Bareknuckle Pickups: Who tried em but didn't like em?

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I've had rebel yells, warpigs, nailbombs, miracle mans, sinners, piledrivers.

I like the warpigs sinners and piledrivers the best.

The sinners are just out of this world good.
The warpigs sound great in my spruce hollowbody. Great for darkening that guitar up a bit.
The piledrivers are on par with the anderson hot tele pickups.

The rebel yells I didn't like so much, very bright. The nailbombs are just so so and I haven't spent enough time with the miracle man yet to know whether I like them or not.

For the under 20k output range I prefer Bgpickups Hellabuckers and Wolfetone Fenris. Above 20k I haven't found anything I like better then the warpigs yet.
 
I have 15 BKPs altogether, so I guess I am a fanboi :lol: :LOL:

To me they have been awesome in 60% of the cases, much better than stock PUs in 30% and just Ok in 10%.

I am more a low/mid output guy, but I to have a set of ColdSweats and a MuracleMan that I love.

Also, for me it's a big deal that the maker can play, and daum!!!!! CAN TIM PLAY! (he was guitarist for Iced Earth for a short time but decided to cancel the assignment and concentrate on his PU business).

Now check the clip Tim did himself with the MiracleMan in an LP, a JCM800 and an SD-1: http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/i ... attach=357
 
fuzzyguitars":1m5qi2bo said:
I see a ton of threads spreading the love for Bareknuckle pickups.

I have a set of seven string painkillers in my 7 string.

They are pretty good. But i am not blown away by em.



I am just curious and would like to hear from some of those folks that have tried em, but decided that it was not for them.

Please try to include your setups rigs and what kind of music that you play too.

What did you end up going with too?

Not trying to blast Bareknuckle, just trying to get a few more points of view!

thanks! :lol: :LOL: :yes: :lol: :LOL:

VERY interesting thread.

i jump on the BKP buzz a while ago and got a Painkiller.

put it in a maghog guitar that i cannot get a good sound out of (nightswan, tried 3 pups, all suck in it)

put it in my new Alder Star, pretty good, alot of mids. but not BLOWEN away. Gonna go back to Duncan Distortian in the star, well not go back, but get one (what i use in old #1 guitar (alder))

But yeah, good but not WOW

Rig 5150 (green channel, boost)

my 2 cents

Halford
 
I don't feel the love with BKP's. Got a set of Miracle Man's and Nail Bombs and took them out as quick as I put them in. They are both raspy and harsh.

Motor City - different story though. Second Degree BB's and Afwayu are definitely a step up.

For the money, the new Slash Alnico II reverse zebra set from SD are some of my favorites.

I got one of the hand signed EVH relic pick ups in the back of a Charvel and it has a "wow" tone to it, even though the last thing I want to do is sound like Van Halen. Still has a full bodied sound and can tell a difference.


Steve
 
I like the BK's that I have (a Nailbomb in my Juggernaut and a Warpig in my Jackson Dinky). They sound thick but they also retain their clarity. I am waiting on a Trilogy Suite for the neck position of my Juggernaut but for whatever reason, that has taken way too long (dealer problem and not a problem with Tim at BK)...

I also like the MCP's that I have but I have not found an MCP that I like in my floyd loaded guitars. I have MCP Solutions in my LP's, a Nuke in the bridge of a Jackson Dinky (string through body), a Nuke in my GMP Pawnshop and a I just got my GMP Xplorer back with MCP Torques. It sounds awesome! I also have a BG Hellarail in one of my Dinky's and a BG Hellabucker in my Musikraft Charvel.

Pickup height is fussy with the MCP and the BK stuff so I found that I had to really tweak them to get them in the sweet spot.
 
I had painkillers in my ninja before I switched to hellbabies. I loved them, but a lot of times they could sound TOO harsh...too much mids, for me, maybe. Tried out the hellbabies, and I literally cannot get enough of these things!!
 
I wanted to try the Painkiller but thanks to a lovely dealer never getting around to ordering and sending the pickup to me despite charging me for them some months ago, I have to call the CC and get it taken off my bill.

Oh well, I ended up being more than happy with my Duncan Distortions anyways.

So in short, I wouldn't know how BKP's really sound, but it'll be the last time I spend premium prices on a boutique pickup.

