Anatomy of a Pack - Chapter 17: Cameron Cartage

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What, no kevlar vest? :)

If I were to have an amp shipped I would greatly appreciate a pack job like this. Good cargo karma :thumbsup:
 
dainbramage0":3q1xu4f9 said:
If I were to have an amp shipped I would greatly appreciate a pack job like this. Good cargo karma :thumbsup:

Yeah, but I wouldn't need to ship you an amp, because you're right down the road! :lol: :LOL: I'm in T.O. as well! :rock:
 
rlord1974":o5izrhmy said:
Badronald":o5izrhmy said:
Did I miss the part where you pulled the tubes and wrapped them separately? :confused:

No, as I don't typically do that unless the buyer specifically requests it. I have never received a new amp from a manufacturer with the tubes pulled, and this pack job is about 10 times better than any pack I've ever received from a manufacturer.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander! :lol: :LOL:

Awesome job on the packing Rob :thumbsup: :rock:
I never request tube removal for shipping. I think they're actually safer taking the trip in their sockets where they belong than boxed up seperately inside the box. Years ago I unpacked a Mesa Dual Rectifier from its origonal box right in the store as it arrived. Mesa had the tubes in their tube boxes which were in turn taped to the inside of the amp. Only problem is the tube boxes opened on one end and while the boxes themselves stayed in place the tubes were now loose inside the head and several of them broke :thumbsdown: Luckily, it arrived at the same time to the store as part of a three amp shipment. Upon opening the other amp boxes I noticed the same thing, broken tubes! I was able to make one good set of tubes between them and got the glass cleaned out of one Dual Rectifier which I still have today. I can't believe Mesa ships their amps this way :gethim:

Rudy
 
I remember the good ol' days of Mesa shipping the amps with the orange netting over the tubes. Always had to make sure a new, over zealous salesperson wouldn't unpack one and fire it up without taking them off. Would have been an interesting new tube smell.
 
Best pack job ever! What's really gonna suck is when u get to fed x and they make u unpack so they can check it out.
 
skoora":1juwjr27 said:
I remember the good ol' days of Mesa shipping the amps with the orange netting over the tubes. Always had to make sure a new, over zealous salesperson wouldn't unpack one and fire it up without taking them off. Would have been an interesting new tube smell.

I remember those orage net things :lol: :LOL:

Rudy
 
Easily and by far the best darn packing job I have ever seen or most probably will see!

Wonderful job.
 
I wish my CCV had been packed like that when it arrived. Perhaps I wouldn't now have a cracked headshell.

Very impressive, despite the cost.
 
Let me tell you there is NOTHING WORSE than unpacking something with packing peanuts...it is HORRIBLE!!!!!!

USE bubble wrap, use packing paper, use friggin body parts but NOT PEANUTS.

I just found out that I'm the one that has to unpack this. Great.

I can't wait. Made my day.

Oh ya and never use UPS.

I am begging you guys, if you ship something to Tone Merchants/Racksystems DO NOT PUT ANY PEANUTS in the box. We are almost to the point that we will return it to you if you pack with peanuts.


Mark
 
Mark Day":2rq1jg2r said:
Let me tell you there is NOTHING WORSE than unpacking something with packing peanuts...it is HORRIBLE!!!!!!

USE bubble wrap, use packing paper, use friggin body parts but NOT PEANUTS.

I just found out that I'm the one that has to unpack this. Great.

I can't wait. Made my day.

Oh ya and never use UPS.

I am begging you guys, if you ship something to Tone Merchants/Racksystems DO NOT PUT ANY PEANUTS in the box. We are almost to the point that we will return it to you if you pack with peanuts.


Mark

The normally "mild-mannered-polite-as-all-get-out" Mark Day gets a little salty over styrene peanuts!

They are pretty much horrible though. I have devised all sort of methods to try and deal with them, but they always end up everywhere. My method of dealing with them now it is to say "fuck it" and spill them all over the floor. I then enlist/bribe my kids to clean them up for me.

