Anyone ever get Floyd Rose fatigue?

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I've blocked floyd's before and have one blocked and on free floating. I actually prefer them floating.

I understand the fatigue though. That's why I only play the Gotoh or Ibanez Edge floyds that have a lower profile. Or even a Lo Pro edge if I can find a guitar with them. I don't like the tradtional, higher profile floating floyds.
 
GJgo said:
You guys talk about blocking it so it only goes down, I must be missing something. The #1 problem I have with the FR is that when I bend a string, all the others go flat. Blocking it so it only goes down does nothing for this. Is this not a problem for you guys..?

My band is getting ready to start recording our first album, and my sound engineer told me not to bring a FR guitar for tracking rhythms. :ROFLMAO:
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If you have a problem like this, typically you need to either tighten the nut down more or you need a new nut since there are probably grooves worn in and it allowing the strings to move. If you have everything tightened up properly and the nut is doing what it should, you shouldn’t have this issue. Even on a floating Floyd I can do 4 fret bends and it’s back in tune every time, on all of my OFRs. Your nut is probably in need of a makeover.
 
xzyryabx said:
You're not missing anything!!
To solve your problem with the bends you need to put a block behind the floyd block...to solve the string break problem you need to put a block in front of the food block. I have two blocks in so it's essentially a hardtail.
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I haven't broken a string in years, since switching to NYXLs!

I do have two hard blocks for my Kami which makes it really nice... I must say.
 
DragonCrestPC said:
Funny thing is, i have a 2001 ESP custom shop with a floyd that maybe needs a tuning once every three months and i play that thing almost daily. How is your tuning stability on your Kahler? I've always heard those things are rock solid.
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I've had 4 Hannys with Kahlers and the tuning has always been rockstar. Plus string changes come in to tune WAY faster than a FR. Plus the string height doesn't change with tremolo movement so I can have a lower action. Plus there's more wood in the body. Plus intonating is easier. Plus I prefer the tonality of the tremolo action. Plus adjacent strings don't go flat with bends. Plus I don't blow out the tuning with hard down picking. IMO nothing but pluses over a FR.
 
I did many years ago. After I started learning to play after a few years of guitar I got my first floyd guitar and that's all I used for a very long time.

I definitely got tired of them and didnt touch one for probably a decade but to me they are the tightest and best feeling bridges for the right hand. I got so accustomed to them that I cannot play anything with a T.O.M. that is not recessed and even then I stay away from them.

The best bridge I've used to compare is the Hipshot so that would be my advice if someone is tired of dealing with the Floyd for whatever reason.

I did just get my first Floyd guitar recently in a long time and well, nothing can beat the feel of a good Floyd Rose imo but the Hipshot is a valid alternative and much easier and quicker to manage. With that said I haven't tried every bridge out there so maybe you'll find something better.
 
Racerxrated said:
If you have a problem like this, typically you need to either tighten the nut down more or you need a new nut since there are probably grooves worn in and it allowing the strings to move. If you have everything tightened up properly and the nut is doing what it should, you shouldn’t have this issue. Even on a floating Floyd I can do 4 fret bends and it’s back in tune every time, on all of my OFRs. Your nut is probably in need of a makeover.
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You're thinking of something different. The issue is that with a FR, when you bend a string, the bridge comes up & all other strings go flat WHILE the one string is bent. This makes playing a bent string & an adjacent not-bent string together near impossible to do cleanly & in tune. NO BLUES FOR YOU!
 
GJgo said:
You're thinking of something different. The issue is that with a FR, when you bend a string, the bridge comes up & all other strings go flat WHILE the one string is bent. This makes playing a bent string & an adjacent not-bent string together near impossible to do cleanly & in tune. NO BLUES FOR YOU!
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I’ll bend one string while fretting others; never ever had a intonation issue doing it. Trust me I’d notice haha
 
Racerxrated said:
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I’ll bend one string while fretting others; never ever had a intonation issue doing it. Trust me I’d notice haha
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I bet you're compensating by slightly bending the "not bent" string, or applying a little pressure to the bridge, and you don't even know you're doing it. The way the FR balances between two spring tensions on a fulcrum it's just physics- if you increase the tension on one side the block will move in that direction.

The Kahler uses a cam, not a fulcrum, so the physics are different. There's an effect but it's almost imperceptible unless you're really paying attention.
 
