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I use a Egnater M4 with the Twin and Bman modules for high end. That into a 32 with all the left side pulled down. SVP pre amp for low end into a 32 band all the right side pulled down. Then into a SVT power amp to 8x10 SVT cab! Just like Dug Pinnick and holy shit what a sound!
 
Jeff Hilligan":3r5m1n5y said:
I use a Egnater M4 with the Twin and Bman modules for high end. That into a 32 with all the left side pulled down. SVP pre amp for low end into a 32 band all the right side pulled down. Then into a SVT power amp to 8x10 SVT cab! Just like Dug Pinnick and holy shit what a sound!
Most supreme bass tone of all time :thumbsup: :thumbsup: BTW, Brian, thats a sweet AC 30 you've got there ;)
 
SgtThump":36la7nqa said:
Don't bother! I mean, the Acoustic B200 combo is killer for the price and does anything I need it to do (very loud), but the rig you have is more portable, more powerful, and downright just kickass!


How does it sound at low volumes? The Behringer I have at home for practice sucks some pretty hairy ones!
 
JTyson":3gaj74r2 said:
Jeff Hilligan":3gaj74r2 said:
I use a Egnater M4 with the Twin and Bman modules for high end. That into a 32 with all the left side pulled down. SVP pre amp for low end into a 32 band all the right side pulled down. Then into a SVT power amp to 8x10 SVT cab! Just like Dug Pinnick and holy shit what a sound!
Most supreme bass tone of all time :thumbsup: :thumbsup: BTW, Brian, thats a sweet AC 30 you've got there ;)

I agree, that is a killer rig Jeff.

JTyson, you must have missed where I said that Vox AC15TBX was sold. I moved on to an AC30CC1 and then to my current '66 Vox AC50. :rock: They have all been great amps.
 
OOPs, uh..... Sorry, not a vox specialist, I just assumed :D Every time I assume somthing here, I'm wrong ;)
 
I have a pretty decent bass rig.


I'm that guy who couldnt take my bass player showing up with a 1x15 combo with a blown speaker and a $200 Yammy that he's had since high school, and clearly he wasnt about to change that.


When a deal presented itself I jumped on it and now he uses my rig 100% of the time.


My problem now is that he is using a Boss ME50 guitar multi-effect pedal for all of his effects. And I cant help but think that ITS the reason the bass rig sounds significantly worse now.

:thumbsdown:


Does anyone have any experience with the BASS version of the Boss multi-effects?

I dont need/want boutique but I DO need multi-effects.
 
ctoddrun, no experience with the Boss bass multi-effect. Not really into major effects on Bass. I did pick up a new Zoom G2 for guitar, and may get the Zoom B2 for bass though I've never heard one. For an inexpensive multieffect for guitar, the G2 is nice IMO. They are about $100 new, near half used on evil bay. For another $80 or so you can get the G2 or B2 with an expression pedal, USB out with Cubase LE software, and the B2 has an XLR DI out. The two digit display on the G2 / B2 takes some getting used too.

Sweetwater has them:

B2: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/B2/

B2.1u http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/b21u/index.php
 
Found out part of the issue with the string balance, was my low E was not seated in the saddle. Got it seated back in and that really helped. I also tried to pluck down by the bridge pickup on my Jazz bass, that was a great suggestion. It helps with my tendency to over pluck and sounds a bit smoother and more balanced.

I saw much buddy's band last night and hit bass player was just thumpin. He was like a cement mixer just pounding out the bass in every song. Good player, but could have really stood to play more dynamically and switch up the style a bit for each song. He was going through one of those dreadful Behringer Bass amps, but my buddy said most of the sound in the mix was through the PA....
 
