Bogner red/blue or Wampler Plextortion into Marshall Artist

[Charvel1975]

How would a bogner ecstasy red or blue or a wampler plextortion pedal sound thru the clean channel or effects loop return of a marshall artist 3203?

 

[Iron Dog]

How would a bogner ecstasy red or blue or a wampler plextortion pedal sound thru the clean channel or effects loop return of a marshall artist 3203?

I have the same head and it's awesome. I don't know about yours, but mine doesn't work well with any overdrive/distortion pedal. I've used a Boss SD-1, Digitech Black 13, and a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem, in the front and through the loop, all of them sounded awful and my amp started acting really weird with sound and volume problems, which all disappeared soon as I took the overdrive/distortion pedals out. I had it checked several times by an amp tech and he couldn't find anything.

Someone on another forum mentioned that since this is an early solid state preamp it can't handle input clipping devices. Unfortunately all of the above pedals sounded much better through my little crappy Marshall MG practice amp than through my Marshall Artist

I'd love it if it could handle distortion pedals as I'd grab a Bogner Uberschall pedal in a heartbeat .

 

[splawner]

I just bought the Bogner red and boost my stock jcm Marshall and it sounds great....Sounds to me like a great modded Marshall

 

[Charvel1975]

How would a bogner ecstasy red or blue or a wampler plextortion pedal sound thru the clean channel or effects loop return of a marshall artist 3203?

I have the same head and it's awesome. I don't know about yours, but mine doesn't work well with any overdrive/distortion pedal. I've used a Boss SD-1, Digitech Black 13, and a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem, in the front and through the loop, all of them sounded awful and my amp started acting really weird with sound and volume problems, which all disappeared soon as I took the overdrive/distortion pedals out. I had it checked several times by an amp tech and he couldn't find anything.

Someone on another forum mentioned that since this is an early solid state preamp it can't handle input clipping devices. Unfortunately all of the above pedals sounded much better through my little crappy Marshall MG practice amp than through my Marshall Artist

I'd love it if it could handle distortion pedals as I'd grab a Bogner Uberschall pedal in a heartbeat .

I put this post up a while back about problems with my Marshall Artist 3203 head:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88256

Now granted it's been about 6 yrs or so since it was last serviced, you'll see in that thread above they had to replace the org. Drake transformer with I think a transformer out of a Marshall jcm900 4500 50 watt?, but mine has the same thing going on with sound and volume problems still. I even have the matching marshall 1965A 4x10 w/original celestions and coincidentally I have and have a Boss SD-1 that I've tried boosting the OD channel with and it sounds ok but drops the bottom end out and then of course followed by the volume cutting out and buzzing noises?!

That was the idea I had: using either a Bogner red or the Wampler Plextortion to use as the actual Preamp to get the sounds of a great modded Marshall

 

[Iron Dog]

How would a bogner ecstasy red or blue or a wampler plextortion pedal sound thru the clean channel or effects loop return of a marshall artist 3203?

I have the same head and it's awesome. I don't know about yours, but mine doesn't work well with any overdrive/distortion pedal. I've used a Boss SD-1, Digitech Black 13, and a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem, in the front and through the loop, all of them sounded awful and my amp started acting really weird with sound and volume problems, which all disappeared soon as I took the overdrive/distortion pedals out. I had it checked several times by an amp tech and he couldn't find anything.

Someone on another forum mentioned that since this is an early solid state preamp it can't handle input clipping devices. Unfortunately all of the above pedals sounded much better through my little crappy Marshall MG practice amp than through my Marshall Artist

I'd love it if it could handle distortion pedals as I'd grab a Bogner Uberschall pedal in a heartbeat .

I put this post up a while back about problems with my Marshall Artist 3203 head:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88256

Now granted it's been about 6 yrs or so since it was last serviced, you'll see in that thread above they had to replace the org. Drake transformer with I think a transformer out of a Marshall jcm900 4500 50 watt?, but mine has the same thing going on with sound and volume problems still. I even have the matching marshall 1965A 4x10 w/original celestions and coincidentally I have and have a Boss SD-1 that I've tried boosting the OD channel with and it sounds ok but drops the bottom end out and then of course followed by the volume cutting out and buzzing noises?!

