Arpegiod / Sweep licks

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Hey RT

What are you guys playing at the moment?

Anyone wanna share any Arpeggio/Sweep Arpeggios that they are practising at the moment? or just learnt? or heard some cool ones in a new/old song?

alway;s keen to see more Arpeggio/Sweep Arpeggio progressions.

I dont know too many and wanna see some more!

Arpeggio/Sweep Arpeggio's ive learnt lately are the ones in hotel california ( :lol: :LOL: ) and sultains of swing

Also a few in Alitutdes by jason becker (which ive recently just discovered :scared: )

Halford
 
From Yngwie: Liar, Demon Driver, Deja Vu, The 7th Sign, Never Die, Rising Force, Fire & Ice etc.

Check out SymphonyX's Smoke and Mirros intro which is a good practise for 5 string sweeps then Becker's Serrana and then... too many to mention. :D
 
i am stuck on diminished, harmonic minor (aeolan), and phrygian (key of E or Em).

i just move them around the neck into different key notations for whatever im playing.

thats really all for arpeggios. i usually do my own modal changes mainly, i think better in a modal standpoint up and down the neck, which spans the two modes above plus dorian and ionian (sp?) as well.

i have a very minor mindset to music now as you can tell. it has alot to do with the darker progessive metal that i prefer. romeo, yngwie, and dimebag are to blame :rock:
 
Jason is my idol on life, i have actually spoken to him personally to let him know this - which was really cool :D

he was just a monster back in his day.

when it comes to arpeggios, i believe romeo has everyone beat - he applies the sweeps in a manner that isnt so obvious, and makes great musical compositions from them.

check out chris impellitteri :rock:

 
This is a good one to start with. This is the first Yngwie solo I ever learned. It's More triads than full arpeggios.

 
I'm not any good at doing sweeps ( I pick hard, I don't have the looseness in my wrist :doh: ) but some cool ones are:

Nevermore - psalm ov lydia
Theory in Practice - Colonizing the sun :rock:
Cacophony - Speed metal symphony
Winds - Visions of Perfection

There's some good sweeps in the last solo of Kissing the Shadows by Children ov Bodom, although it's a boring tune.

One Badass RIFF with sweeps by Origin is Staring from the Abyss... :rock: :rock:

and yeah, any Michael Roemo/Symphony X song has badass sweepage
 
Maybe thats my problem too. I want to learn to sweep more than anything and it just doesn't work :cry: It pisses me off so much, I practice and practice but I just cant do them.
 
Maybe thats my problem too. I want to learn to sweep more than anything and it just doesn't work :cry: It pisses me off so much, I practice and practice but I just cant do them.
 
chunktone":4vz5zg3m said:
This is a good one to start with. This is the first Yngwie solo I ever learned. It's More triads than full arpeggios.


Alcatraz is great, lots of great techniques from Yngwie on this album. I too would love to master some of the sweeping methods.
 
I've been learning a lot of Nevermore and Between the Buried and Me songs for help with my lead work. Both bands write some very cool sweeping patterns.
 
I dunno how experienced you are with sweep picking but if you're starting to practise, here could be a nice lick for starters:

d= down picking
u= up picking



-----3--2--1--4----1--2--3--2--1--4-----1--2--3--finger
E|--------12-17-p-12----------12-17-p-12---------
B|-----13------------13----13--------------13------
G|--14------------------14---------------------14---
D|-------------------------------------------------
A|-------------------------------------------------
E|-------------------------------------------------
......d.d.d...u......u...d..d..d...u.......u..d

EDIT: It's hard to get those fingerings and picking directions to be at correct slots. :D
 
Here are 3 different fingerings (the most common ones, I think) for playing major and minor arpeggios on 5 & 6 strings:

h = hammer-on
p = pull-off
d = down picking
u = up picking


Code:
E-minor:

.....1...4...2..3...2..1...4...1..2.3..2.4..1.....finger
E---------------------7-h-12-p-7-------------------
B------------------8--------------8-----------------
G---------------9-------------------9---------------
D------------9------------------------9------------
A----7-h-10------------------------------10-7-----
E-------------------------------------------------
.....d.......d..d..d..d...u......u..u.u..u..d

Hammer the 3-7, tap the 12th fret and pull-off the 7-3:

.....4..2..1..3...1...4....4...1...3..1..2..4...........finger
E-----------------3-h-7-12-7-p-3-------------------------
B--------------5---------t---------5---------------------
G----------4-------------------------4-------------------
D-------5-------------------------------5----------------
A----7-------------------------------------7-------------
E-------------------------------------------------------
.....d..d..d...d..d................u.u..u..u


......1...4....3...3...1..1...1...1...1...3..3..4...1....finger
E-----------------------------12-------------------------
B-------------------------12-----12---------------------
G---------------------12-------------12-----------------
D-----------------14---------------------14-------------
A-------------14----------------------------14-----------
E----12-h-15------------------------------------15-12--
.....d........d....d...d...d..d..u...u...u..u...u..d


E-Major:

......1...4..3..3..3..1...4....1..3..3..3..4..1.......finger
E---------------------7-h-12-p-7---------------------
B------------------9--------------9------------------
G---------------9--------------------9---------------
D------------9--------------------------9------------
A----7-h-11-------------------------------11-7-----
E--------------------------------------------------


