Anybody else have any transgender kids?

billsbigego said:
Well what am I supposed to do. Continue to call him a girl? That's not what he wants and gets hostile and super depressed. He honestly can not stand having a female body.
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I don't claim to have all the answers and recognize it's a truly difficult situation, so again, you have my sympathy. I would suggest prioritizing the prevention of any hormones or surgeries and that's the battle I would fight over. At least while she is in your care, as you can't really do much after that anyway. So if you need to humor her, call her a boy for the time being to keep the peace and keep her as close as possible, fine. But I don't think you should lie if she asks your directly what you think about it all, whether you really believe she's a boy, etc. And if she decides to move forward after she's an adult and you want to call her a man out of respect for her preferences, fine. You can still be her dad and still love her regardless. I agree though, it's best to avoid a battle if you can. I would also try to postpone dealing with any anger at "The system", those that influenced her or yourself until later if you can. If you can't, talk to someone.
 
VonBonfire said:
Time for a father daughte/sonr month long camping trip. Lettum rough it for a while like a "man" and find out. Time to stop letting your old lady and your kid wear the pants around the house on the issue. Youre a man dammit. Time to pull your kid from public schools. Time to stop paying cable bills and kill the sewer pipe running into your living room. Time for prayer and fasting unless you are ok with sitting back pounding beers and letting your daughter get butchered. Then you get what you get so get ready. Honestly you sound like you are throwing up your hands already.

I don't mean to be harsh but per some of your recent posts you're living a nightmare when y'all should be living the dream. There are no easy answers and I hate to come across as a jerk but you have some serious choices it's time to make. This is a phase, and one unduly influenced by negative outside social sources. My son complained that all his girl classmates either thought they were trans or were just gay. It's a trend. Buck the trend. If you aren't going to do anything then why even mention any of it here? Regardless of what you do you need to take some drastic actions. Maybe you can't influence the outcome with physical changes but you can resort to prayer. Where is your faith? Sorry if I'm harsh but your family is in my prayers regardless of whether you are mad at me for posting what I just posted. I truly wish you guys the best.
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It's the internet man. I don't take it too seriously. As far as the religion stuff, works for some, not for others. Doesn't work for me. I've always been there for my kid. Always included him in things. Even when he identified as female. Brought him to jobs, sanding decks, doing carpentry. Girl or not I always tried to teach self-sufficiency and respect for others and animals. So if there's one thing I did right, it's raise a someone that is polite and respectable. He started showing signs at a younger age, so I don't think it's fully just a phase, and believe me man. I grew up in the hating gay days when that was common place. Kid started shaving his head when he was 11. This was before the school brainwashing. So I don't know. I haven't given up. I'm just trying to support him through all of this. I just don't want to see him get screwed up on hormone therapy that all the "experts" are telling me is fine for young to take.

I mentioned it on here as a means of therapy man. I mean if you don't like the content, you don't have to read it. But I like you guys and this forum. I didn't post to be verbally berated. I appreciate all the input, even yours man. It helps just to listen, not to get all pissed off when someone posts a differing opinion.

Imagine how quickly this thread would have been locked over at TGP? LOL
 
...What the hell is wrong with being a tomboy these days?! ...I had a crush on two girls on the soccer team in grade school and high school. Ended up dating one of them. She broke my heart 💔😿
 
acceptance said:
...What the hell is wrong with being a tomboy these days?! ...I had a crush on two girls on the soccer team in grade school and high school. Ended up dating one of them. She broke my heart 💔😿
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I always thought it was odd that when younger, my kid loved trains and dinosaurs and trucks. I thought it was cool and thought nothing of it.
Now at least I have someone to listen to thrash metal with. Wife only listens to American Idol Bullshit music.
 
billsbigego said:
I always thought it was odd that when younger, my kid loved trains and dinosaurs and trucks. I thought it was cool and thought nothing of it.
Now at least I have someone to listen to thrash metal with. Wife only listens to American Idol Bullshit music.
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Well maybe you can leverage your good relationship with her in time to convince her "hey never rush into ANYTHING in life without careful consideration" whether it's a career path or marriage or this and she'll listen. It'd be no good if she dove in headfirst only to regret a youthful decision later cause some of the stuff is permanent. Because if she goes through with it then regrets it you might be on the receiving end of "why didn't you tell me?!?!" type stuff. I'm praying for your family Bill. I truly hope it all works out for the best man. I think you are a bold guy to even share any of this here.