That was the idea I had: using either a Bogner red or the Wampler Plextortion to use as the actual Preamp to get the sounds of a great modded Marshall

Wow, it's funny I also have a Peavey footswitch for mine. When I bought it new, they didn't have any Marshall footswitches and gave me the Peavey, they said it was better as it wasn't all plastic like the Marshall, and it's worked for 18+ years so no complaints. What did they mod? I'm assuming they reversed the switches. It's cool that you have the matching cab, I don't remember why, but I didn't get the matching cab, I'm using an old beat up 70's vintage Ampeg V4 cab, which is awesome

I found with mine that I couldn't even have overdrive/distortion pedals hooked up without having issues, regardless of whether I used them or not and I tried hooking them up every way I could imagine. All I run now is a Boss GE-7 and BBE Sonic Stomp in the loop and Boss TU-2 and NS-2 through the front. As soon as I took the overdrive/distortion pedals all the problems went away.

As I send in my original post I'd love to run a distortion pedal with it, as I'd love to have some hi-gain distortion with it, but it doesn't seem likes it going to work, that said I love the amp and the sounds I get out of it, so I'll just have to deal with it, or use it as an excuse to buy another amp

 

[Charvel1975]

How would a bogner ecstasy red or blue or a wampler plextortion pedal sound thru the clean channel or effects loop return of a marshall artist 3203?

I have the same head and it's awesome. I don't know about yours, but mine doesn't work well with any overdrive/distortion pedal. I've used a Boss SD-1, Digitech Black 13, and a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem, in the front and through the loop, all of them sounded awful and my amp started acting really weird with sound and volume problems, which all disappeared soon as I took the overdrive/distortion pedals out. I had it checked several times by an amp tech and he couldn't find anything.

Someone on another forum mentioned that since this is an early solid state preamp it can't handle input clipping devices. Unfortunately all of the above pedals sounded much better through my little crappy Marshall MG practice amp than through my Marshall Artist

I'd love it if it could handle distortion pedals as I'd grab a Bogner Uberschall pedal in a heartbeat .

I put this post up a while back about problems with my Marshall Artist 3203 head:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88256

Now granted it's been about 6 yrs or so since it was last serviced, you'll see in that thread above they had to replace the org. Drake transformer with I think a transformer out of a Marshall jcm900 4500 50 watt?, but mine has the same thing going on with sound and volume problems still. I even have the matching marshall 1965A 4x10 w/original celestions and coincidentally I have and have a Boss SD-1 that I've tried boosting the OD channel with and it sounds ok but drops the bottom end out and then of course followed by the volume cutting out and buzzing noises?!

That was the idea I had: using either a Bogner red or the Wampler Plextortion to use as the actual Preamp to get the sounds of a great modded Marshall

Wow, it's funny I also have a Peavey footswitch for mine. When I bought it new, they didn't have any Marshall footswitches and gave me the Peavey, they said it was better as it wasn't all plastic like the Marshall, and it's worked for 18+ years so no complaints. What did they mod? I'm assuming they reversed the switches. It's cool that you have the matching cab, I don't remember why, but I didn't get the matching cab, I'm using an old beat up 70's vintage Ampeg V4 cab, which is awesome

I found with mine that I couldn't even have overdrive/distortion pedals hooked up without having issues, regardless of whether I used them or not and I tried hooking them up every way I could imagine. All I run now is a Boss GE-7 and BBE Sonic Stomp in the loop and Boss TU-2 and NS-2 through the front. As soon as I took the overdrive/distortion pedals all the problems went away.

As I send in my original post I'd love to run a distortion pedal with it, as I'd love to have some hi-gain distortion with it, but it doesn't seem likes it going to work, that said I love the amp and the sounds I get out of it, so I'll just have to deal with it, or use it as an excuse to buy another amp

Forgot to ask you when I put up this post but do you have any clips of your Marshall Artist 3203 with the Boss GE-7 and BBE Sonic Stomp in the loop? I was thinking of getting an EQ pedal to run in the loop and my other guitarist has a BBE Sonic Stomp pedal he's not using right now. Problem is, as I mentioned before, the Marshall is cutting out, volume drop outs like after playing through it for 10 minutes or so?!

I'm going to take it to the tech and see if he can figure out whats wrong with it? I've used the CRC Contact Cleaner in the Effects Loop jacks, front input jack, speaker jacks and it's still cutting out?!

