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I’m considering pairing two V60s with them or maybe just get all four V75s because they’re much too loud to mix with my T75s
Avatar, Fane, and WGS speakers - An ongoing thread with summarized results
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In your opinion, what would warm the AV75s up a bit more, a couple AV60s, or AV90s?
Or , which has less highs , the 60s, or 90s?
Thanks.
Music&Chaos
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The AV60s are heavily mid flavored and very tight. Very much focused onhigh mids - so I am uncertain if this will sit where you want in the spectrum, but will test it mixed in my 2x12 with a closed back.
I actually have another 2x12 cabinet with AV90s in it.
Let me run my AV75s together with the AV90s and see what I can surmise.
Mind you, these are 2 different cabinets that will be closed back but still....
Let me test the 75s with the 90s and see what I think about it.
The AV75 mixed with the Fane M65 is extremely vocal, maybe to vocal for some if I recall but has an eased top end and tight bass with Mid focus, just in a different way than the 60s - I need to test this again as well.
Give me just a bit and I will post an update on the AV75 mixed with various speakers.
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All AV75s would not be a bad choice tbh..... you have everything you need from the sound spectrum. the highs and lows are extended but are very responsive and can always be reigned back. Mixing is a fun endeavor though.
The speaker sensitivity rating is what you want to look at when pairing 2 speakers more than almost anything else IMO - this will balance the volume levels.
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I appreciate you offering to do those mixes for me, and I don’t want you to have to do all that, unless you want to. I have a 4x12 of greenbacks, and a 4x12 of T75s . Maybe for now I could try putting an AV75 on the bottom of each cab and see if it evens out the volume a bit, Kinda unorthodoxed but I’m willing to try. Both AV75s in one cab just overpowered it too much.
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Have you thought about putting the AV75s in the 4x12 with the T75s but not connecting the Ts? Just for testing?
The Ts have a db rating of 97, pretty darn low. Almost any new speaker just about is going to swamp those out.
You may find 2 AV75s as loud as multiple T 75s and dig it.
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I didn’t run them by themselves like that, but that’s a good idea.
My main objective is to get all AVs in one cab. So maybe all AV75s will be the way to go.
My only concern is that my Marshall is bright, so that’s why I’m contemplating a mix to roll off the top end a bit. If I mix it would be either the AV60 or AV90.
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Running mainly a Marshall? Let me swap to that amp for testing and get back at you this evening if i can.
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Very cool! Thank you!
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I have already done some testing on my little Marshall, which is a JCM 800 style circuit but Mosfet instead of tube.
That being said - AV75s mixed with the 90s adds too much bottom end in areas I do not like.
Mind you, this is in 2 separate cabs running like a 4x12 instead mixed in the same one.
The jet city vertical on wheels normally is fairly mid centered in some ways, so this could also be affecting the speakers, but all cabs have their own sound.
Running the Marshall into just the AV75s sounds pretty wicked - even with dials at noon. Sounds better with the treble notched down a bit, as usual.
What wattage is your amp head? I recall someone mentioned the AV30s are like the AV75s but more centered/less top and bottom.
I have yet to be able to try them but I believe @EyesOfTheSouth! may have tried an AV30.
I would highly recommend running your Marshall through the AV75s alone/without the T75s in the mix and see what you think.
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Man that’s awesome that you’d do all that for me !
I really appreciate your advice, and time . I was communicating with a fella on YT who actually has a couple high gain videos up . Just short videos through a 4x12., and he said he preferred the AV75 and AV60s over the 90s.
That confirms your findings also.
He uses a Synergy amp, sounds glorious.
In the meantime I went ahead and put a AV75 in the bottom of each cab, and it has pretty much solved the volume imbalance.
That AV75 is such a fun speaker, and like you say it has the EVH vibe big time.
I really appreciate your advice, and time . I was communicating with a fella on YT who actually has a couple high gain videos up . Just short videos through a 4x12., and he said he preferred the AV75 and AV60s over the 90s.
That confirms your findings also.
He uses a Synergy amp, sounds glorious.
In the meantime I went ahead and put a AV75 in the bottom of each cab, and it has pretty much solved the volume imbalance.
That AV75 is such a fun speaker, and like you say it has the EVH vibe big time.
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Let me see how the AV75 sounds mixed in with a closed back 2x12.
Give me a bit and I will report back.
Edit: I mean the AV60 mixed with the 75.
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@Overdrive 1 Joping to get the AV60 testing done today at volume and see what the results are. Will let you know for sure. My initial thoughts are that the added extra high mids are going to be a bit much, but I could be wrong. We shall see!
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Kool! The guy on YT said he’s currently running that mix in his 4x12. I think his videos are all four AV75s though. He seems happy with the AV75/AV60 mix.
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I do not think you will be displeased with the AV60 mix. It adds a certain mid squish under the fingers that the AV75 doesn't quite have. I think this combination has a pleasing cleanand overdrive tone, though I found a certain squish in various bass frequencies, I am not certain it is necessarily a bad thing.
If you wanted some more mid squish, but with a bit more retained clarity, slightly more prominent/vocal mids, and a tighter bass, I would recommend you think about mixing Avatar-UK Fane M65s with the AV75s.
I left the knobs at noon and it sounds great in the closed back cabinet. Slammin tight metal rights through some alnico II humbuckers and the M65 X AV75 is just more fun to me currently to play than the AV60 X AV75.