EDIT: Well, it seems the dealer is trying to make things right and has assured me the pickup will be ordered and sent out. Bit of a misunderstanding I guess, but if he and I can work this out, things'll be golden. He even said he'd send me some tubes gratis, so if all goes well, this'll be great. :thumbsup: :rock:
 
I absolutely love my Mules, they are similar to Gibson's 57, the clarity is amazing, genuine PAF style pup's, I haven't tried higher output BKP...
 
i tried a Nailbomb 7 (forget if it was Alnico or ceramic magnet) in one of the 7-strings i built (Ibanez S7 clone with mahogany body, maple neck, ebony fingerboard). though my old rig with an Engl e530 preamp and a Boogie power amp, playing mid to high-gain rock and proggy thrashy metal.

it sounded as good as my other pickups but not better. in that guitar i had run a Duncan Custom 7 i modded with an Alnico 5 magnet and one i modded with an Alnico 8 magnet. with those i get a nice balance of edge/cut like ceramic magnets have, and midrange thickness like Alnicos have. especially the A8 one.

the Nailbomb sounded similar to me, a balance of edge and thickness. nice but not quite as nice to my ears as my A8-modded Duncan. definitely not $50 nicer. :lol: :LOL:
 
_actual time_":xmj471mv said:
i tried a Nailbomb 7 (forget if it was Alnico or ceramic magnet) in one of the 7-strings i built (Ibanez S7 clone with mahogany body, maple neck, ebony fingerboard). though my old rig with an Engl e530 preamp and a Boogie power amp, playing mid to high-gain rock and proggy thrashy metal.

it sounded as good as my other pickups but not better. in that guitar i had run a Duncan Custom 7 i modded with an Alnico 5 magnet and one i modded with an Alnico 8 magnet. with those i get a nice balance of edge/cut like ceramic magnets have, and midrange thickness like Alnicos have. especially the A8 one.

the Nailbomb sounded similar to me, a balance of edge and thickness. nice but not quite as nice to my ears as my A8-modded Duncan. definitely not $50 nicer. :lol: :LOL:

Honestly of all the BKPs I've tried the Nailbomb is one of my least favorite... I've got one in the bridge of a maple neck through mahogany wings KxK Sii-7 and need to change it out.... I've also used the Cold Sweats neck in 6 and 7 and like it, and the Painkiller and Holy Diver bridge in 6 strings and love them all.
 
I've used a number of BK pickups and I like them. However I think there is a bit too much hype around them. Not that they don't sound great either, because they certainly can. I think Tim is making very good products, different sounding pickups that fit in the market nicely for what they specialize in. What I don't agree with is the seemingly constant insistence that BK pickups are "better than everything else", or that the Painkiller "always sounds tight and aggressive". That last bit in particular has driven me batty. I've used the Painkiller in 10 guitars, varying in their cuts of wood and thus sounding different, and sometimes the Painkiller has sounded very dull and dark--because the guitar has sounded very dull and dark. It's not been due to a wiring problem or "the wrong pots" etc. (as some suggested, perhaps I don't know how to wire a pickup or troubleshoot a guitar's wiring? lol!), it's a plain fact. This is about how the pickup works for the guitar, period. The pickup does *not* solely dictate how a guitar sounds. The sound starts at the guitar and is *translated* by the pickup. The pickup's job is important but in my opinion not nearly as important as the guitar's. I say this because there are lots of good pickups out there and a really good sounding guitar will sound really good with lots of different pickups. Some say with electric guitar, the sound is all about the electronics (or 90%, whatever), that the guitar's wood hardly matters. I'd say that doesn't make sense unless you're using two fuzz pedals chained in series, I guess. :)

Also, some people think the Nailbomb sounds really aggressive. My experience in all my guitars was otherwise. It was solid sounding but not very edgy on the attack like the Painkiller was. And again the Painkiller might have sounded aggressive in my guitars, but it sounded dark and woofy in a few others. And I stopped using Painkillers in my guitars because they were so punchy (my guitars are very resonant) that it was hard to control my amps' EQ/gain settings. In my roommate's guitars though (Ibanez with floating bridges, a bit more dull sounding than my guitars), they sound excellent. Does that make me the problem, or does it make my guitars "crappy" because the BK pickups weren't making them amazing sounding? No. It means they weren't a good match for my guitars, for my tastes.

People can learn to calm down a little about BK pickups, that they're not always "the best" for every guitar and that if they don't sound right for peoples' guitars, "they're doing something wrong". It's absurd already how many people have said things to that effect.

Rogueleader":1q6htg9w said:
One thing I have noticed about them is they are really picky about height.

A lot of pickups are, if you want to get the best sound for your tastes. I recently enlightened someone as to their Les Paul (Jon, are you reading? lol) not sounding as bad as they thought, that the guitar didn't need to be sold and new pickups didn't have to be installed to hopefully fix the nasty sound issue. The cure: lowering the stock pickup about 1/8". That was enough to clear up the sound for him (which personally, I thought was fine to start with, but "horses for courses"). It was actually a night-and-day difference, making the guitar sound "incredibly good" to his ears. 1/8" of height difference, problem solved.