 

[Little B]

I just bought all three-red, blue and black..and yes, the red and blue kill...but i also got a killer tone from the black w/ an eq after it..They feel more like youre playing thru a real amp than the wampler. i have the plextortion,pinnicale deluxe,ace 30,and dual fusion..I like the bogner red the best into my 68 bandmaster and marshall 6100.

 

[Charvel1975]

I didn't want to hijack Brad's NAMM thread so seeing as how it's related, I'll post it here. Anyone that went to NAMM have any clips of the new Rocktron ValveSonic?

Paging Iron Dog Yea I remember ya, I guess well first I gotta get the Artist to the tech to check it over and see why it's cutting out (I've already used contact cleaner in the jacks but it was still doing it) and check for anything else and get it show ready. I'm trying to coax modern metal tones out of it, our band is tuned to drop B http://www.reverbnation.com/invengence but still want flexibility for other sounds for classic/hard rock/80's metal, etc, and I was thinking of trying to use it for shows. My 2 fire breathers in my sig are very hard to keep at a low volume and get a good sound, especially live at some of these places we play.

 

[Iron Dog]

Got your message, good luck on getting it fixed Not to harp on it, but your not running any input clipping devices? as they made my amp very squirly. I was trying for the same kind of sound. The only thing I didn't like about running a preamp in is that I like the clean and crunch sound out of it and just wanted to add a modern metal sound, but alas that is why I'm looking at building another rig, instead of trying to get the modern metal sound out of the amp.

If you find clips of the new ValveSonic and Widow Maker post them up as I'm interested, it didn't mention in the clip, but I would hope they are midi switchable (how a company in this day and age can make a rack preamp/effect that's not midi compatible is beyond me ) .

Depending on what type of rig you are running and if you need/want the preamp to be tube, you could look into the older rack preamp's, my midi rig uses a Rocktron Voodu Valve for all the preamp and effects and it's awesome, if you go that route get the online one so you can download patches and program patches on your PC, mine isn't, so I have to do it the old fashioned way

Keep me posted and let me know what you go with in the end

I didn't want to hijack Brad's NAMM thread so seeing as how it's related, I'll post it here. Anyone that went to NAMM have any clips of the new Rocktron ValveSonic?

Paging Iron Dog Yea I remember ya, I guess well first I gotta get the Artist to the tech to check it over and see why it's cutting out (I've already used contact cleaner in the jacks but it was still doing it) and check for anything else and get it show ready. I'm trying to coax modern metal tones out of it, our band is tuned to drop B http://www.reverbnation.com/invengence but still want flexibility for other sounds for classic/hard rock/80's metal, etc, and I was thinking of trying to use it for shows. My 2 fire breathers in my sig are very hard to keep at a low volume and get a good sound, especially live at some of these places we play.

 

[Racerxrated]

I had one of those 3203 heads and I ran just a boss GE7 in front for a boost. No issues, sounded great. I also turned the gain back a bit and used an OCD also in front with the eq pedal. Just ran a delay in the loop, sounded really good to me. I never had any of the issues that you've described. Nice budget Marshall, better than any DSL or 900 I've tried. A little darker maybe than a JCM but I gigged with it quite a bit..

 

[Iron Dog]

Yeah they are really nice amps, I love mine. I use a GE-7 through the loop as an EQ. Did you use the OCD as a boost or a different flavor of distortion? I experimented with using my Boss SD-1 to goose my signal and drive the amp harder which sounded like crap and I figured it wouldn't work with a solid state preamp, am I wrong?

In the OCD manual it says it use a different type of clipping (MOSFET & Germanium) instead of traditional diode clipping (I know nothing about electronics ), but that could be why it worked for you or maybe mine is just unique although now that you've mentioned it I want to try my 3203 with an OCD pedal

I had one of those 3203 heads and I ran just a boss GE7 in front for a boost. No issues, sounded great. I also turned the gain back a bit and used an OCD also in front with the eq pedal. Just ran a delay in the loop, sounded really good to me. I never had any of the issues that you've described. Nice budget Marshall, better than any DSL or 900 I've tried. A little darker maybe than a JCM but I gigged with it quite a bit..

