Anyone here used a 5150III 50w and JVM410H? Thoughts?

[Random Hero]

Still tempted by a JVM despite playing them and occasionally finding them great and occasionally a bit meh and thin. Thinking it could have been the cab last time I used one though.

JVM is a better choice for the clean/crunch type thing, right? Has anybody else experienced them sounding thin?

Just dunno if the EVH isn't a little too modern and high gain for what I do.

 

[Lord Toneking]

Still tempted by a JVM despite playing them and occasionally finding them great and occasionally a bit meh and thin. Thinking it could have been the cab last time I used one though.

JVM is a better choice for the clean/crunch type thing, right? Has anybody else experienced them sounding thin?

Just dunno if the EVH isn't a little too modern and high gain for what I do.

My buddy has a JVM and I simply cannot stand that amp. I will agree with the EVH being very modern sounding. Im struggling with mine as well right now. Too bad you dont have many Splawns at your disposal over there. I'd love to hear your thoughts if given the opportunity to play thru one

 

[carlygtr]

I like the EVH and have even wanted one at times, but I'd take the newer Joe Satriani JVM over it in a heartbeat.

 

[dfrattaroli]

I had the JVM210H. I really dug that amp. But it was alot more compressed than older Marshalls so keep that in mind. Pretty modern as well. Also, the amp was pretty noisy. Nothing a gate wouldn't fix but I'm not surprised JS had a gate built into it. Much like his old Peavey JSX which was also very gainy.

 

[Random Hero]

I really like the EVH but I need more lower/mid gain inbetween type tones and rock kinda gain than I need ch3. It's great for some leads but it's also a bit scooped and modern.

The JVM is basically the same thing at a slightly different speed though isn't it? Excels at similar things to the EVH but with an EL34/Marshall slant? Maybe it's a pointless move?

 

[Gainfreak]

I really like the EVH but I need more lower/mid gain inbetween type tones and rock kinda gain than I need ch3. It's great for some leads but it's also a bit scooped and modern.

The JVM is basically the same thing at a slightly different speed though isn't it? Excels at similar things to the EVH but with an EL34/Marshall slant? Maybe it's a pointless move?

I think that you can get your 5150 to work and you need to experiment more with the amp and maybe add some pedals.

I played the 5150 III 50 and I thought the crunch channel sounded great. If you set the gain low and kick in a boost pedal it's almost like adding another channel IMHO.

I use a digitech GSP1101 with my JVM to control the Midi and I use it for all of my effects. I think that you could look into adding one of those to your rig becuse you can custom tailor it to your needs. If the lead sounds to scooped you can add in a hint of Parametric EQ on the GSP to bump up the mids.

This is just another solution ,but to answer your question, Im positive that you could do a gig with a JVM (which is my main amp BTW) or a 5150 III 50, you just need to play around with it.

I play in a Journey tribute band which isnt about high gain at all but Im sure I could get a 5150 to work. The thing is that I was thinking about swapping out my JVM to 1 5150 III 50 because it weighs only 30lb or so lol

 

[Lriagan]

I like the EVH and have even wanted one at times, but I'd take the newer Joe Satriani JVM over it in a heartbeat.

+1 on this.

The price of the JVM JS model is about $100 more than a normal JVM. For overall versatility, the JVM will rock the house. Not to mention the added features of the new model.

Again, wait until the hype dies down so the American price drops by about $1000. But, if your close to the boarder... Canadia Land has them for $1799-$1899.

 

[glassjaw7]

Haven't compared the 50 watt (never played it) but the 100w EVH blows the JVM out of the water IMO. I don't know what it is about the JVM but I really didn't like it much. Your "meh and thin" description is right on in my book. It's very lackluster and generic/uninspiring to me.

 

[nevusofota]

I don't understand the "5150III is too much high gain" comment. That's why there are 2 other channels.