Even EMG pickups...sigh...EMG pickups... Their installation manual suggests smashing the pickup right against the strings (well not quite, but you know) because "there's no string pull" and "it won't affect intonation" yeah yeah yeah, that's all great, super...but 99% of the time that sounds like crap. In some guitars I've had EMGs over 3/8" away from the strings and it sounded awesome. (Yes, I'm admitting sometimes I like EMG pickups, in the right guitar of course, like my roommate's Jackson.)

And the Dimarzio X2N is one of the worst for this. It even comes with a slip of paper explaining how you should lower the bass side a lot to keep the response clear/focused. Yet so many people have tried that pickup and never bothered with this, whether they had that slip of paper with the pickup or not (got it used, for instance) and automatically dismissed the pickup as sounding bad.

ericsabbath":1q6htg9w said:
you could never say that without trying them in the same guitar

Exactly! It's all about how it works for the guitar, how the cuts of wood resonate (and not what kind of wood it is so much as just how the individual cuts of wood sound). In some guitars, a pickup will work well and in another it won't (even if it's "the same model" with "the same wood used", because the individual cuts sound different).
 
JamesPeters":3on5i7dv said:
I've used a number of BK pickups and I like them. However I think there is a bit too much hype around them. Not that they don't sound great either, because they certainly can. I think Tim is making very good products, different sounding pickups that fit in the market nicely for what they specialize in. What I don't agree with is the seemingly constant insistence that BK pickups are "better than everything else", or that the Painkiller "always sounds tight and aggressive". That last bit in particular has driven me batty. I've used the Painkiller in 10 guitars, varying in their cuts of wood and thus sounding different, and sometimes the Painkiller has sounded very dull and dark--because the guitar has sounded very dull and dark. It's not been due to a wiring problem or "the wrong pots" etc. (as some suggested, perhaps I don't know how to wire a pickup or troubleshoot a guitar's wiring? lol!), it's a plain fact. This is about how the pickup works for the guitar, period. The pickup does *not* solely dictate how a guitar sounds. The sound starts at the guitar and is *translated* by the pickup. The pickup's job is important but in my opinion not nearly as important as the guitar's. I say this because there are lots of good pickups out there and a really good sounding guitar will sound really good with lots of different pickups. Some say with electric guitar, the sound is all about the electronics (or 90%, whatever), that the guitar's wood hardly matters. I'd say that doesn't make sense unless you're using two fuzz pedals chained in series, I guess. :)

Also, some people think the Nailbomb sounds really aggressive. My experience in all my guitars was otherwise. It was solid sounding but not very edgy on the attack like the Painkiller was. And again the Painkiller might have sounded aggressive in my guitars, but it sounded dark and woofy in a few others. And I stopped using Painkillers in my guitars because they were so punchy (my guitars are very resonant) that it was hard to control my amps' EQ/gain settings. In my roommate's guitars though (Ibanez with floating bridges, a bit more dull sounding than my guitars), they sound excellent. Does that make me the problem, or does it make my guitars "crappy" because the BK pickups weren't making them amazing sounding? No. It means they weren't a good match for my guitars, for my tastes.

People can learn to calm down a little about BK pickups, that they're not always "the best" for every guitar and that if they don't sound right for peoples' guitars, "they're doing something wrong". It's absurd already how many people have said things to that effect.

Rogueleader":3on5i7dv said:
One thing I have noticed about them is they are really picky about height.

A lot of pickups are, if you want to get the best sound for your tastes. I recently enlightened someone as to their Les Paul (Jon, are you reading? lol) not sounding as bad as they thought, that the guitar didn't need to be sold and new pickups didn't have to be installed to hopefully fix the nasty sound issue. The cure: lowering the stock pickup about 1/8". That was enough to clear up the sound for him (which personally, I thought was fine to start with, but "horses for courses"). It was actually a night-and-day difference, making the guitar sound "incredibly good" to his ears. 1/8" of height difference, problem solved.

Even EMG pickups...sigh...EMG pickups... Their installation manual suggests smashing the pickup right against the strings (well not quite, but you know) because "there's no string pull" and "it won't affect intonation" yeah yeah yeah, that's all great, super...but 99% of the time that sounds like crap. In some guitars I've had EMGs over 3/8" away from the strings and it sounded awesome. (Yes, I'm admitting sometimes I like EMG pickups, in the right guitar of course, like my roommate's Jackson.)

And the Dimarzio X2N is one of the worst for this. It even comes with a slip of paper explaining how you should lower the bass side a lot to keep the response clear/focused. Yet so many people have tried that pickup and never bothered with this, whether they had that slip of paper with the pickup or not (got it used, for instance) and automatically dismissed the pickup as sounding bad.

ericsabbath":3on5i7dv said:
you could never say that without trying them in the same guitar

Exactly! It's all about how it works for the guitar, how the cuts of wood resonate (and not what kind of wood it is so much as just how the individual cuts of wood sound). In some guitars, a pickup will work well and in another it won't (even if it's "the same model" with "the same wood used", because the individual cuts sound different).
Well aren't you the chatter box today...back on coffee? :D
 
Randy Van Sykes":4pgqofl9 said:
Well aren't you the chatter box today...back on coffee? :D

Heh. :) I had a cup, yes, GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?!!?!?

