BE-100, ON THE MEND

[sjk]

you most generally showing up in most every one of these type of threads fanning the flames (or whatever you wanna call it) does not help to keep it on track !

 

[rlord1974]

That post was meant to get it BACK on track. Apparently, we've now moved on to how much it costs to ship an amp to Dan Gower from the U.S.........

 

[carlygtr]

I wouldn't ship overseas, period. Fuck that shit. You live in the UK. Buy something made on your side of the pond.

Why are you so angry at the ocean? What did it ever do to you?

In this day and age, an online vendor limiting him/herself to domestic sales is doomed.

Too big a risk with things getting lost, broken

 

[ke2]

I wouldn't ship overseas, period. Fuck that shit. You live in the UK. Buy something made on your side of the pond.

Why are you so angry at the ocean? What did it ever do to you?

In this day and age, an online vendor limiting him/herself to domestic sales is doomed.

Too big a risk with things getting lost, broken

Just declare the correct value, and the shipping company is the one that takes the ass reaming
I've bought from the US, and I live in Norway. Scott wrote the amount I paid him, I paid the taxes with a smile, and everything went fine and dandy. Just be honest all the way, and it usually goes well. Billions of dollars is imported (figuratively) every day, and most of it gets there in one piece

 

[jerrydyer]

That post was meant to get it BACK on track. Apparently, we've now moved on to how much it costs to ship an amp to Dan Gower from the U.S.........

allright all right , we pm'd each other.........................carry on !

 

[cardinal]

Overseas shipping is only stressful or problematic if you're a cheap ass. It gets expensive quick. Currency conversions, carriers, customs, insurance, etc. But if you pay the piper, it's no more risky than shipping in the US.

 

[Chubtone]

One small detail left out of a story can sure change perspectives huh?

 

[Racerxrated]

If you're not willing to insure it, then you must be OK losing it right? That's the only way to look at it IMO...

 

[Anonymous]

The thing is, and it's been discussed here before, that shipping companies won't issue a refund this easily. You have to fight to get one, basically prove the item was not damaged before it was shipped. If it's lost, which rarely happens, you'll have to wait forever. Charging taxes and large import fees on used items sold by an individual (non-business) to another individual is complete bullshit IMO. If you buy new, pay up.

 

[charveldan]

What was this thread about ... ?

 

[brickford]

whoa ? you said you shipped with $500 value now you say it shipped with only $300???
more to this story than meets the eye but...
On that note i am out, lesson learned.
Gonna go kiss my Brown eye and thanks God i have one.

 

[shgshg]

The OP requested that we mark the value low ($300) for customs so he would not get hit with a ton of import duties

 

[spirit7]

Has nobody considered the giant elephant in the room here? Namely, that undervaluing an item to avoid customs duties is fraudulent? It's also not very intelligent for a buyer for all the aforementioned reasons.

I don't buy guitar gear from the US for the simple reason that, although the prices are generally a lot cheaper, by the time you've paid import duties they are comparable or even higher than the cost here would be, and your guitar or amp has had to travel thousands of miles. Doesn't make sense, particularly when we have shops like Thomann in Europe.

-C

 

[EXPcustom]

Pretty much is fraud, they will take the item, be it a guitar or amp, confiscate it then usually destroy it on top of the 10000 dollar Euro fine or whatever it is. I know it happened to some Jackson collector dude in Norway, I think it was a few years ago. The US seller thought he had nothing to worry about since he was in the USA but the Euroweenies informed US customs who then informed the IRS and they went through all his past international shipments and taxes for the last five years to see what he had evaded previously.

This is why I will no longer do the declare "lower" for overseas shipments. I almost got boned on a guitar that got destroyed in customs when the reciever refused to pay VAT and was mad that I declared full value, then when he finally paid after I agreed to pay half the fee as it was cheaper then return shipping. The neck was broken when customs in Greece finally released the guitar.

FYI Paypal/Ebay also will not side with the seller if the item was declared lower then lost in shipping. This happened to a Ebay seller I know. Guy in Europe wanted the amp declared cheap, it was lost, he filed a claim with Ebay and Paypal then the seller was out the cash and amp.

 

[moltisanti]

the issue with small brands like Friedman etc in the UK is that they have no distribution, so we all read how amazing they are online and watch all the clips then think, shit i want one of those! the problem is that if you buy it from the US you end paying the full price of the head, international shipping, VAT, and customs charges which on a Friedman BE100 i would guess is around $1000 on top of the original price...

the point is it's VERY expensive to get your hands on an amp like this in the UK, so people roll the dice with the valuation and try to save some coin.

it is illegal, and it is a HUGE risk, this whole scenario is a good lesson for all of us outside the US about the dangers of trying to save money by doing a move like this

 

[spirit7]

the issue with small brands like Friedman etc in the UK is that they have no distribution, so we all read how amazing they are online and watch all the clips then think, shit i want one of those! the problem is that if you buy it from the US you end paying the full price of the head, international shipping, VAT, and customs charges which on a Friedman BE100 i would guess is around $1000 on top of the original price...

the point is it's VERY expensive to get your hands on an amp like this in the UK, so people roll the dice with the valuation and try to save some coin.

it is illegal, and it is a HUGE risk, this whole scenario is a good lesson for all of us outside the US about the dangers of trying to save money by doing a move like this

Absolutely, though I believe Musik Produktiv now sell Friedman gear (albeit at a pretty hefty mark-up).

-C

 

[EXPcustom]

the issue with small brands like Friedman etc in the UK is that they have no distribution, so we all read how amazing they are online and watch all the clips then think, shit i want one of those! the problem is that if you buy it from the US you end paying the full price of the head, international shipping, VAT, and customs charges which on a Friedman BE100 i would guess is around $1000 on top of the original price...

the point is it's VERY expensive to get your hands on an amp like this in the UK, so people roll the dice with the valuation and try to save some coin.

it is illegal, and it is a HUGE risk, this whole scenario is a good lesson for all of us outside the US about the dangers of trying to save money by doing a move like this

Absolutely, though I believe Musik Produktiv now sell Friedman gear (albeit at a pretty hefty mark-up).

-C

Also you guys over in Europe should be looking to vote out or elect people that are putting these unreasonable tax burdens on you. I hate getting political but I have had overseas buyers complain to me about their taxes being too high and I explain that it's really not my problem and that they need to vote those people out. I really feel bad for the guys down in South America, Brazil in particular.

 

[moltisanti]

without wanting to get into a political debate, voting for one douchebag over the other in the UK isn't going to change VAT on imported goods, and as for UK Customs they have more power than the Prime Minister anyway!

 

[moltisanti]

Absolutely, though I believe Musik Produktiv now sell Friedman gear (albeit at a pretty hefty mark-up).

-C

i had no idea they even existed, even with the mark up i reckon it's comparable with having one shipped + all the add ons

The BE100 is coming in at just under £3000 which is the same as a Diezel VH4...

 

[ke2]

http://www.musik-produktiv.de/friedman- ... e-100.html

A little more than a Diezel. More or less the same as an Exstasy.