Years ago, I received a Bogner XTC packed and shipped via the UPS Store, and they simply put the amp in a huge box and then dumped peanuts around it. What a pain in the ass.

:)
 
Mark Day":2riroyuf said:
Let me tell you there is NOTHING WORSE than unpacking something with packing peanuts...it is HORRIBLE!!!!!!

USE bubble wrap, use packing paper, use friggin body parts but NOT PEANUTS.

I just found out that I'm the one that has to unpack this. Great.

I can't wait. Made my day.

Oh ya and never use UPS.

I am begging you guys, if you ship something to Tone Merchants/Racksystems DO NOT PUT ANY PEANUTS in the box. We are almost to the point that we will return it to you if you pack with peanuts.


Mark

Hey Mark:

I know packing peanuts are a pain in the ass, but the options you list are not viable and/or offer better protection:

1 - To fill that outer box with bubble wrap would cost about 4 times as much as packing peanuts and would not provide any better protection than tightly packed packing peanuts.
2 - Packing paper does not provide the same extent of protection in the event of a drop that tightly packed packing peanuts do. Plus, UPS and FedEx would likely not pay out a damage claim if the box was packed with packing paper. They pretty much mandate the use of packing peanuts for insurance coverage.

Sorry Dave has allocated the task of unpacking this to you..... :doh:

:lol: :LOL:
 
Mark Day":zdqdd68p said:
Let me tell you there is NOTHING WORSE than unpacking something with packing peanuts...it is HORRIBLE!!!!!!

USE bubble wrap, use packing paper, use friggin body parts but NOT PEANUTS.

I just found out that I'm the one that has to unpack this. Great.

I can't wait. Made my day.

Oh ya and never use UPS.

I am begging you guys, if you ship something to Tone Merchants/Racksystems DO NOT PUT ANY PEANUTS in the box. We are almost to the point that we will return it to you if you pack with peanuts.


Mark

Mark, i mean this out of all respect, but do not bitch over packing peanuts versus a shipping company denying your claim of insurance AND you getting a fucked up amplifier AND you get stuck with the repair bill. The alternative is worse.

Be thankful someone took the time to package it correctly. If you hate it that much, buy a shop vac.
 
glpg80":wp5luuwb said:
Mark Day":wp5luuwb said:
Let me tell you there is NOTHING WORSE than unpacking something with packing peanuts...it is HORRIBLE!!!!!!

USE bubble wrap, use packing paper, use friggin body parts but NOT PEANUTS.

I just found out that I'm the one that has to unpack this. Great.

I can't wait. Made my day.

Oh ya and never use UPS.

I am begging you guys, if you ship something to Tone Merchants/Racksystems DO NOT PUT ANY PEANUTS in the box. We are almost to the point that we will return it to you if you pack with peanuts.


Mark

Mark, i mean this out of all respect, but do not bitch over packing peanuts versus a shipping company denying your claim of insurance AND you getting a fucked up amplifier AND you get stuck with the repair bill. The alternative is worse.

Be thankful someone took the time to package it correctly. If you hate it that much, buy a shop vac.

I agree 100%

I'm very happy and impressed when I receive something packed that well. If I got
a response like that a big fuck you would be in order.
 
Manufacturers now use stiffer foam to pack heads. This amount of packing is a little overkill. It is also my understanding that claims involving packing peanuts are denied unless UPS actually does the pack themselves.
Packing peanuts only allow contents to slide around and do not offer adequate protection besides being a static mess.

The foam he used with the double box was more than adequate.

We now pack our new heads with the stiff foam inserts like Suhr and many other manufacturers.

Much less time, expense and safer.

IHateRap, I will not respond to your opinion the same way you responded to mine.
I invite you to come and visit and I can show you some great packing jobs and some not so great.
Then you can base your opinion on more than a few one offs.
Packing is a pain but a necessary evil.