Truthfully I have some nieces who are trans now thanks mainly to serious sexual abuse by male in laws and a complete lack of responsibility by the parent who essentially whored them out for casino and cig money, one of whom got 60 years for it and will die in prison. Damn it's a messed up world out there. At least your daughter has two parents there for her, that's huge in a world of broken homes. Cling to what's good brother.
 
billsbigego said:
Here's my long winded sob story. Just was looking at the "as clown world turns" thread and saw a picture of a girl with a beard. I want to fucking puke.

Nothing worse than a woman with a beard. And my transgender son (boy in a girls body) wants to start taking T @ age 16
Got all the guessers (doctors) involved and get the usual "of course it's fine, there are no long term physiolocal adverse repercussions for a 16 year old to take Testosterone therapy."

So I respond with. "So the human body is trying to do one thing, and you're going to give a 16 year old Testosterone therapy to make his body do something it was not designed to do." Just blank stares in response.

Sounds like a recipe of disaster.

But I'm outnumbered by the experts and my wife (who is an RN - loves anything big pharma produces) and my kid (16 year old expert on everything.)
Kid already tried to off himself a few years back before he or (she at the time) came out.

I know this has all been discussed before on here. Just wondering how others deal with this shit. I've said what I have to. I operate in the realm of logic.
Kid takes ADHD medicine because he doesn't do enough in life to occupy his mind. School is crippling for him. He's not the type to sit in a chair for 6 hours and listen to a school teacher mumble. He retains nothing, because it's uninteresting AF. Same as I was.

According to modern logic, the kid is Transgender. Can't just be gay. Nope, Transgender. My opinion of course. They have highly educated Harvard Grads figuring out the terminology for this and how to worm their agenda into the school curicullum in order to brainwash everything.

Kid is on Anti-depressent medicaiton. Instead of all the therapists, doctors and my wife and him listening to what I have to say. The fact is, 99% of the reason the kid is depressed is because of his sexual situation (figuring himself out) and only working 3 hours a week pushing shopping carts at the supermarket, and having way way too much free time on his hands. Then coming home, drinking a monster energy drink full of sugar, staying up till 2am and waking up at 6 and going to school. The sugar has nothing to do with the depression, or the 5 recees peanut butter cups he ate right before bed, washing it down with monster energy drinks.

I feel partly responsible because of my piss poor attitude about life. But I don't take meds and will not. I don't think I'm overly depressed, I've had deep dark clinical depression and now I exercise and take supplements and consume less sugar. I'm out of the hole. The only thing that drags me down is lack of sun in New England for 6 months out of the year and the fact that I'm a working slave. I try my best to help the kid with the depression, but I feel defeated that big pharma has won out.

I can't say much or be too harsh as the kid is very mentally fragile. I'm complety supportive regarding him figuring out his sexuality. I allow him to wear the shit he wears (think punk rocker) and bring him to get some piercings (to express his individuality) but it's the drug thing that scares the shit out of me. I don't know what else I can do. I mean I didn't listen to my parents either as a teen. But these drugs can potentially have a life long impact.

Anyhow, this is why I like to get myself paralyzed on Saturdays when I pound beers and listen to thrash metal to forget about life for 5-6 hours. LOL.