I would say that the AV60 combination will definitely warm things up and thickens up without being too overbearing, as I thought it would be, in the upper mids.
Definitely a nice selection/mix with the AV60, and at $99 a speaker, it's worth trying to see what you think in your own 4x12.
The AV60 mixes more evenly with the AV75 (Equal) as opposed to the slight off-balance presented with the M65.
Let us know what you go with!
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Great information, and much appreciated!
Hearing that the AV60 will warm things up a bit is a good thing in my situation.
If anything, the only addition that I hear needed in the AV75 is a “touch” of warmth, but it’s perhaps splitting hairs, and just what I’m perceiving.
The AV75s are really special, I love them so far.
They fit perfectly in the mix with one in each 412, but placed on the bottom.
It’s easy to dial in or out, how much of those beautiful extended highs you want, where other speakers just don’t have them at all.
Pushed them a little yesterday, and they add an efficient brilliance that was lacking.
Hearing that the AV60 will warm things up a bit is a good thing in my situation.
If anything, the only addition that I hear needed in the AV75 is a “touch” of warmth, but it’s perhaps splitting hairs, and just what I’m perceiving.
The AV75s are really special, I love them so far.
They fit perfectly in the mix with one in each 412, but placed on the bottom.
It’s easy to dial in or out, how much of those beautiful extended highs you want, where other speakers just don’t have them at all.
Pushed them a little yesterday, and they add an efficient brilliance that was lacking.
Music&Chaos
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The AV75s have an extension that is unreal.
Yeah, I can see where the top end could warm up just a touch - as you said - developing nigh on the perfect speaker here.....
Using open or ported cabinet, it lets the mids breathe much more in the 75s and pushes the top end back.
In a closed cabinet situation, a mix is definitely more desirable.
I would go X pattern and let it rip.
Looking forward to your report on the AV60s mixed in with the 75s.
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The AV75s do indeed have a certain top-end definition that can be a bit intense - though it can basically be dialed back/out.
Mixed in the M65 and there was too much 'something' on the top end for my tastes for my Rivera but works pretty well with a Marshall.
Disliked the M65 on it's own with my Rivera but man does this work well for the Marshall.
The AV60 mixes in better for sure, but adds a different flavor to the spectrum - pretty great overall for either amp setup.
Listening back to the Avatar line - I may want to check out an AV30.
AV30s sound extremely similar to the AV75s but do not sound like they quite have that top end click.
The AV50 sounds thick, and may work well mixed with the AV75 but in the demo, it kinda sounds a bit muddy in places, hard to say.
The description of the AV50 matches what I mostly run - an American amp with an open back cab.
May list up an AV90 from my set for sale to help fund another purchase.
If I can get some guitar work in or sell some things, maybe I will grab a pair of AV speakers to round out the AV series.
I already need to record speaker demos of the several Avatar speaker I have but if I had the remaining two from the series....
Time will tell.
Mixed in the M65 and there was too much 'something' on the top end for my tastes for my Rivera but works pretty well with a Marshall.
Disliked the M65 on it's own with my Rivera but man does this work well for the Marshall.
The AV60 mixes in better for sure, but adds a different flavor to the spectrum - pretty great overall for either amp setup.
Listening back to the Avatar line - I may want to check out an AV30.
AV30s sound extremely similar to the AV75s but do not sound like they quite have that top end click.
The AV50 sounds thick, and may work well mixed with the AV75 but in the demo, it kinda sounds a bit muddy in places, hard to say.
The description of the AV50 matches what I mostly run - an American amp with an open back cab.
May list up an AV90 from my set for sale to help fund another purchase.
If I can get some guitar work in or sell some things, maybe I will grab a pair of AV speakers to round out the AV series.
I already need to record speaker demos of the several Avatar speaker I have but if I had the remaining two from the series....
Time will tell.
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I was curious about the AV50 also, but the British flavor is what I’m really drawn to.
I think I got a bit lucky with the speaker mix I have going. Total of 6 speakers at 97/98db, and 2 speakers at 100db. The trick was placing the AVs on the bottom of each cab.
It’s actually working so well that I’d only need to get two more AVs if I downsize to one cab, but I’m thinking AV60s would be the ones.
I doubt they’d cancel out that beautiful top end of the AV75, and would add some warmth based on your research.
Plus, with a stereo cab I’d still be able to run two heads into the single cab since the AVs are decent wattage.
I think I got a bit lucky with the speaker mix I have going. Total of 6 speakers at 97/98db, and 2 speakers at 100db. The trick was placing the AVs on the bottom of each cab.
It’s actually working so well that I’d only need to get two more AVs if I downsize to one cab, but I’m thinking AV60s would be the ones.
I doubt they’d cancel out that beautiful top end of the AV75, and would add some warmth based on your research.
Plus, with a stereo cab I’d still be able to run two heads into the single cab since the AVs are decent wattage.
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How cool is that?
This is an ongoing thread, so I will be posting various findings as I update cables, change the rig slightly, etc.
I do find the AV60 mix rather enjoyable though overall for whatever reason, I just come back to solely the AV75s for my current setup but dial some stuff down a touch.
Will do another thread update once I get some recordings done or I get new speakers in to test and write up a summary.
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