Another Kemper vs. Axe Fx II thread...

[zentman]

Didn't he also use mismatched speakers, impedance wise, to do something to the amp? I thought I read that but may be wrong.

This I can't recall - although I wouldn't be surprised...

All I know is 5751s were the tube of choice. And I've actually employed a couple of these in my high gain heads to offer interesting effects on an otherwise Chinese/C9 laden preamp stage.

Some good stuff here re his mods: http://www.valcoamp.com/page/srvs-final-notes-a-harsch

 

[Rogue]

Seems like it would have to be lacking something in order to get better.

Was a 1957 Tweed lacking anything or did it do what it did as it was intended very well? Maybe amplifier development should have just stopped there. Some say it was the holy grail. Did Howard Dumble improve Fender's designs? What about Randal Smith?

Did you ever buy new tubes or speakers for an amp you loved and thought it got better even though you already loved it as it was? Most have.

It would seem it was lacking something to you, as these modifications "made it better". No?

Yes, I have used different parts and pieces that made the tone more to my liking. However, I do know when I see something I'm interested in trying how I want it to affect my tone....in other words, I know what I'm missing from my tone that I would like to improve. Sometimes it may do just that, sometimes it might not. Sometimes it improves some things while affecting other areas in ways I don't like.

In the end, it appears you agree with Mr Peterson that you may or may not know what a previous version of the modeler was lacking until the new version comes out. Correct?

 

[zentman]

Seems like it would have to be lacking something in order to get better.

Was a 1957 Tweed lacking anything or did it do what it did as it was intended very well? Maybe amplifier development should have just stopped there. Some say it was the holy grail. Did Howard Dumble improve Fender's designs? What about Randal Smith?

Did you ever buy new tubes or speakers for an amp you loved and thought it got better even though you already loved it as it was? Most have.

It would seem it was lacking something to you, as these modifications "made it better". No?

Yes, I have used different parts and pieces that made the tone more to my liking. However, I do know when I see something I'm interested in trying how I want it to affect my tone....in other words, I know what I'm missing from my tone that I would like to improve. Sometimes it may do just that, sometimes it might not. Sometimes it improves some things while affecting other areas in ways I don't like.

In the end, it appears you agree with Mr Peterson that you may or may not know what a previous version of the modeler was lacking until the new version comes out. Correct?

Actually I was just entering the discussion to bring something called logic in to the equation. Mr Peterson speaks for himself only. I have the same 20 gig patches I have had for 2 years. Every now and then I change an amp to see what one of the new ones sounds like but that's about it. If a new FW comes out and I notice it has more bass or treble I turn it down or up on my patches. I don't gush over FW. I post clips and let people listen but only because I like showing off.

It's always sounded good to me but I'm awesome so what wouldn't in my capable hands.

 

[Shark Diver]

Also, you nor anybody you know could tell the difference between 24 bit digital audio and a vinyl album, sorry. That has been proven and is not speculation.

You guys are funny.

But, I never heard pops and crackles in a 24 bit digital audio track? Part of vinyl's lure. So, I would think it would be very easy to tell.

All I know is that when digital recording came out there was a HUGE market for gear that would make the pristine digital sound analog warm. None of this has anything to do with the the OP's question though.

To reiterate: Can't you guys just give Pros and Cons of each? The which is "better" is so uninformative and it is obvious the bias of those posting. It isn't really helpful to the original question and obviously extremely subjective.

It's not like we're discussing Soldano vs other amps where Soldano is clearly "better...

 

[zentman]

But, I never heard pops and crackles in a 24 bit digital audio track? Part of vinyl's lure. So, I would think it would be very easy to tell.

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

 

[Rogue]

Actually I was just entering the discussion to bring something called logic in to the equation. Mr Peterson speaks for himself only. I have the same 20 gig patches I have had for 2 years. Every now and then I change an amp to see what one of the new ones sounds like but that's about it. If a new FW comes out and I notice it has more bass or treble I turn it down or up on my patches. I don't gush over FW. I post clips and let people listen but only because I like showing off.

It's always sounded good to me but I'm awesome so what wouldn't in my capable hands.

Well, I thought Mr Peterson made a lot of sense. For once. It certainly explains why so many guys go nuts over the new versions, yet the old versions were already great if not perfect, in a logic shattering cosmic mystery. They just didn't know what wasn't there. Makes sense. I'm just glad an Axe player finally gave a logical reason for this strange phenomenon.

I just hate that the guys that realized what it was missing in the first place were blasted by the AxeFX police for knowing what the AxeFX police didn't know until later versions.

 

[Anonymous]

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

You're on fire the last couple of days, zent!

Steve

 

[ejecta]

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

You're on fire the last couple of days, zent!

Steve

So was Richard Pryor at one point.

 

[Anonymous]

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

You're on fire the last couple of days, zent!

Steve

So was Richard Pryor at one point.

Yup. I wasn't discussing the relative merits of this fire, just observing

Stefve

 

[zentman]

So was Richard Pryor at one point.

Best post of thread!

 

[Shark Diver]

But, I never heard pops and crackles in a 24 bit digital audio track? Part of vinyl's lure. So, I would think it would be very easy to tell.

