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I use Boss MD500, has a couple of settings, including CE-1, sounds pretty good.
Some clippage with MD500.
Some clippage with MD500.
Thanks for the post, it is nice to talk about chorus and gain for a change vs just cleans. Who the hell is playing clean 80% of the time anyway? The CH-1 is def has that metallic quality to it but at least with gain, it more or less sounds good. Not to warbly and over bearing. I also don't think that when it is off, there is that much tone suck. That's another great point you make about pedals, what are their buffers doing to your tone? I used to leave the digitech bad monkey on my board just for it's buffer. I liked what it did when it was off. Having since kept the Koko booster there for that reason, it became redundant. But you are 100% right, there is def a diff between plugged straight in and going through a bunch of pedals. It's such a game finding the right mix. Buffer sounds great but you like the pedal less, this pedal plays bad with that one, before or after pedal X etc etc... if you really want to get anal about it, you can go in an endless circle. Maybe back in the day when there were less pedals things were easier. They didn't seem to care as much about tone suck they just piled pedals on top of one another until it was a usable sound.That 'metallic' quality is definitely NOT present in a vintage CE-2. With a CE-3 and CH-1, yes.
Big fan of subtle chorus on cleans and occasionally as a guilty pleasure or for matching original tones, on high gain as well.
I tried a whole bunch, still own a whole bunch, and sold the MXR Analog Chorus (light blue one) twice. Loved the sound, but hated the buffer; it sucks tremendous high-end when turned off. Tried it pre-amp, in the fx-loop, in a true bypass box's loop, with different buffered pedals in front of it, or without...
Another thing when using high gain with chorus, is that you need the right one, or it can severely 'neuter' your tone in terms of punch.
I almost exclusively use chorus pedals in the fx-loop of any amp.
I had an EHX NeoClone, that seemed to be almost in the wrong phase for high gain, creating a very limp, distortion.
Even the rather refined Anadime Providence chorus pedals -I had both the ADC-3 and ADC-4 and sold them- didn't play well with high gain. Lovely with clean tones, just not that great distorted. Same with the MXR Bass Chorus Deluxe; kinda clinical for guitar, but at least no tone-suck. Also had and sold the tiny Ammoon Chorus (too much mid-boost and bass-cut) and the Deltalab SC-1 (don't even remember how it sounded, I just remember it was a letdown).
Chorus pedals I do like and that worked well with high gain:
vintage Ibanez BC9, vintage MXR Micro Chorus, vintage Boss CE-2, vintage DOD 690 (with the cool ramp-up/down function between the 2 speeds), vintage DOD FX-60, Mooer Ensemble King, Zoom Choir 5050...and, aside from the horrible buffer/tone-suck, the MXR Analog Chorus.
I believe he began using the EM around the Permanent Waves era.
I had a couple of these, but I just couldn't bond with them. Too hi-fi to my ears. I also had two of the old TC analog rack flangers, along with the TC2290 delay. Same thing... too hi-fi. As far as digital delays go, I should have kept my Lexicon PCM42. If I were a jazz guy, the TC rig would have been perfect. As for hybrid flanger/chorusing, the ADA Flanger is my go-to. The FoxRox TZF is praised, but don't care for it. It does a worthy through-zero effect, but it's the most non-user friendly flanger that I have ever owned. The smaller ADA PBF is just about as good as it gets, IMO. As far as strict chorusing, the CE-1 and Rockman Stereo Chorus, rule! Tom Scholz used a Roland RE-301 for chorusing; which may be where he kyped the design.^^^^ Sounds great!
Next to the original CE-1 this one was another favorite.
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Their new stuff is good, but not the same at all.
old analog ADA STD-1 rack unit.
That IS digital…Back in the mid 80s I worked for ADS and they owned DeltaLab at the time.
Was so cool cause I got one at cost. Digital units will NEVER match this shit.
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The Effectron II is a digital delay. A great delay, but not analog. The Chandler Echo uses one of the cheapest looking PCB's you'll ever see, but man, it's one great sounding echo box.Back in the mid 80s I worked for ADS and they owned DeltaLab at the time.
Was so cool cause I got one at cost. Digital units will NEVER match this shit.
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It's an acquired thing. Had my introduction to chorusing been through, say... Nirvana, I would likely despise the effect. My introduction to chorusing was Boston's debut album. Tom Scholtz and Barry Goudreau used chorusing to capture that slow-speed Leslie cabinet live sound. The Uni-Vibe pedal does a better job at capturing mid to high speed Leslie sounds. At low speed, the Uni-Vibe really becomes its own effect. To my ears, a good chorus does a better job at slow-speed sound expansion; as the Leslie cabinet "lope" is barely perceivable when mixed wet/dry.I honestly just can't stand chorus. It sounds cheesy to me no matter what. It's one of those things I think I was a little too late to the party for.
I use this and am totally happy with itLove my little blue MXR analog chorus. Use it for cleans as well as that 80's Rock chorus sound