should be a relay that slams into place, closing the circuit, and moving the signal forward. Buffers are just that, they add some signal boosting, sometimes an ADA processing. Hardwire is a hardlink. So I'm trying to figure out how this would be tone-altering.

Peace
Mo

PS - keep 'em coming gents...and Laura. I wanna get something sweet and unique.

The far end of the circuit is left in parallel with the bypass tone. The hardwire bypass mechanism used by MXR detaches the input jack from the input of the circuit and switches it over to a rail which has both the jack and the circuit output in parallel. The output of the circuit siphons current which would otherwise pass to the jack and out of the pedal enclosure. The result is bad, dulled, spongy tone. Relatively speaking of course, speaking from the viewpoint that tonal coloring would be considered bad. Some people have made this into their signature tones though, so I guess it could be thought of as a means to a different end. It's still not your original tone though... but if you are using a looper then it shouldn't matter, as pointed out earlier.

 

[spirit7]

Strymon Orbit. Not analogue, but better! It absolutely kills mate - highly recommended!

-C

 

[tom_h]

I have the EVH, but I'm very interested in both the Hartman and Strymon flangers.

 

[lester]

Hartman. That's what I chose. But you may dig the Maxon FL-9 as well.

 

[Ventura]

Holy smokes, guys!! Awesome feedback... Thanks so much.

Mega props to JakeAC, thanks for that killer explanation - makes very very good sense. Very kind of you to take the time to sort that out.

As for the Hartman, I've heard it's not too over-the-top, more subtle than anything else. It's an option, but the AD/A is also an option as they're in the same price range. But again, I want a simple stomp in the loop with my Script 90, not too much tone suck - if any - and not noisy. I`ve heard the EM from EHX is pretty noisy. Whatever. Rather than obsess, I should just take FZ`s advice and shut up and play my geeetar.

Peace Y`all,
Mojo

 

[70strathead]

I use an original MXR phase and flange modded with tru-bypass. the flanger is pretty noisy but sounds great through cranked Marshall.. I also like the old BOSS BF-2 for the cleaner stuff. would love to get my hands on a vinatge ADA though..

 

[Ayrton]

I have an old BF-2 and the Ibanez Paul Gilbert.