 

[Charvel1975]

Hey Iron Dog!! Just found this on Rocktron's Facebook page, looks like the solid state WidowMaker preamp is the one he's using!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151832297186493

 

[Iron Dog]

Cool sounds pretty good for a phone clip, I look forward to reading and seeing more about them both. I love Rocktron, I use a Voodu Valve and Velocity 300 in my midi rig. I may have to make room for some more Rocktron goodness

You might want to look at the Fulltone OCD that Racerxrated mentioned. I looked online and some other people on other forums have mentioned using them together, so it may work, I'm not sure how well for modern metal. I may try this, my only concern is that if it doesn't work with my amp, than it's useless as I'm not going to try using it with my midi rig

Hey Iron Dog!! Just found this on Rocktron's Facebook page, looks like the solid state WidowMaker preamp is the one he's using!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151832297186493

 

[Charvel1975]

Cool sounds pretty good for a phone clip, I look forward to reading and seeing more about them both. I love Rocktron, I use a Voodu Valve and Velocity 300 in my midi rig. I may have to make room for some more Rocktron goodness

You might want to look at the Fulltone OCD that Racerxrated mentioned. I looked online and some other people on other forums have mentioned using them together, so it may work, I'm not sure how well for modern metal. I may try this, my only concern is that if it doesn't work with my amp, than it's useless as I'm not going to try using it with my midi rig

Hey Iron Dog!! Just found this on Rocktron's Facebook page, looks like the solid state WidowMaker preamp is the one he's using!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151832297186493

I didn't realize there were 4 different versions of the Fulltone OCD?

 

[Charvel1975]

I found this video of the Bogner Ecstasy Red pedal, I thought he really showed the versatility of the pedal and was running it thru the clean channel of a Mesa Boogie 5:25 Express 1x12 combo

 

[Iron Dog]

Yeah I saw that about the OCD also, don't know what the differences are. Now if what Racerxrated said about the OCD is true and it is because it doesn't use diode clipping, then the Bogner red/blue could work also as they say they use no diode clipping. When they first came out I was excited for the Uberschall pedal, but a review said it did use diode clipping as opposed to the red/blue and reviews weren't that good.

Maybe I'll have to bite the bullet and get an Ecstacy Red, or maybe I'll let you take the plunge first

I found this video of the Bogner Ecstasy Red pedal, I thought he really showed the versatility of the pedal and was running it thru the clean channel of a Mesa Boogie 5:25 Express 1x12 combo

 

[Charvel1975]

Yeah I saw that about the OCD also, don't know what the differences are. Now if what Racerxrated said about the OCD is true and it is because it doesn't use diode clipping, then the Bogner red/blue could work also as they say they use no diode clipping. When they first came out I was excited for the Uberschall pedal, but a review said it did use diode clipping as opposed to the red/blue and reviews weren't that good.

Maybe I'll have to bite the bullet and get an Ecstacy Red, or maybe I'll let you take the plunge first

I found this video of the Bogner Ecstasy Red pedal, I thought he really showed the versatility of the pedal and was running it thru the clean channel of a Mesa Boogie 5:25 Express 1x12 combo

I just checked Ebay and it there were a couple used OCD's that sold for between $50-$60 and a couple Ecstasy Red's that sold for $167

 

[Charvel1975]

Hey Iron Dog this was really the only heavy vid I could find of an OCD boosting a Marshall JCM800 kerry king, I know it's a jcm800 but would probably be a close approximation of an OCD boosting the distortion channel on our 3203's

 

[Iron Dog]

Nice clips, I'll find out personally next week. I went to my local music chain they there is only one Bogner Ecstacy Red in the province, so I put down a refundable deposit to bring it in. The store has the OCD pedal in stock, so when the Ecstacy Red arrives, I'll try them both in store and take home whichever I like best.

You can get them cheaper on e-bay, but the store has a 30 day return policy (minus the 10% re-stocking fee) and that gives me a chance to see how whichever one I choose gets along with the Marshall, I'll let you know.

 

[Charvel1975]

Nice clips, I'll find out personally next week. I went to my local music chain they there is only one Bogner Ecstacy Red in the province, so I put down a refundable deposit to bring it in. The store has the OCD pedal in stock, so when the Ecstacy Red arrives, I'll try them both in store and take home whichever I like best.

You can get them cheaper on e-bay, but the store has a 30 day return policy (minus the 10% re-stocking fee) and that gives me a chance to see how whichever one I choose gets along with the Marshall, I'll let you know.

Sweet man!! Yea the cheapest used Bogner Ecstasy Red I saw on Ebay used was buy it now $230 and then prices for used Fulltone OCD were kinda scattered.