Actually I'm just feeling more normal than I have in a long time. Issues with a "cough" which wouldn't go away, repetitive stress on my hands/forearms... etc. But I feel particularly good today, full of energy.

And now it's time to go do actual work. :)
 
JamesPeters":j4tdblov said:
repetitive stress on my hands/forearms...
Well...you need a girlfriend. :D

Good you are feeling well...get back to work. :thumbsup:
 
I've tried 4 or 5 sets of BKP pickups.

Rebel Yells - The best pickup for les paul style guitars I've played to date. Not super high output, but just enough for me personally. Chimey, tighty, very good across the frequency spectrum. I love these guitars in my Warmoth Mahogony VIP w/ Goncalo Alves neck w/ Pau Ferro Fingerboard.

Stormy Mondays - An awesome pickup for PAF style output. Warm, yet clear and spanky on the top end. I've used them in 2 guitars (Warmoth L5S semi hollow body) which sounded awesome. Ended up selling that guitar and putting them in the Warmoth Mahogany / Maple top VIP w/ all maple baritone neck and this pickup RULES for the baritone tones. Tight and punchy, yet tons of clarity on the top end.

As far as BKP pickups that I liked, that's where it ends. I've got a set of Nailbombs in my Warmoth Strat w/ Alder body / Maple and ebony neck and think they are rather bland, dark, and just no sparkle in the top end. When compared to another Warmoth Strat I have (same body woods as the previous one) that has Suhr SSH+ and SSV w/ Modern wiring scheme I just think it's boring and lifeless. I am putting SSH+ / SSV in that guitar to replace the nailbombs. I've tried the Crawlers as well and thought they okay as well. Better for the guitar that I put them in than the Nailbombs, but still bleh.

I am building a Warmoth SG style guitar w/ Mahogony body, maple neck, ebony fingerboard and am going to use BKP's Mississippi Queen P-90s in a humbucker form. I've liked his lower output stuff, so I don't see why I wouldn't like the Mississippi Queens, but we'll see. If I don't like them, I'll probably go get a set of Fralin's or something else.
 
7 Stringer":joy92n0f said:
Tried the Warpig= Hated it.
Painkiller=Pretty good actually.
Miracle Man=Awesome crunch machine.
Nailbomb=Didn`t install it yet.

My favorite pickups of all time=Anderson, all of them.

I play thrash,hard rock, metal, blues.....The Anderson`s are it for me. I even spoke with Tom and he made me a custom set for my 7 String, wich are pretty rare. Super cool guy. Sold them to me for a lot less than retail, i was amazed.

Chris

I have never tried BKP pickups, so I won't comment on those, but I will say that one of the reasons I bought this was the Anderson pickup. The others of course were that I am a huge Vai fan, and wanted a Flame guitar...and managed to get this so cheap that the the price of the Anderson and the Floyd was worth more than I paid for it.
 

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I think the correct pickup selection is dependent upon guitar wood. I have a set of MMans in my EpiGothLPaul7 and they kick ass, obviously much better than the stock. Now if you're comparing BKs to other top replacement brands, the quality difference will be smaller...

I'd go back and buy some more in a heartbeat. Screw the routing, battery replacement, and sterile nature of the EMGs!
 
I tried a a few BK pups. Instantly my penis gained 2"* in length and my g/f's cup size increased a whole letter.

I love the Rebel Yells in my LP, especially in a recorded mix or live. I have Crawler in an LP
and it's very nice. Cold Sweat and Black Dog were too bright for my tastes and amp. I tried
a few others too. Certainly good pups and no doubt you can find one to like and dislike.
The darn conversion rate with the British pound doesn't help things.



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IntenseJim":3ry20p67 said:
I tried a a few BK pups. Instantly my penis gained 2"* in length and my g/f's cup size increased a whole letter.

I love the Rebel Yells in my LP, especially in a recorded mix or live. I have Crawler in an LP
and it's very nice. Cold Sweat and Black Dog were too bright for my tastes and amp. I tried
a few others too. Certainly good pups and no doubt you can find one to like and dislike.
The darn conversion rate with the British pound doesn't help things.



*Yes, yes, it's now 5"



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I don't know about anything else, but at least they look cool! Steve S. rules too. :rock:
 
I ordered painkillers for my SG and they sent nailbombs, I went ahead and installed them and it was very MEH. I liked the stock gibby pups better.
They sent me the painkillers and they were GREAT in that guitar .
 
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