.....4..3..1..2..1...4....4...1...2.1..3...4.................
E----------------4-h-7-12-7-p-4--------------------------
B-------------5---------t---------5-----------------------
G----------4------------------------4--------------------
D-------6------------------------------6-----------------
A----7------------------------------------7--------------
E-------------------------------------------------------


......1...4...3....3...2...1...1...1...2...3...3...4..1....
E------------------------------12--------------------------
B--------------------------12-----12----------------------
G---------------------13--------------13------------------
D-----------------14----------------------14--------------
A-------------14------------------------------14----------
E----12-h-16--------------------------------------16-12--
 
The main thing I see students doing incorrectly is rushing through it. Go slow at first. There are a few things to keep in mind, and they may seem obvious;

Don't separate the strokes. Let the pick "fall" from string to string. Think of it as dragging, or pulling the pick when doing upstrokes, and pushing the pick for downstrokes.

It's as much a left hand technique as it is a right hand technique. Students frequently use illogical fingerings and position shifts when attempting arpeggios. If you are doing a stock A minor shape starting with your pinky on the A string, the best fingering is: A12 pinky, D10 middle, G9 index, B10 middle, E8 Index, E12 pinky, E8 Index, B10 MIDDLE (not ring, which many players try), etc. Having consistent fingerings is very important. If you want to turn a shape around with two notes on the top string, you may want to utilize slurs for the turnaround, and let the picking resume on the B string. Resist the urge to speed up during the top portion of a shape. Uniform rhythm is important during the learning process.

Go slowly, in time with a click. Try specific rhythms, such as quarter notes, eighths, sixteenths, and then triplets. In case you don't know, Quarter= 1 note per beat, Eighth= 2 per beat, Sixteenth = 4 per beat, and eighth note triplets are 3 notes per beat. It's very common to try to rush through arpeggios with no rhythm, and it just sounds cluttered.

I personally feel that arpeggios sound best at a moderate tempo. Let people actually hear the notes you choose, and the effect will be more interesting.

As far as note choices, attempt more than triads and diminished 7 arpeggios. There are many, many great arpeggio sounds that aren't commonly utilized (sevenths, sus2 and 4, Major and Minor 9, Minor 11, Dominant9,11,13, altered dominant, sixths, etc.)

If you are already competent with triads, you can get 7ths and extensions simply by tapping a high note on the E string. It's a very common technique, but most players tap notes that are in the triad (root, third, fifth), but there is nothing stopping you from tapping more interesting intervals (9th, #4, 13th, etc).

To get arpeggios sounding clean with a lot of gain, you may want to utilize the neck pickup, and be cautious when sweeping near a harmonic node. When you take a finger off of a harmonic node (12th, 7th, and 5th frets, for instance) at high gain levels, it's very easy to get an unintentional harmonic. A simple hair tie around the neck can remedy this, if no amount of effort seems to alleviate the problem.
 
Also, when speaking about fretting hand technique, a player needs to learn how to mute the played notes by lifting the finger slighty up so that the note gets chocked. It's as important as muting with picking hand, IMO.
 
Jakem":3evli26k said:
Also, when speaking about fretting hand technique, a player needs to learn how to mute the played notes by lifting the finger slighty up so that the note gets chocked. It's as important as muting with picking hand, IMO.
Great point, I should have mentioned that.
 
I find it helpful to look at the arpeggios in relation to chord shapes. If you play an AMajor chord at the 5th fret. you have 1,5,1,3,5,1. These are the notes as they relate to the A major scale. The formula for a major chord and a major arpeggio are the same, 1,3,5 and repeat for the second octave. so, back to the full barre chord at the 5th fret. If you just add the 3rd at the 9th fret on both E strings, your good to go! I hope this help you to visualise the shapes. Go slow. The speed will come later.
 
Start with two string rakes and a hammer pull - 8th fret B string downstroke to 7th fret E string Hammer to 10th fret E string Pulloff to 7th fret E string - this gives you time to reset the pick, then do it again - pick should go down towards the floor when you pick the B and E strings, no alternate picking, downstroke b string, downstroke e string SMOOTHLY then hammer/pull repeat.

Do it slowly so each note has the same duration, and build speed carefully. Practice it clean too, if you can't play something clean you probably shouldn't be playing it with overdrive either. This is why a lot of guys sound like ass when they play fast - they are used to all the gain hiding their shitty technique.

If you can't do a two string rake like this, there's no way you can properly do a 3,4,5, or 6 string sweep. it's all the same technique. When I used to teach for a living I saw a lot of people immediately try to jump into 6 string sweeps... that's not the way to learn it.

Pete
 
Awsome!

Wow lots of stuff to get through tonight :)

Im sure i will be posting when i go through some of it!

Halford
 
Jakem":jxz6an1l said:
From Yngwie: Liar, Demon Driver, Deja Vu, The 7th Sign, Never Die, Rising Force, Fire & Ice etc.

Check out SymphonyX's Smoke and Mirros intro which is a good practise for 5 string sweeps then Becker's Serrana and then... too many to mention. :D

Love the triad(?) sequence in Rising force!!!

Another one that reminds me of that is Fast as a Shark by Accept

2.15 - what a fucking amazing video as well by ACCEPT

 
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