Axe gas is getting to me!!

[prsdiezel]

NUMBER 5................

don't look now


here comes the Axe Fx haters crew


Axe Fx

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man..."

 

[* velcro-fly *]

I'm sure Mark has posted this clip but here it is again, I think this sounds so incredible!!!!! It makes me want one of these things so bad!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NXunIvK ... re=related

Before you get too jacked up, give Hawkey a call first and ask him what he thought of mine in person - not recorded tones (where I think this box really shines)

 

[ttosh]

I think what Cliff posted IMHO is the strong point for me when I owned the Standard and the Ultra. Recording is great with the unit. I had no problems getting great guitar tones from it either. My main complaints was I felt even though it felt like an amp, all the sims were almost exactly the same feeling, as if playing the same amp. Also my presets that sounded good got lost in the band mix really fast, and unlike an amp it was more work than I wanted to put in to tweak them. I have had to tweak my amps in this context before, but having everything from amp to fx, pa sims etc... all in the same box and each thing just seemed to roller coaster for me when I tried to tweak. After a few practices and hearing our other guitar player across the room playing his tube amps and smiling while I was tweaking to get to where he was I said no more for me.

The above only is a testament to my thoughts and how it works for me in my situation. With more time I know it could feel and sound like x number of amps, but just the experience in general was not fun and even at sounding its best I like the overall tone and feel of my tube amp better. Each person will feel different about it and have different uses for it. No Axe FX hate here, just was not for me.

 

[ejecta]

I think what Cliff posted IMHO is the strong point for me when I owned the Standard and the Ultra. Recording is great with the unit. I had no problems getting great guitar tones from it either. My main complaints was I felt even though it felt like an amp, all the sims were almost exactly the same feeling, as if playing the same amp. Also my presets that sounded good got lost in the band mix really fast, and unlike an amp it was more work than I wanted to put in to tweak them. I have had to tweak my amps in this context before, but having everything from amp to fx, pa sims etc... all in the same box and each thing just seemed to roller coaster for me when I tried to tweak. After a few practices and hearing our other guitar player across the room playing his tube amps and smiling while I was tweaking to get to where he was I said no more for me.

The above only is a testament to my thoughts and how it works for me in my situation. With more time I know it could feel and sound like x number of amps, but just the experience in general was not fun and even at sounding its best I like the overall tone and feel of my tube amp better. Each person will feel different about it and have different uses for it. No Axe FX hate here, just was not for me.

You mean you dont like blow up dolls?

 

[ejecta]

NUMBER 6

EJECTA "Hey if you are going say I misstated what you meant then tell me where I went wrong instead of typing an insult."

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

For the gigging guitarist it doesnt get much better...my rig went down to a third of the size it was when I bought the axe...I still use my head and a 2x12 cab in conjunction with it as it clearly isnt the answer to everything, but Ive heard lots more guys with shitty live tones coming out of flavor of the month tube amps than
with an Axe Fx...simply because in my opinion the people that use the Axe Fx live know that it takes a lot of tweaking to make it work and most people that read on an internet forum that they should buy a tube amp dont know how to dial it in anyway....bottom line..if you can dial in a great sound on an amp and you understand the properties of what makes a great guitar sound, you can make it happen with the Axe Fx...you just have to spend the time.

The next part of the equation is the fact that nobody but possibly a handful of guitar players in a room you're gigging in knows the difference. Most of them wouldn't know either if it werent for the lack of "insert tube head here" sitting on a cabinet.

Does it feel like a tube amp, to a degree yes....does it sound like one...if you spend the time, yes...especially in the context of a band....and its two spaces and weighs under 20 pounds...seems pretty worthy to me.

 

[sebby123]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

For the gigging guitarist it doesnt get much better...my rig went down to a third of the size it was when I bought the axe...I still use my head and a 2x12 cab in conjunction with it as it clearly isnt the answer to everything, but Ive heard lots more guys with shitty live tones coming out of flavor of the month tube amps than
with an Axe Fx...simply because in my opinion the people that use the Axe Fx live know that it takes a lot of tweaking to make it work and most people that read on an internet forum that they should buy a tube amp dont know how to dial it in anyway....bottom line..if you can dial in a great sound on an amp and you understand the properties of what makes a great guitar sound, you can make it happen with the Axe Fx...you just have to spend the time.