Look forward to taking the kid to some heavy metal shows this summer. Went to Anthrax last year and found a band on a side stage called Municipal Waste and with me and the kid moshing, it was the most fun I've had in a long time.
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Your son isn’t a girl trapped in a man’s body. He also isn’t transgender, because regardless of what anyone says, that is only possible if you are born with birth defects. Your son is mentally ill, and it seems like you understand that. Your wife is also mentally ill, because sane parents that live there children don’t let doctors do what she is willing to let them do. If you care about your son, stand your ground and don’t allow it. There is a long list of kids that now hate their parents and doctors for not being the adults for them in these situations. Also, how long have you and your wife allowed your son to poison himself with energy drinks and overdoing sugar. Of corse he can’t sit still for school or go to sleep before two in the morning. Add to that that he is on adhd meds, which I believe to be the wrong diagnosis. I’m not trying to beat you up man, but what your kid is suffering from is mental illness and poor parenting. It is never too late for you to step up and do right by the kid. If you don’t you will regret pretending like like all of this is normal just because it is the fad du jour. Have you looked at the suicide rates for children claiming to be trapped in the body of another sex? Maybe look them up, and scare some sense into yourself. Those suicide rates don’t get better with hormones. He is your kid, and you should be fighting for him and getting him to a mental health professional. That’s your job. You need to get him to some doctors that won’t kill him in the name of an agenda. Your post reads like you are opposed to it. That is sanity talking to you. Listen to it. If your son , at 16 ends up being a statistic because you didn’t fight for him, it won’t be anyone’s fault but yours and your wife’s. She is mentally ill as well. An RN that would allow doctors to perform unnecessary hormone treatments on there own child ( or any child) is basing dicissions on emotions rather than their training. I wish you luck
 
Aynirar27 said:
But it doesn’t matter what you think. It doesn’t matter if you think the other person is delusional.
That in fact is what makes me think you are delusional.

If I hated people calling me Daniel, and some asshole at work decided to call me Daniel at every chance he had, he’s an asshole. It doesn’t matter if it’s my legal name or not. He’s doing it to be an asshole. He can think it. He can call me it at home at the dinner table, but calling me that to my face, is done for no other reason than to be a cunt. It’s no different with “misgendering” on purpose.

The same goes for your views on the moon landing. You somehow think your own “logic” trumps proven science. We aren’t talking about string theory and quantum mechanics, we are talking about something several people did, came back to earth and talked about it.
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What is misgendering? If you call someone with a penis a dude, that is accurate, no matter if they have deluded themselves into believing otherwise. I’m not calling anything with a dick a female. Not out of spite, but simply because I don’t have to participate in your delusions, or enable their mental illness because they don’t have control over their emotions. If someone want to play dress up, they are free to do so, but they don’t have the right to demand that the rest of the world has to pretend along with them.
 
voodooradio1 said:
What is misgendering? If you call someone with a penis a dude, that is accurate, no matter if they have deluded themselves into believing otherwise. I’m not calling anything with a dick a female. Not out of spite, but simply because I don’t have to participate in your delusions, or enable their mental illness because they don’t have control over their emotions. If someone want to play dress up, they are free to do so, but they don’t have the right to demand that the rest of the world has to pretend along with them.
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Kinda sounds like you don’t want to do it out of spite.
 
voodooradio1 said:
Your son isn’t a girl trapped in a man’s body. He also isn’t transgender, because regardless of what anyone says, that is only possible if you are born with birth defects. Your son is mentally ill, and it seems like you understand that. Your wife is also mentally ill, because sane parents that live there children don’t let doctors do what she is willing to let them do. If you care about your son, stand your ground and don’t allow it.
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To the extent that his daughter truly believes she's a boy, or should be, or whatever the diagnosis entails — it is called "Gender dysphoria." I don't think it really helps to go around calling anyone mentally ill though, as while there is an obvious biological distinction between male and female, which includes some degree of behavioral traits, it is also true that what is considered normal and healthy is largely cultural. In other words, if you had been brought up believing that people could switch "genders," you probably wouldn't be making the same point. It's also a dismissive and condescending way to speak about people. And I would think it's also difficult for anyone to accurately make a diagnosis because it has become a social phenomenon, and kids are being unduly influenced by social media, teachers and so on. My overall point is that it's a more nuanced situation than you seem to think and your advice seems to reflect that. It is also a delicate situation, not a situation for the drill sergeant approach IMO.
 
