Bone to pick with Mark Day

[Mailman1971]

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Unless that baby was just troublesome and just had to go. Fussy bastard just wouldnt eat his strained carrots.
So out he went.

 

[Bob Savage]

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Unless that baby was just troublesome and just had to go. Fussy bastard just wouldnt eat his strained carrots.
So out he went.

Sounds like 2+2=5.

 

[Mailman1971]

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Unless that baby was just troublesome and just had to go. Fussy bastard just wouldnt eat his strained carrots.
So out he went.

Sounds like 2+2=5.

He was too young. Barely could talk. So math problems were a bit hard and he might of come up with 5 as the answer.
Another reason why he is out with the bathwater.

 

[ejecta]

I think the OP was dead on right about clips being pretty useless to really judge whether an amp is for you or not.

My hit ratio of determining whether I'll like an amp based only upon clips is very high so this does not fall true for all. I think so far the only amp that didn't fit me well was the Fryette UL. Every other amp I've bough only after hearing clips I've really enjoyed.

Perhaps it's all about listening approach and expectations.

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Oh I guess I'll have to start following the TGP rules here as well and say YMMV.

My view is with clips you can't get an idea of feel, what it sounds like with your cab, your guitar, your pedals, your effects unit, your room, your gigs, and most importantly your hands and only gives a very limited idea of voicing..... yeah pretty useless. Call it throwing out whatever you wish but that's about 90% of the playing experience you can't tell from clips.

 

[Bob Savage]

Oh I guess I'll have to start following the TGP rules here as well and say YMMV.

My view is when with clips you can't get an idea of feel, what it sounds like with your cab, your guitar, your pedals, your effects unit, your room, your gigs, and most importantly your hands but can get an idea of voicing..... yeah pretty useless. Call it throwing out whatever you wish but that's about 90% of the playing experience you can't tell from clips.

Why would you have to follow TGP rules? You made a statement with your opinion and I responded with my personal experience. Relax dude. It's an exchange of ideas which means I should be able to respond in disagreement without briefs getting in a bundle.

 

[ejecta]

Oh I guess I'll have to start following the TGP rules here as well and say YMMV.

My view is when with clips you can't get an idea of feel, what it sounds like with your cab, your guitar, your pedals, your effects unit, your room, your gigs, and most importantly your hands but can get an idea of voicing..... yeah pretty useless. Call it throwing out whatever you wish but that's about 90% of the playing experience you can't tell from clips.

Why would you have to follow TGP rules? You made a statement with your opinion and I responded with my personal experience. Relax dude.

No need to relax since I'm not worked up at all. Just said I guess I should have put YMMV like I seem to have to over at TGP.

 

[mentoneman]

I'm going to chime in here, because I make a lot of videos demoing amps, or film others demoing amps (incl. the aforementioned Mr. day.)

Everyone has a formula , pickups, string gauge. Setup, settings on the amp, speakers, mic placement, signal chain.

Your only gonna get the sound like the video if you recreate ALL those things. (Including the guitar cable) and even then it's going to be different because of the most important factor.

Your hands.

Agreed, which is why whenever I see someone asking for "settings" I just want to laugh. Such a misguided way to get where you want.

Yet there is a "BE-100 Settings" thread down in the Friedman subforum that has been getting a LOT of attention lately....

Those posts make me laugh every time. Why the hell do people buy amps and then ask someone else how to make it sound good? Turn the fucking knobs till it sounds good.

i cringe at the "what pedal or pickup" questions. you know every person is going to say something different. but add a clip to that recommendation and now you have a accurate measurement.

 

[Bob Savage]

No need to relax since I'm not worked up at all. Just said I guess I should have put YMMV like I seem to have to over at TGP.

Yes, please use YMMV from now on.

Thank you.

 

[LukeCurd]

I think the OP was dead on right about clips being pretty useless to really judge whether an amp is for you or not.

My hit ratio of determining whether I'll like an amp based only upon clips is very high so this does not fall true for all. I think so far the only amp that didn't fit me well was the Fryette UL. Every other amp I've bough only after hearing clips I've really enjoyed.

Perhaps it's all about listening approach and expectations.

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Maybe I should say useless without the context of everything involved.
1. Size of the room and if its treated.
2. Recording Chain/Manipulation
3. Equipment being demoed
4. Players style.
5. Volume/youtube compression
6. Listening Device by user.

Number 4 on the list I was addressing in this topic. I feel like Mark and the rest of great players can make any amp combo sound great. Just like a good race car driver will yield the best results in any car they drive. I dig it,Iv'e done it and I do find it helpful.

 

[Bob Savage]

I feel like Mark and the rest of great players can make any amp combo sound great. Just like a good race car driver will yield the best results in any car they drive. I dig it,Iv'e done it and I do find it helpful.

Great players can captivate you while playing an electric without an amp at all. That they can make even a cheap combo sound good is a given, no?

 

[LukeCurd]

Also with the us dollar not having the purchasing power it used to, its even more important than every to support brick n mortar stores vs online. I would rather see 50 shops around the US carry Friedman,Cameron,Fortin,Diezel,Suhr,Metro,and the list goes on. My 38 year old guitar player buddy never played a high end amp in his life. Highest end was a Orange I kinda felt bad for him. He is a great player and dug the blue and red channels of the XTC he played. It was funny to see him smile and be like, playing this is easier. The amp isn't fighting against me. lol He has to really hit a note perfect on his marshall to get the sustain just right.

I guess in the end youtube exposure is great however getting it in your hands will support these smaller builders we wish everyone would get the chance to play. right?