The next part of the equation is the fact that nobody but possibly a handful of guitar players in a room you're gigging in knows the difference. Most of them wouldn't know either if it werent for the lack of "insert tube head here" sitting on a cabinet.

Does it feel like a tube amp, to a degree yes....does it sound like one...if you spend the time, yes...especially in the context of a band....and its two spaces and weighs under 20 pounds...seems pretty worthy to me.

A Huge +1

 

[glassjaw7]

I fucking HATE tubes and digital modeling devices FTW!!! They are all shit! FET transister analog style for me please.

 

[Rogue]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

Well, I haven't seen much "bashing". I've seen people state they could not get it to sound and feel like a good tube amp. I wouldn't claim that was bashing nor do I consider it hating, but somehow, those are terms that are being thrown around in a general way but I'm just not seeing it.

That said, it's been my experience that modelers, including the Axe-FX, capture the tone and feel of high gain amps the best. Cleans next then the lower gain crunchy distortion stuff last. I believe ejecta (fellow Axe-FX basher/hater) feels the same way. I'm not sure about others.

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

Marshall Mosfet 100!

 

[ttosh]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

For the gigging guitarist it doesnt get much better...my rig went down to a third of the size it was when I bought the axe...I still use my head and a 2x12 cab in conjunction with it as it clearly isnt the answer to everything, but Ive heard lots more guys with shitty live tones coming out of flavor of the month tube amps than
with an Axe Fx...simply because in my opinion the people that use the Axe Fx live know that it takes a lot of tweaking to make it work and most people that read on an internet forum that they should buy a tube amp dont know how to dial it in anyway....bottom line..if you can dial in a great sound on an amp and you understand the properties of what makes a great guitar sound, you can make it happen with the Axe Fx...you just have to spend the time.

The next part of the equation is the fact that nobody but possibly a handful of guitar players in a room you're gigging in knows the difference. Most of them wouldn't know either if it werent for the lack of "insert tube head here" sitting on a cabinet.

Does it feel like a tube amp, to a degree yes....does it sound like one...if you spend the time, yes...especially in the context of a band....and its two spaces and weighs under 20 pounds...seems pretty worthy to me.

Well for me I have dialed in tube amps since the 80s and for some applications I use gain and others I do not. I think your overall assessment above states that anybody that does not like the Axe FX is some internet noob and does not know anything if they do not bow to the Axe FX. I tend to state personal facts and figure each of us is different and experienced in different ways, thus success and failure rates are there. Take Killertone he is a great player and knows good tone, one of the best on this forum IMHO, he said the Axe was not for him, but you make it out that he must be a internet noob that cant get good tone, that is just bad taste.

As far as crowds go watching live music, you would be surprised how the non musician knows when something sounds good or not. Well if you are playing the bar scene and everybody is sloshed that may not be the case, but outside of that scene there are some pretty observant people, if you give them a bit of credit anyway. LOL

So many Axe FX users take things way to personal IMHO, if it works for you great, just take a breath and try not to bash everyone else's ability just because they do not agree with you.

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

Well, I haven't seen much "bashing". I've seen people state they could not get it to sound and feel like a good tube amp. I wouldn't claim that was bashing nor do I consider it hating, but somehow, those are terms that are being thrown around in a general way but I'm just not seeing it.

That said, it's been my experience that modelers, including the Axe-FX, capture the tone and feel of high gain amps the best. Cleans next then the lower gain crunchy distortion stuff last. I believe ejecta (fellow Axe-FX basher/hater) feels the same way. I'm not sure about others.