acceptance said:
To the extent that his daughter truly believes she's a boy, or should be, or whatever the diagnosis entails — it is called "Gender dysphoria." I don't think it really helps to go around calling anyone mentally ill though, as while there is an obvious biological distinction between male and female, which includes some degree of behavioral traits, it is also true that what is considered normal and healthy is largely cultural. In other words, if you had been brought up believing that people could switch "genders," you probably wouldn't be making the same point. It's also a dismissive and condescending way to speak about people. And I would think it's also difficult for anyone to accurately make a diagnosis because it has become a social phenomenon, and kids are being unduly influenced by social media, teachers and so on. My overall point is that it's a more nuanced situation than you seem to think and your advice seems to reflect that. It is also a delicate situation, not a situation for the drill sergeant approach IMO.
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I didn’t advise him to take a drill sgt approach. I reminded him that he is the adult, and his kid really needs him to look out for his best interest. Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness. There isn’t a pleasant way to say that. I agree that social constructs have a lot of kid jammed up. That is why good parents make it their business to mind their children’s business and do their best to prevent exposure to anything harmful. There is no nice way to say “ your kid is fucked because your wife and yourself have dropped the ball on parenting. It also isn’t what a person in his situation needs to hear. His son is at risk, and he needs to hear the truth, regardless of how harsh it may sound. Seems to me that he is surrounded by people that aren’t grounded in reality. I didn’t say anything to him that he didn’t ask to hear, and I wasn’t doing it to be an asshole. I gave him something to consider, which is what he asked for, and I wasn’t mean spirited about it. I was honest about it, and in my book that is always the best policy.
 
voodooradio1 said:
I didn’t advise him to take a drill sgt approach. I reminded him that he is the adult, and his kid really needs him to look out for his best interest. Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness. There isn’t a pleasant way to say that. I agree that social constructs have a lot of kid jammed up. That is why good parents make it their business to mind their children’s business and do their best to prevent exposure to anything harmful. There is no nice way to say “ your kid is fucked because your wife and yourself have dropped the ball on parenting. It also isn’t what a person in his situation needs to hear. His son is at risk, and he needs to hear the truth, regardless of how harsh it may sound. Seems to me that he is surrounded by people that aren’t grounded in reality. I didn’t say anything to him that he didn’t ask to hear, and I wasn’t doing it to be an asshole. I gave him something to consider, which is what he asked for, and I wasn’t mean spirited about it. I was honest about it, and in my book that is always the best policy.
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Wanted to add that he hasn’t mentioned a daughter. We are talking about his son.
 
voodooradio1 said:
People like you demonstrate a lot of spite anytime someone doesn’t agree with your woke bullshit. Nothing spiteful about choosing to view things with common sense, or choosing to live in reality.
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Well tell me this, how many times have you ever been in the situation where someone asked you to refer to them as a gender that you did not believe they were?
It would seem that it would happen to you fairly often if you have such strong opinions and feelings about it. It must have affected your life negatively in some way.
 
Aynirar27 said:
Well tell me this, how many times have you ever been in the situation where someone asked you to refer to them as a gender that you did not believe they were?
It would seem that it would happen to you fairly often if you have such strong opinions and feelings about it. It must have affected your life negatively in some way.
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Appeal to ridicule.

Next up.. gaslighting and virtue signaling.

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voodooradio1 said:
Wanted to add that he hasn’t mentioned a daughter. We are talking about his son.
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It's actually his daughter that wants to transition. "Drill Sergeant" was hyperbole, but that is kinda the vibe I got. And a seeming lack of compassion. I am guessing that if you are a parent you have fortunately not had to deal with a situation like this. I wouldn't immediately assume it's because you are such a great parent either, and I don't mean that as an insult. ...I wasn't suggesting that it was social constructs that could be affecting her, but rather that social constructs affect your perception of whether it is right or wrong, good or bad. I do agree it's not good, from an objective a standpoint as I can muster. I'm just pointing it out with respect to the question of "Mental illness," which is always diagnosed relative to the norms and standards of a given society and culture.
 
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