Here's a pic (not mine, found it on an internet search) of the Trace Elliot SMX Dual Compressor Pedal I mentioned in a prior post. I probably will not have a chance to use my newly acquired evil bay one until the weekend. It takes 2 9V batteries...which will have to do until I can get to RadioShack and see if they have an adapter that will work. This is the same compression circuit used in their SMX series amps and preamps. I had a GP12SMX preamp that was just fantastic with this circuit. I have the TE MP11 which has 20 presets but no compressor which was the only thing missing from it; now I have THE compressor for Trace Elliot.

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I play an MTD Grendel 5-string through a Sansamp PSA-1 (or a Pod XT Pro with the bass pack installed) through a Rocktron 250 Velocity power amp and a Carvin 4x10" cab. I`ve been considering getting a Jazz bass and a bigger power amp, maybe the cheapest Crown thingy, it`s 600 watts bridged at 8 ohms. It sounds good the way it is, but I`d like a little more juice from the power amp.
 
Well, my newly acquired evil bay Trace Elliot SMX Dual Compressor pedal doesn't work, at least not with brand new batteries. No lights, no sound, nothing, not even a fart! I emailed the seller as there was no mention or indication in the ad the pedal was not in working order. If I have time, I will go to RadioShack and try an adapter to see if it works.
 
rsm":1t6mp8y3 said:
Well, my newly acquired evil bay Trace Elliot SMX Dual Compressor pedal doesn't work, at least not with brand new batteries. No lights, no sound, nothing, not even a fart! I emailed the seller as there was no mention or indication in the ad the pedal was not in working order. If I have time, I will go to RadioShack and try an adapter to see if it works.

:thumbsdown: That sucks! I hope you get it figured out or at least the seller stands behind it....
 
Seller responded quickly, said he tested it, that it worked before he shipped; asked if I tried it with a power adapter, which I don't have. No, 'cause they are about $50! I need the adapter ratings all I know is 18v, DC, center pin negative, I don't know the other details. He said he would get some info for me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but if it worked when he tested it, I'd think he'd have an adapter handy to send me the info?

We shall see. I may need to open it up and see if something shook loose in transit, that happened to a MIDI pedal I purchased on evil bay way back when. I don't see these too often, so if a Radio Shack adapter doesn't work (or exist), I may consider calling British Audio Service to get an idea of what it may cost to repair. They also sell the OEM adapter for $50 (that's gotta be a very good and special adapter, they call it a power supply. Maybe that's why it costs so much? :LOL: :LOL: )
 
The ebay seller made good, sent me the adapter, though it works intermittently (something in the adapter is loose?), the pedal does work (not with batteries though). I plan to send him some cash for it just cause these aren't cheap, and it works.

My set-up BC Rich American Custom Spider (aka Widow) 4 string bass, active EMG PJ pickups (old strings that should be replaced)

set-up #1 --> Trace Elliot SMX Dual Compressor --> Bose L1 / T1

Overall, the pedals effect was very subtle, I had to crank the compressor levels past 3 o'clock to really get a noticeable impact. The EG knob was very effective, full counterclockwise is was very muffled rumble, like some early/mid '60s bass tones; all the way clockwise it was like a Ric 4001 on the treble pickup, I ended up around 10-11 o'clock. The High Compression gave a nice sparkle, and some metallic bite (the bass has this naturally, but it sounded much better, more musical). The Low Compressor really gave a bite and and edge to the sound, evened it out and gave it that Trace Elliot spatial dimension.

set-up #2 ---> Trace Elliot MP11 preamp --> Trace Elliot SMX Dual Compressor in effects loop --> Bose L1 / T1

Wow! It was like taking a blanket off the thing, it punched! It had the similar effect, but much more noticeable, crisper and cleaner at lower compression levels. I was able to get great low compression that enhanced the tone with a rich TE sparkle and definition, if I got on the bass it would growl but in a more manageable and musical way. I had the low compression level set between 1-2 o'clock The high compression sounded really good too, I left it in set at about 11 o'clock and it really balanced the tone, giving the high end more balance / evenness with the lower frequencies. The overall smoothness was enhanced too. I ended up with the EQ knob set at 1 o'clock.