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

Why would you do that if the whole purpose of digital is too get rid of that. I'm not confused - it seems ridicoulus to go digital, and then buy equipment to make it sound analog.

 

[Rogue]

Why would you do that if the whole purpose of digital is too get rid of that. I'm not confused - it seems ridicoulus to go digital, and then buy equipment to make it sound analog.

And ironically enough, the holy grail for digital modelers.

 

[zentman]

But, I never heard pops and crackles in a 24 bit digital audio track? Part of vinyl's lure. So, I would think it would be very easy to tell.

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

Why would you do that if the whole purpose of digital is too get rid of that. I'm not confused - it seems ridicoulus to go digital, and then buy equipment to make it sound analog.

The point, you missed it. That's ok. Try not to use the confused icon next time if you're actually not confused.

You stated it would be easy to tell the difference because of the pops and crackles. I simply stated you could add them. Your point was invalid as we were discussing the quality of 24 bit digital sound vs analog or in this case vinyl. If the only difference was the noises added to the material by inferior technology, I pointed out that noises could be added to the 24 bit audio there by negating the difference. In reality, a 24 bit recording would actually be superior to vinyl as there would be no extemporaneous noise added.

If hearing crackles and pops in a performance thrills you I suggest you go see the Rice Krispy band coming soon to an arena near you.

 

[ejecta]

Why would you do that if the whole purpose of digital is too get rid of that. I'm not confused - it seems ridicoulus to go digital, and then buy equipment to make it sound analog.

And ironically enough, the holy grail for digital modelers.

Finally some people get it.

 

[zentman]

Why would you do that if the whole purpose of digital is too get rid of that. I'm not confused - it seems ridicoulus to go digital, and then buy equipment to make it sound analog.

And ironically enough, the holy grail for digital modelers.

And now that the holy grail has been achieved we are watching and hearing it exceed what old technology could never have come close to. Isn't it great. .

 

[Rogue]

And now that the holy grail has been achieved we are watching and hearing it exceed what old technology could never have come close to. Isn't it great. .

At least until the next update so people can realize what it's lacking now.

 

[zentman]

And now that the holy grail has been achieved we are watching and hearing it exceed what old technology could never have come close to. Isn't it great. .

At least until the next update so people can realize what it's lacking now.

The next update is just adding more of what tube amps can't do. I have the inside scoop. That's if you are specifying Fractal. I was talking about digital in general.


Hope you guys know I'm just playing around. Slow work day ya know. It's all good.

 

[Shark Diver]

But, I never heard pops and crackles in a 24 bit digital audio track? Part of vinyl's lure. So, I would think it would be very easy to tell.

Allow me to un-confuse you, put the pops and crackles in the 24 bit audio.Ta da.

Why would you do that if the whole purpose of digital is too get rid of that. I'm not confused - it seems ridicoulus to go digital, and then buy equipment to make it sound analog.

The point, you missed it. That's ok. Try not to use the confused icon next time if you're actually not confused.

You stated it would be easy to tell the difference because of the pops and crackles. I simply stated you could add them. Your point was invalid as we were discussing the quality of 24 bit digital sound vs analog or in this case vinyl. If the only difference was the noises added to the material by inferior technology, I pointed out that noises could be added to the 24 bit audio there by negating the difference. In reality, a 24 bit recording would actually be superior to vinyl as there would be no extemporaneous noise added.

If hearing crackles and pops in a performance thrills you I suggest you go see the Rice Krispy band coming soon to an arena near you.

Dude, you are taking this wayyyy to seriously. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. And the confusion was your statement that there is some "proof" that people can't tell the difference between analog and digital. I made a joke about pops and crackles. But, in reality if digital sounded as warm as analog then studios wouldn't have clamored to buy equipment to make digital sound analog. Period. Some people like sterile digital tones. More power to them.

Might as well just debate tubes vs digital. In the end you'll never be convinced - so moot on it's surface.

lighten up, peace out.

EDIT: Just saw your last post - maybe I should take my own advice

 

[Rogue]

The next update is just adding more of what tube amps can't do. I have the inside scoop. That's if you are specifying Fractal. I was talking about digital in general.

Ah, I see. Perhaps selling your AxeFX and purchasing a used POD HD or Eleven Rack would be a financially wise decision since they are all "there"? I wonder, what might prevent you from making this clearly obvious better financial decision?

My money is on v11 will be even more betterer again. There will be something realized that was lacking in v10.

Hope you guys know I'm just playing around. Slow work day ya know. It's all good.

Well sure, I didn't think you were serious about all this.

 

[ejecta]

The next update is just adding more of what tube amps can't do. I have the inside scoop. That's if you are specifying Fractal. I was talking about digital in general.

Ah, I see. Perhaps selling your AxeFX and purchasing a used POD HD or Eleven Rack would be a financially wise decision since they are all "there"? I wonder, what might prevent you from making this clearly obvious better financial decision?

My money is on v11 will be even more betterer again. There will be something realized that was lacking in v10.

Hope you guys know I'm just playing around. Slow work day ya know. It's all good.

Well sure, I didn't think you were serious about all this.