 

[LukeCurd]

I feel like Mark and the rest of great players can make any amp combo sound great. Just like a good race car driver will yield the best results in any car they drive. I dig it,Iv'e done it and I do find it helpful.

Great players can captivate you while playing an electric without an amp at all. That they can make even a cheap combo sound good is a given, no?

If we are talking about jimmy page with a tele and a supro combo then yes. His dark personality always came thru even with the brightest equipment. I myself don't have that gift.

 

[jcj]

I think the OP was dead on right about clips being pretty useless to really judge whether an amp is for you or not.

My hit ratio of determining whether I'll like an amp based only upon clips is very high so this does not fall true for all. I think so far the only amp that didn't fit me well was the Fryette UL. Every other amp I've bough only after hearing clips I've really enjoyed.

Perhaps it's all about listening approach and expectations.

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Maybe I should say useless without the context of everything involved.
1. Size of the room and if its treated.
2. Recording Chain/Manipulation
3. Equipment being demoed
4. Players style.
5. Volume/youtube compression
6. Listening Device by user.

Number 4 on the list I was addressing in this topic. I feel like Mark and the rest of great players can make any amp combo sound great. Just like a good race car driver will yield the best results in any car they drive. I dig it,Iv'e done it and I do find it helpful.

Rule 1.

There's simply no way to know how an amp will respond to your touch without playing it....period.... I've played quite a few amps that sound absofuckinglutely fantastic in someone elses's hands, that I can't play for shit....sounds like I'm killing a cat....literally.

Rule 2.

See rule 1.

That is all

 

[Mailman1971]

I think the OP was dead on right about clips being pretty useless to really judge whether an amp is for you or not.

My hit ratio of determining whether I'll like an amp based only upon clips is very high so this does not fall true for all. I think so far the only amp that didn't fit me well was the Fryette UL. Every other amp I've bough only after hearing clips I've really enjoyed.

Perhaps it's all about listening approach and expectations.

Again, the position that clips are effectively useless is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Maybe I should say useless without the context of everything involved.
1. Size of the room and if its treated.
2. Recording Chain/Manipulation
3. Equipment being demoed
4. Players style.
5. Volume/youtube compression
6. Listening Device by user.

Number 4 on the list I was addressing in this topic. I feel like Mark and the rest of great players can make any amp combo sound great. Just like a good race car driver will yield the best results in any car they drive. I dig it,Iv'e done it and I do find it helpful.

Rule 1.

There's simply no way to know how an amp will respond to your touch without playing it....period.... I've played quite a few amps that sound absofuckinglutely fantastic in someone elses's hands, that I can't play for shit....sounds like I'm killing a cat....literally.

Rule 2.

See rule 1.

That is all

BINGO!!
I was at a local music store....playing thru some Randall amp....wasnt bottom line...but not top shelf either.
Was digging it....sounded decent. Then some other guy plugs in and just RIPS IT UP!!
Everyone stopped what they were doing....crowd gathers around this guy and it sounded incredible.
Was it the best tone I heard when MY SORRY ASS was playing? Nope. Other amps sounded better to me.
But nothing changed and he made it sound insanely good.
Guess I am joining the Baby outside with the Bathwater. He looks cold laying on the ground.

 

[ejecta]

No need to relax since I'm not worked up at all. Just said I guess I should have put YMMV like I seem to have to over at TGP.

Yes, please use YMMV from now on.

Thank you.

Yes sir....... YMMV

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Kapo_Polenton wrote:
Guys give Luke a break, he is really trying here. Integration into the clique is hard!


Apparently since you've obviously not even fully integrated.

Unfortunately I doubt I will ever truly be accepted I don't have a hard on for Axe FX's or Kempers and I don't own a super duper modded Marshall!!!! I'm missing out for sure but I like to think I am on the waiting list.......only a few thousand more posts to go!

 

[Bob Savage]

Unfortunately I doubt I will ever truly be accepted I don't have a hard on for Axe FX's or Kempers and I don't own a super duper modded Marshall!!!! I'm missing out for sure but I like to think I am on the waiting list.......only a few thousand more posts to go!

You'll never bee truly accepted because your name has an underscore in it and makes pronunciation difficult, however, I think you're well on your way to partial acceptance.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

- Try to separate the playing/performance from the actual tone as much as you can, obviously they are intertwined but killer playing will skew your attention away from the tone sometimes at least for me.

- Added compression from video clips can make an amp sound like it has more explosive gain/sustain than it actually does.

- Camera mics can add an aggressive high end treble cut to the tone you may think the amp sound duller in the room by comparison.

...and much more I don't feel like typing out.

 

[ejecta]

- Try to separate the playing/performance from the actual tone as much as you can, obviously they are intertwined but killer playing will skew your attention away from the tone sometimes at least for me.

- Added compression from video clips can make an amp sound like it has more explosive gain/sustain than it actually does.

- Camera mics can add an aggressive high end treble cut to the tone you may think the amp sound duller in the room by comparison.

...and much more I don't feel like typing out.

I'll add even if it's mic'd proper it's colored by the mic used, colored by the mic position, colored by the mic pre.

I think at best...clips can give you an idea of how the amp records.

FTR I'm not saying you could hear a clip of an amp that sounds good and you purchase the amp and not be happy with your purchase. That has happened to me but the opposite has happened to me too at about an equal ratio.

YMMV

 

[Bob Savage]

Yep more reasons why I think other than entertainment value for the most part clips are useless. I don't understand why some people get offended by that opinion.

Just to be clear, I am not offended by your opinion, despite disagreeing with it. I hope you can see a distinction because it's a common trait on forums for people to think others are offended simply because there's a difference in opinon. My opinion on this trait is the person needs to grow up. YMMV, such and such and so forth. <burp>