I think you are dead nuts on the money with your evaluation. Im simply saying that it seems like a lot of people( on lots of forums, not just this one) seem to tear the thing apart.... Like I said, it's not the end all be all and I dont think anything will ever replace tubes completely but its getting to the point where its a lot less painless to do fly dates when you can have something like the Axe get you 90 percent there.

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

For the gigging guitarist it doesnt get much better...my rig went down to a third of the size it was when I bought the axe...I still use my head and a 2x12 cab in conjunction with it as it clearly isnt the answer to everything, but Ive heard lots more guys with shitty live tones coming out of flavor of the month tube amps than
with an Axe Fx...simply because in my opinion the people that use the Axe Fx live know that it takes a lot of tweaking to make it work and most people that read on an internet forum that they should buy a tube amp dont know how to dial it in anyway....bottom line..if you can dial in a great sound on an amp and you understand the properties of what makes a great guitar sound, you can make it happen with the Axe Fx...you just have to spend the time.

The next part of the equation is the fact that nobody but possibly a handful of guitar players in a room you're gigging in knows the difference. Most of them wouldn't know either if it werent for the lack of "insert tube head here" sitting on a cabinet.

Does it feel like a tube amp, to a degree yes....does it sound like one...if you spend the time, yes...especially in the context of a band....and its two spaces and weighs under 20 pounds...seems pretty worthy to me.

I can see how that would be taken offensively. I shouldnt have generalized so much. Ive had my Axe for about 4 months and am just starting to get to a point where I can make it do what I want to. I think lots of people do jump ship too quickly with it though. I used to use a Boogie Mark IV and that took almost as much tweking to make sound right as this thing did and I had it for 10 years. Sorry for being a prick!

Well for me I have dialed in tube amps since the 80s and for some applications I use gain and others I do not. I think your overall assessment above states that anybody that does not like the Axe FX is some internet noob and does not know anything if they do not bow to the Axe FX. I tend to state personal facts and figure each of us is different and experienced in different ways, thus success and failure rates are there. Take Killertone he is a great player and knows good tone, one of the best on this forum IMHO, he said the Axe was not for him, but you make it out that he must be a internet noob that cant get good tone, that is just bad taste.

As far as crowds go watching live music, you would be surprised how the non musician knows when something sounds good or not. Well if you are playing the bar scene and everybody is sloshed that may not be the case, but outside of that scene there are some pretty observant people, if you give them a bit of credit anyway. LOL

So many Axe FX users take things way to personal IMHO, if it works for you great, just take a breath and try not to bash everyone else's ability just because they do not agree with you.

 

[ttosh]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

For the gigging guitarist it doesnt get much better...my rig went down to a third of the size it was when I bought the axe...I still use my head and a 2x12 cab in conjunction with it as it clearly isnt the answer to everything, but Ive heard lots more guys with shitty live tones coming out of flavor of the month tube amps than
with an Axe Fx...simply because in my opinion the people that use the Axe Fx live know that it takes a lot of tweaking to make it work and most people that read on an internet forum that they should buy a tube amp dont know how to dial it in anyway....bottom line..if you can dial in a great sound on an amp and you understand the properties of what makes a great guitar sound, you can make it happen with the Axe Fx...you just have to spend the time.

The next part of the equation is the fact that nobody but possibly a handful of guitar players in a room you're gigging in knows the difference. Most of them wouldn't know either if it werent for the lack of "insert tube head here" sitting on a cabinet.

Does it feel like a tube amp, to a degree yes....does it sound like one...if you spend the time, yes...especially in the context of a band....and its two spaces and weighs under 20 pounds...seems pretty worthy to me.

I can see how that would be taken offensively. I shouldnt have generalized so much. Ive had my Axe for about 4 months and am just starting to get to a point where I can make it do what I want to. I think lots of people do jump ship too quickly with it though. I used to use a Boogie Mark IV and that took almost as much tweking to make sound right as this thing did and I had it for 10 years. Sorry for being a prick!