GJgo said:
I've had 4 Hannys with Kahlers and the tuning has always been rockstar. Plus string changes come in to tune WAY faster than a FR. Plus the string height doesn't change with tremolo movement so I can have a lower action. Plus there's more wood in the body. Plus intonating is easier. Plus I prefer the tonality of the tremolo action. Plus adjacent strings don't go flat with bends. Plus I don't blow out the tuning with hard down picking. IMO nothing but pluses over a FR.
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I’ve had 6 with them; 4 were shit and the last 2 USA 80s Charvel were great. The shit ones didn’t change with new rollers either. The tone is a little less snappy but thicker than a Floyd. Some think Kahlers deaden the tone. I wouldn’t go that far. But they can have a ‘spaghetti string’ thing going that makes you play with a lighter touch. But to me they just don’t have the rock solid tuning stability of a Floyd.
 
Racerxrated said:
I’ve had 6 with them; 4 were shit and the last 2 USA 80s Charvel were great. The shit ones didn’t change with new rollers either. The tone is a little less snappy but thicker than a Floyd. Some think Kahlers deaden the tone. I wouldn’t go that far. But they can have a ‘spaghetti string’ thing going that makes you play with a lighter touch. But to me they just don’t have the rock solid tuning stability of a Floyd.
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I have a suspicion that you had experience with the more "vintage" Kahlers that gave them a bad name. Many of those did really suck. The modern designs that ESP is using are awesome. The newest ones even have an Allen key that you can lock the bridge down with which is very useful.

Personally I'm a very hard rhythm picker and I can play much heavier with a Kahler than I can with a FR- when I downpick hard with a floating FR it blows the whole chord momentarily sharp out of tune from the vibration harmonics moving the block. Annoying AF.

I agree that FRs are a little more snappy.
 
GJgo said:
You're thinking of something different. The issue is that with a FR, when you bend a string, the bridge comes up & all other strings go flat WHILE the one string is bent. This makes playing a bent string & an adjacent not-bent string together near impossible to do cleanly & in tune. NO BLUES FOR YOU!
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Tighten the springs a little and then your bridge won't move when you bend.
 
GJgo said:
You're thinking of something different. The issue is that with a FR, when you bend a string, the bridge comes up & all other strings go flat WHILE the one string is bent. This makes playing a bent string & an adjacent not-bent string together near impossible to do cleanly & in tune. NO BLUES FOR YOU!
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This is true. At that point I'll grab the bar and use it to vibrato or vibrato the bent string to hide the tuning issue.
 
Briman24 said:
Tighten the springs a little and then your bridge won't move when you bend.
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If you arbitrarily tighten the springs the bridge will come down- and the whole idea is to balance the bridge parallel to the deck. Or, I like to think of it more precisely as parallel to the mounting studs- since those are the fulcrum- and they're not always perpendicular to the deck.

That said if you did tighten springs to move the bridge "below" the fulcrum I could see how the increased leverage would resist said upward movement, however as you move further from perpendicular to the fulcrum I've noticed two things- 1) tuning stability decreases and 2) you lose significant range for "up" bends with the tremolo. Plus your action comes down & you may have to raise the bridge, which is no big deal.
 
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GJgo said:
If you arbitrarily tighten the springs the bridge will come down- and the whole idea is to balance the bridge parallel to the deck. Or, I like to think of it more precisely as parallel to the mounting studs- since those are the fulcrum- and they're not always perpendicular to the deck.

That said if you did tighten springs to move the bridge "below" the fulcrum I could see how the increased leverage would resist said upward movement, however as you move further from perpendicular to the fulcrum I've noticed two things- 1) tuning stability decreases and 2) you lose significant range for "up" bends with the tremolo. Plus your action comes down & you may have to raise the bride, which is no big deal.
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If you block your bridge properly (level with body) tightening springs does not effect anything.
 
Another to talk about with floyds is D Tuna's. You have to block the bridge in order to use a dtuna. Otherwise the tuning on all strings goes flat when drop tuning the low e.
 
I block my floyds as well. If you set it up right the fine tuner on the low E string will have enough range to let you switch between standard and drop pretty easily and stay as stable as a hard tail. I leave do leave one guitar floating in case I need to track a dive bomb solo or something.
 
To the op's question: Nope! Love FR's. Always fully floating. Been using them for a looooooong time
 
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In the 90s I loved my Floyds so much I couldn't stay off of it. One day I sold them all and switched. It was a great growth period for me as a player as it helped with trying different tunings, staying in tune, bends, and an overall hyperfocus on actual playing.

Years after that I started acquiring FRs again, so much fun! I guess take a hard look at yourself, I was a FR addict and needed that long break lol
 
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