 

[Spaceboy]

The 50w EVH takes boosts like a champ. I can get some great sounds from channel one and two with various boosts for flavors. I honestly don't use channel three much, even for high-gain death metal stuff. I crank the gain on channel two and use a modded OD808. The amp can seem a little thin sometimes, but gets juicier when cranked and sounds amazing in front of a microphone. Using a Vintage 30 and SM57, there's not a single bad mic position. It sounds great no matter what I do.

But... that Satriani JVM does look spectacular, and the onboard noise gates is something more modern amps should have.

 

[Random Hero]

Yeah, I know you can turn the gain down. And I love the amp. Just an itch too really.

 

[carlygtr]

I liked your old Bogner vids. The EVH isn't too far removed from that, in some ways might be better or easier to set up.
The JVM isn't thinner, but it's a Marshall, it will be treblier. I had one and found it had too much gain in the high gain channels. Tried turning the gain down and the bright cap really starts coming into play, which for me was too bright.

The Satriani model seems to have a handle on all the original JVM shortcomings.

You want some Marshall high mid cut get one of the BSM Treble Boosters and use it on the EVH's ch. 2

 

[thiswaythatway]

Haven't compared the 50 watt (never played it) but the 100w EVH blows the JVM out of the water IMO. I don't know what it is about the JVM but I really didn't like it much. Your "meh and thin" description is right on in my book. It's very lackluster and generic/uninspiring to me.

The JVM sounds like it would be perfect for me but I keep trying them and walk away not wanting one, maybe it's the cabinets they're one....I don't know. They have boat loads of gain but they sound like they thin out if you lower the gain. I had better luck with a DSL boosted with a Boss SD-1 on a Greenback cab.

But I'd be looking at the Yngwie or Satch amp if I were looking to get a new Marshall. If volume wasn't an issue for me I'd just get a JCM800 with a Boss SD-1. Get a good JCM and you won't have to mod the thing to get "that" tone.

 

[Random Hero]

I have a Greenback (Heritage G12M) loaded cab already so I'm thinking that will really work.

I too liked my Bogner tones. What to do, what to do.

 

[MrDan666]

If you wanted the JVM to do lower gain tones better, you might like the amp with a Choke installed. It not only feels better but sounds better too. I installed a choke in a JVM210H for a friend about a year ago and it was a major improvement IMO. Seemed to do both low and high gain tones much better after the choke installation.

 

[Random Hero]

Thought about installing a choke, yeah. Easy mod, apparently?

 

[MrDan666]

Thought about installing a choke, yeah. Easy mod, apparently?

It requires removing the entire PCB from the amp, and drilling a few holes in the chassis. Not a difficult job for a qualified tech but might be confusing for anyone who's not.

 

[RockNRun]

I briefly had a JVM410 and thought it was a nice amp for lead tones, where its strong suit was that it played very nicely in mixes with other high gain amps. A little noisy, but nothing out of control. And now I've had a 5150 III 50w for a few days and they're both simply different animals...but I much prefer this because although it can't do as many tones as the JVM, not to mention none of them really being in the true Marshall vein, what it does do, it does better IMO. Angry sounding, not so polished & polite. I haven't messed around much with the green channel, but I would think cranking the gain up there will reveal some nice lower gain, vintagey tones, they're just not your traditional Marshall type, which is fine because I know where to go to get that. Already have it actually. Add a pedal to the mix on either the green or blue channels and I could make the 5150 III 50w my 'desert island' amp, where that used to be the Budda. Both are nice amps. Can't go wrong with either.

 

[Random Hero]

Thought about installing a choke, yeah. Easy mod, apparently?

It requires removing the entire PCB from the amp, and drilling a few holes in the chassis. Not a difficult job for a qualified tech but might be confusing for anyone who's not.

Gotcha.

 

[Badronald]

People seem to love the 5150III. I haven't played one but I also haven't heard one clip that I even remotely like. The clips all sound very average to bad.