Well for me I have dialed in tube amps since the 80s and for some applications I use gain and others I do not. I think your overall assessment above states that anybody that does not like the Axe FX is some internet noob and does not know anything if they do not bow to the Axe FX. I tend to state personal facts and figure each of us is different and experienced in different ways, thus success and failure rates are there. Take Killertone he is a great player and knows good tone, one of the best on this forum IMHO, he said the Axe was not for him, but you make it out that he must be a internet noob that cant get good tone, that is just bad taste.

As far as crowds go watching live music, you would be surprised how the non musician knows when something sounds good or not. Well if you are playing the bar scene and everybody is sloshed that may not be the case, but outside of that scene there are some pretty observant people, if you give them a bit of credit anyway. LOL

So many Axe FX users take things way to personal IMHO, if it works for you great, just take a breath and try not to bash everyone else's ability just because they do not agree with you.

Same here, did not mean to come across anyway but conversing. I can see where you are coming from, and totally agree with the fly dates post above. It definitely has a place and will only get better.

 

[ejecta]

The Axe Fx has its place...and lots of guys who bash it in favor of tube amps use so much damn gain on their tube amp that it sounds like a solid state square wave anyway....so they might as well be playing a modeler.

For the gigging guitarist it doesnt get much better...my rig went down to a third of the size it was when I bought the axe...I still use my head and a 2x12 cab in conjunction with it as it clearly isnt the answer to everything, but Ive heard lots more guys with shitty live tones coming out of flavor of the month tube amps than
with an Axe Fx...simply because in my opinion the people that use the Axe Fx live know that it takes a lot of tweaking to make it work and most people that read on an internet forum that they should buy a tube amp dont know how to dial it in anyway....bottom line..if you can dial in a great sound on an amp and you understand the properties of what makes a great guitar sound, you can make it happen with the Axe Fx...you just have to spend the time.

The next part of the equation is the fact that nobody but possibly a handful of guitar players in a room you're gigging in knows the difference. Most of them wouldn't know either if it werent for the lack of "insert tube head here" sitting on a cabinet.

Does it feel like a tube amp, to a degree yes....does it sound like one...if you spend the time, yes...especially in the context of a band....and its two spaces and weighs under 20 pounds...seems pretty worthy to me.

Well for me I have dialed in tube amps since the 80s and for some applications I use gain and others I do not. I think your overall assessment above states that anybody that does not like the Axe FX is some internet noob and does not know anything if they do not bow to the Axe FX. I tend to state personal facts and figure each of us is different and experienced in different ways, thus success and failure rates are there. Take Killertone he is a great player and knows good tone, one of the best on this forum IMHO, he said the Axe was not for him, but you make it out that he must be a internet noob that cant get good tone, that is just bad taste.

As far as crowds go watching live music, you would be surprised how the non musician knows when something sounds good or not. Well if you are playing the bar scene and everybody is sloshed that may not be the case, but outside of that scene there are some pretty observant people, if you give them a bit of credit anyway. LOL

So many Axe FX users take things way to personal IMHO, if it works for you great, just take a breath and try not to bash everyone else's ability just because they do not agree with you.

Well said.

BTW I just thought of another good analogy.

AxeFX is like fake boobs, some say they look great and are better than real tits but to me they just don't feel the same.

Why is it most analogies guys think of have to do with sex?

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

That's about the best comparison that could be done.

Real tits under 30 years old...wonderful....after that it's usually hit or miss!

 

[ejecta]

That's about the best comparison that could be done.

Real tits under 30 years old...wonderful....after that it's usually hit or miss!

Aint that the truth. I still like the all natural when it comes to the boobage no matter the age.

I guess if PRSDiezel thinks I'm a tube huger and given the fact I dont care for fake boobs, that would make me a boob huger? Hey I can live with that that.

 

[ttosh]

That's about the best comparison that could be done.

Real tits under 30 years old...wonderful....after that it's usually hit or miss!

 

[Rogue]

That's about the best comparison that could be done.

Real tits under 30 years old...wonderful....after that it's usually hit or miss!

Yeah, but you can put a new set of tubes and perhaps some capacitors in an over 30 amp and it's just like they're twenty again...maybe even better.

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

Classic!