Rlord1974 went to great effort to pack this head and to document. It was a great job except for the peanuts. As someone who ships and receives these shipments everyday I wanted to let him know that peanuts are not only a mess but the shipping companies will usually not honor claims with peanuts unless they or their agents do the packing. I have seen the UPS Store use peanuts but remember you are paying them for their overinflated service not for the protection of your valuables. When you use their packing services you are basically paying for insurance. They make so much money on this they can afford to pay out claims.

I didn't mean to piss anyone off but God we hate those peanuts. They are NOT a good solution and sorry but packing paper is better IMHO. rlord1974 did an amazing pack job. Had he used packing paper instead of the peanuts, I would have posted a thumbs up, instead. Everything else was great.

Mark
 
glpg80":25xoo0tq said:
Mark, i mean this out of all respect, but do not bitch over packing peanuts versus a shipping company denying your claim of insurance AND you getting a fucked up amplifier AND you get stuck with the repair bill. The alternative is worse.

Be thankful someone took the time to package it correctly. If you hate it that much, buy a shop vac.

I mean this out of respect as well :) Peanuts are not correct. UPS denies claims with peanuts...usually. We have a shop vac. I would gladly make a video of you( or you can hold the camera and I will do it) unpacking the box and cleaning it up with a shop vac and then emptying said shop vac into the garbage bin outside in the wind of course. It would be an epic comical video that would more than likely go viral :) Please take that in the tone that it was meant...funny :)

I'm not just bitching about the mess, I am also letting you know that the shipping companies deny claims involving packing peanuts. They are not a good solution and this is why ALL amp manufacturers DO NOT USE THEM :)

Time is much better spent working on gear not cleaning up peanuts, lol.

Guys, I understand that you would be more than thrilled to get your amp shipped like this. Amp arrives safe, one mess to clean up and it's all done. However 10 amps arriving like this...big mess. His packing job would arrive safe without the peanuts :). It really would.

Mark
 
Mark Day":1aizgg5c said:
Manufacturers now use stiffer foam to pack heads. This amount of packing is a little overkill. It is also my understanding that claims involving packing peanuts are denied unless UPS actually does the pack themselves.
Packing peanuts only allow contents to slide around and do not offer adequate protection besides being a static mess.

The foam he used with the double box was more than adequate.

We now pack our new heads with the stiff foam inserts like Suhr and many other manufacturers.

Much less time, expense and safer.

IHateRap, I will not respond to your opinion the same way you responded to mine.
I invite you to come and visit and I can show you some great packing jobs and some not so great.
Then you can base your opinion on more than a few one offs.
Packing is a pain but a necessary evil.

Rlord1974 went to great effort to pack this head and to document. It was a great job except for the peanuts. As someone who ships and receives these shipments everyday I wanted to let him know that peanuts are not only a mess but the shipping companies will usually not honor claims with peanuts unless they or their agents do the packing. I have seen the UPS Store use peanuts but remember you are paying them for their overinflated service not for the protection of your valuables. When you use their packing services you are basically paying for insurance. They make so much money on this they can afford to pay out claims.

I didn't mean to piss anyone off but God we hate those peanuts. They are NOT a good solution and sorry but packing paper is better IMHO. rlord1974 did an amazing pack job. Had he used packing paper instead of the peanuts, I would have posted a thumbs up, instead. Everything else was great.

Mark

Part of my response was uncalled for and for that I apologize. However, I believe your first post was more to the snobby, unappreciative side than that of a helpful, knowledgable opinion. Something more like this would be appropriate:

"Thanks for the obvious extra effort and money you put forth in packing up the amp. It has not gone unnoticed. For future reference we are pushing hard on moving away from the use of packing peanuts as we believe there are alternatives that provide equal or better protection."


If I got your first reply I would be pissed.
 
A few thoughts..... :lol: :LOL:

I agree with Mark that the styrofoam alone would have been sufficient, if the package did not fall off a convertor belt or otherwise suffer a significant drop during shipment/delivery.