In both cases, especially #2, I noticed better sustain as well.

It's really difficult to describe the effect, it doesn't squeeze the life out of the tone like most compressors do, it is definitely enhancing (enhancer / exciter maybe?) without changing the tone, it made it just come alive, richer, fuller, more musical and what I call the "TE spatial dimension expansion", that seems to be unique to the older TE amps. YMMV, but if you want this bass-musical-spatial enhancement this is the way to go. It really sounded better in combination with / in the effects loop of my Trace Elliot MP11 preamp. I didn't try it in front of the MP11 though, and I used a different setting in the Bose system, so the two scenarios are different. I really expected the bass direct into the compressor pedal would have had greater effect, but the opposite was true. FWIW, this compressor circuit is the same as the one in the GP12SMX preamps / amps and in those amps the compressor is after the EQ section, the last stage out of the preamp. By placing the pedal in the MP11's effect loop it is in the same place in the signal chain as it would be if it was built-in to the preamp.

For me, this is what I wanted. It gave my MP11 more Trace Elliot mojo (that spatial dimension expansion thing) that it was lacking compared to the GP12SMX I had. It is staying in my rack, in the effects loop. Now I need to figure out how I can mount it in the rack for travel and for use. Right now its sitting on top of the rack case. I can see using this on or off per song so it doesn't need to be on the floor, but I need to spend more time with it.

I don't have a way to make clips with my set-up, as I'm still building my guitar rig (bass rig is set now!) out with GAS, and haven't started on recording aspects yet.

I think this is a very musical, subtle and effective compressor that provides tone enhancement and balance without squeezing the life out of your sound, in fact it really doesn't seem like a compressor, more like a compressor/exciter? :confused: What I don't know is how well this will work non-Trace Elliot gear? Well worth the try IMO

Hope this helps. ;)

Here is a link to the manual I found, which will provide better info than I can: http://www.britishaudioservice.com/inst/SMXPED.PDF
 
I don't play bass, but the only bass that I liked was the EBMM Stingray 4 string bass. All black, of course! :rock:
 
Thanks for the info RSM. I hope I can find one. I have it saved in my Ebay favorite searches.

I think for racking it I was going to just get a 1 or 2 space rack shelve and screw it down to that. Not sure if that is possible with the pedal or not, but it is worth a try.
 
blackba":4z0de5en said:
Thanks for the info RSM. I hope I can find one. I have it saved in my Ebay favorite searches.

I think for racking it I was going to just get a 1 or 2 space rack shelve and screw it down to that. Not sure if that is possible with the pedal or not, but it is worth a try.

Sure thing! I'm real happy with it, but this is exactly the compressor circuit I wanted! I think I mentioned I didn't even know this was available in pedal form! YMMV.

Thanks. I've got a Furman, and the MP11 in a 4U rack. The MP11 is a 2U unit, but it doesn't fit at the bottom of my SKB case? Basically, I don't have a full 1U space between them, and the pedal is a bit tall, so the shelf isn't going to work. I think I'm going to get a velcro pad, and attach it to the rear bottom of the case (I have the SKB ATA deep rack case, so there's room in the back) just to keep it from sliding or banging around when I move the rack.
 
Hi Jeff! That sounds sweet. You can't go wrong with Reverend Dug! Care to share your settings and what brand EQ you're using? I've been looking for a 32 band for a while and can't seem to find one. Do you have any video or audio clips you could share? OK, enough of my questions. (damned noob is a nosey monkey, huh? lol)
Jeff Hilligan":3hw22ulv said:
I use a Egnater M4 with the Twin and Bman modules for high end. That into a 32 with all the left side pulled down. SVP pre amp for low end into a 32 band all the right side pulled down. Then into a SVT power amp to 8x10 SVT cab! Just like Dug Pinnick and holy shit what a sound!
 
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