Bogner Uberschall Revision Blue

[Simon Dorn]

Hi there! As you all know, when GAS strikes back from time to time you are going to buy something... In my case it recently was a Bogner Uberschall revision blue. Which i tested and compared to my go to Modded Marshall 2203KK. There's no EQ on the guitars. Guitars are probably a bit to dark as they are at the moment....I used the Ozone Maximizer on the Master bus and normalized the volume in the video program.I won't tell you which one is which. Please leave a comment which one you like more and why and tell me what you think. Best Regards!

 

[JCDenton6]

1st was the Bogner and 2nd was the Marshall, sounded pretty good.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

1st was the Bogner and 2nd was the Marshall, sounded pretty good.

+1

 

[Simon Dorn]

I'm going to send the Uberschall back...

 

[1meanplexi]

I'm going to send the Uberschall back...

Hmmm.... !

In order for me, 1st - The blend of the dog . Uber second then the Marshall. All kidding aside, I really dug the Uber.

 

[Simon Dorn]

I'm going to send the Uberschall back...

Hmmm.... !

In order for me, 1st - The blend of the dog . Uber second then the Marshall. All kidding aside, I really dug the Uber.

I just quote myself: When i tested the Bogner, with my MF280 (prefered it over my Mesa Rectifier412, which i sold) after it arrived it went kinda: ok, cool...with the Ts9: awesome....probably a keeper...found a few cool settings, that i liked...all good until i plugged in my KK, which is insane The Bogner kinda falls apart at high volume, unlike the Marshall, which stays tight with an incredible punch but it is quite over the top. The Bogner is great in a more "musical" kind of way and a really good amp nonetheless. Just my findings...

 

[jc986]

Interesting that you feel like the Bogner falls apart at higher volumes. I find that my Rev Blue is tightest with the with the master volume at 11-12 o'clock with the channel volume around the same (which is ridiculously loud). Any higher master volume settings don't really increase volume, they just add power amp breakup.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Well, the more scientifically description would have probably been: the KK has less power amp breakup than the Uberschall at the same volume El34 vs. Kt88
Do you use a boost in front of the Uber?

 

[Guitarnobody]

First part seemed buzzy. Second part was smoother and more refined. I prefer the second part. Funny how close they sounded.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

I just quote myself: When i tested the Bogner, with my MF280 (prefered it over my Mesa Rectifier412, which i sold) after it arrived it went kinda: ok, cool...with the Ts9: awesome....probably a keeper...found a few cool settings, that i liked...all good until i plugged in my KK, which is insane The Bogner kinda falls apart at high volume, unlike the Marshall, which stays tight with an incredible punch but it is quite over the top. The Bogner is great in a more "musical" kind of way and a really good amp nonetheless. Just my findings...

Are you mic'ing your cab? If so, don't turn it up so high and let the P.A. or studio engineer handle the rest.

Not bashing on you at all, so don't take it personal. But I hear/read this a lot from people (not just about Bogner amps) and I never understand the thought process that an amp that sounds great a moderate volume, "musical" as you indicated, gets second guessed because "diming" it doesn't sound as good as another amp that holds it together maxed out. Who really plays live or in the studio like that anymore?

When I play my Rev2 I know just where to go volume wise to hit that sweet spot every time, and it's never more than 12:00 noon on the Master volume which is only half way up. And that is plenty loud for stage volume, so much so that I don't run my rig though a monitor. Some sound guys have even asked me to turn that down, lol.

 

[Simon Dorn]

I just quote myself: When i tested the Bogner, with my MF280 (prefered it over my Mesa Rectifier412, which i sold) after it arrived it went kinda: ok, cool...with the Ts9: awesome....probably a keeper...found a few cool settings, that i liked...all good until i plugged in my KK, which is insane The Bogner kinda falls apart at high volume, unlike the Marshall, which stays tight with an incredible punch but it is quite over the top. The Bogner is great in a more "musical" kind of way and a really good amp nonetheless. Just my findings...

Are you mic'ing your cab? If so, don't turn it up so high and let the P.A. or studio engineer handle the rest.

Not bashing on you at all, so don't take it personal. But I hear/read this a lot from people (not just about Bogner amps) and I never understand the thought process that an amp that sounds great a moderate volume, "musical" as you indicated, gets second guessed because "diming" it doesn't sound as good as another amp that holds it together maxed out. Who really plays live or in the studio like that anymore?

When I play my Rev2 I know just where to go volume wise to hit that sweet spot every time, and it's never more than 12:00 noon on the Master volume which is only half way up. And that is plenty loud for stage volume, so much so that I don't run my rig though a monitor. Some sound guys have even asked me to turn that down, lol.

Compared to the Uber, the Marshall just excites me more - no matter what volume
The Uberschall is essentially a Hot-Rodded Marshall. So i just realised i don't have a need for it.
I had the master volume on the KK at 4 (of 10), as i tried it in the rehearsal room. MV on 3 is Ok for live.
But you are right, the volume can become a problem.

 

[jc986]

Do you use a boost in front of the Uber?

It doesn't need one, but I do depending on the guitar/pickups/tuning/cab/style. For more classic metal and rock I think it sounds great without a boost. If I'm able to play with the master between 11 o'clock and 12 o'clock it really doesn't need a boost at all. If I have to play with lower volumes, I will usually use a boost if playing in Drop C or lower. Settings really come into play with how tight the Uber will sound as well. The presence knob is the key with any Uber and acts more as a midrange contour. The other controls also seem to behave differently depending on how the presence knob is set, so there are a ton of different sounds available if you take the time to experiment. The controls seem pretty simple at first look but that is somewhat deceiving with this amp. It's not nearly as complex as something like a Mesa Mark series amp, but there is definitely some interaction between the different controls.

I think the Uber really shines through front-loaded cabs. I have a Diezel front-loaded that I really like the way it sounds through and I have played it through a couple others including a Marshall with Vintage 30's and a Mesa Recto cab and it was definitely tighter through my Diezel cab.

 

[Metal1977]

Do you use a boost in front of the Uber?

It doesn't need one, but I do depending on the guitar/pickups/tuning/cab/style. For more classic metal and rock I think it sounds great without a boost. If I'm able to play with the master between 11 o'clock and 12 o'clock it really doesn't need a boost at all. If I have to play with lower volumes, I will usually use a boost if playing in Drop C or lower. Settings really come into play with how tight the Uber will sound as well. The presence knob is the key with any Uber and acts more as a midrange contour. The other controls also seem to behave differently depending on how the presence knob is set, so there are a ton of different sounds available if you take the time to experiment. The controls seem pretty simple at first look but that is somewhat deceiving with this amp. It's not nearly as complex as something like a Mesa Mark series amp, but there is definitely some interaction between the different controls.

I think the Uber really shines through front-loaded cabs. I have a Diezel front-loaded that I really like the way it sounds through and I have played it through a couple others including a Marshall with Vintage 30's and a Mesa Recto cab and it was definitely tighter through my Diezel cab.

I agree with everything they said, i use to boost every amp before with a maxon od808. I don't need it with my Uberschall and EMG 81, mine is a rev 2 but it shouldn't be too different with the rev blue. Set the master volume at 12 o'clock as DBU & jc986 said and increase the channel volumes as you wish. If it's still too flubby for you, try to bring down the bass a little bit it should do the trick. Those amps are knowned for their nice power amp compression. For me the presence sweet spot is between 11 to 1 o'clock.

Both sound very good but i prefer the first one.
Cheers!

Chris

 

[leib10]

The first one sounds more full. Other one sounds hollow and harsh.