So, why do I pack amps the way I do you ask? :confused: Other than the fact that I have to anticipate the worst (i.e., a significant impact event) when shipping with UPS and FedEx.....

1 - The dense styrofoam insulation I line outer boxes with is to reinforce the outer box strength and provide a strong and durable first line of defence against any external item puncturing through the outer box's wall. I do not look at the dense styrofoam as providing any cushioning whatsoever. It is very hard.

2 - The medium density styrofoam I line inner boxes with is to (a) reinforce the inner box strength, and (b) provide some cushioning to the item being shipped. For example, if this package was dropped 5 to 10 feet, the amp would crush the medium density styrofoam somewhat, but would not break through it.

3 - Bubblewrap is great for protecting a guitar amp from getting scratched during shipment but, with any significant force exerted (e.g., in a large and jarring drop or fall), these "bubbles" will all pop and will not provide much cushioning at all. Bubblewrap is great for providing a cushioning effect for lightweight items - not something that weighs the better part of 50 lbs.

4 - Packing or kraft paper is great for filling voids with lightweight items, but if a heavy item suffered a fall or drop, the kraft paper flattens out like a pancake very quickly, and remains that way (e.g., for the rest of the package's journey). It does not provide sufficient cushioning for heavy items.

5 - I always put the peanuts between the inner and outer boxes, as these are the "shock absorbers" in the overall pack. If this parcel was to fall a few feet, as already outlined, the styrofoam and bubble wrap wouldn't provide sufficient cushioning. Packing peanuts are designed to compress on impact and then return to their original form. This is especially advantageous if the amp is to continue on its journey after suffering the fall. As such, the peanuts are the primary item that would absorb the impact from a fall. I also always pack the peanuts tight, to ensure the inner box does not move around during transit.

My approach is largely inline with the guidance on UPS website: http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resour ... w_to2.html

I also agree with Mark that the best protection is the stiffer foam used by amp manufacturers. The problem with this foam is (a) it's next to impossible to find as amp manufacturer's typically have to have their foam inserts custom made by a foam injection company, (b) it's extremely expensive and (c) it's AWFUL for the environment - worse than any other packing material described.

At the end of the day, I agree with Mark that peanuts are annoying. I just do not know of another packing material that will economically fill the place of what I use the peanuts for.

Finally, the direction this thread has taken is hilarious. I post these threads to (a) provide a purchaser with comfort that his/her item was packed properly and (b) to evidence the pack job in the event of a claim. UPS or FedEx could never argue this package was not properly packaged. I would take them to small claims court if they did and can guarantee you that no judge would find in their favour. I went over and above in protecting the item being shipped and any damage resulting from shipment would clearly represent failure for UPS/FedEx to exercise an appropriate duty of care (the laws of contract and torts both cover this legal argument).

Carry on! :thumbsup:
 
Here this is from UPS themselves. http://www.ups.com/packaging/guidelines?loc=en_US
You will notice that packing peanuts is acceptable fill for the outer box for packages up to 10lbs. After 10lbs and up to 50 lbs the they recommend bubble wrap or foam-in-place, polyethylene foam pads, or other dunnage material.

I am not being a jerk I'm letting you know the correct facts according to UPS :) I know of instances of denied claims because of peanuts.

iHateRap, my first response was supposed to have some angry sarcastic smiles in there, my apologies :) I just figured people knew my sarcastic tongue in cheek candour :)

When I'm going off like this I do have a smile on my face :)

So please folks, listen up...UPS says peanuts are acceptable for outer box fill for packages up to 10 lbs. Your amps weigh more than that. They have the right to deny as they have their packing suggestions in print.

This is more than just my hate of peanuts it is good advice.


rlord1974, I think you would lose your court case, as UPS clearly states peanuts are only acceptable up to 10 lbs :(

At the end of the day wouldn't it be nice if all shipping companies just took better care of our stuff?



Mark
 
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