Buying both Fryette Deliverance and Bogner Uber Ultra or buying Wizard MTL.. Hard to decide.

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I've sold some of my gear and I am ready to pull my trigger. I am thinking of nearly 6k spent. At first I was keen on both Deliverance and Uber Ultra and maybe buying one more cab. But, suddenly Wizard MTL came to my mind. All My amps have saturated gain structure. I sold my mark5,marshall jvm410h, jcm2000dsl and diezel herbert mk3. Now I have MI Beta, peavey 6505, mesa recto. Is MTL will be good choice?? I heard MTL is like Fryette on steroid.
 
It will both sound & feel very different from the current amps you have and the ones you sold, so it’s definitely good contrast. The Wizard’s & Fryette’s will be less saturated & have hollow/flat midrange (not scooped, but the character itself in that frequency range lacks growl & personality/character or what I perceive as just tone), so not sure how you may or may not get along with that, but for me, the things they excel at (punch, clarity & openness) more than make up for what I hear as some tonal short comings. Adding a pedal to boost can help, but they still won’t be like your current amps in that regard and the MTL imo doesn’t take most boosts well

I don’t know about the Uber Ultra (only heard Reza’s clip), but my original version Uberschall fwiw has a lot of overlap with my Beta & Recto‘s, but still has enough of its own thing to be a keeper and even top 4 or 5 of my high gain amps
 
braintheory said:
It will both sound & feel very different from the current amps you have and the ones you sold, so it’s definitely good contrast. The Wizard’s & Fryette’s will be less saturated & have hollow/flat midrange (not scooped, but the character itself in that frequency range lacks growl & personality/character or what I perceive as just tone), so not sure how you may or may not get along with that, but for me, the things they excel at (punch, clarity & openness) more than make up for what I hear as some tonal short comings. Adding a pedal to boost can help, but they still won’t be like your current amps in that regard and the MTL imo doesn’t take most boosts well

I don’t know about the Uber Ultra (only heard Reza’s clip), but my original version Uberschall fwiw has a lot of overlap with my Beta & Recto‘s, but still has enough of its own thing to be a keeper and even top 4 or 5 of my high gain amps
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Yeah, Wizard and Fryette amps are opposite side of what I have. The reason I wanted to try Fryette or Wizard is I am getting tired of saturated amps. Maybe they fit me or not, I wanna try something what I haven't tried.
 
Redneckstomp said:
Yeah, Wizard and Fryette amps are opposite side of what I have. The reason I wanted to try Fryette or Wizard is I am getting tired if saturated amps. Maybe they fit me or not, I wanna try something what I haven't tried.
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Yeah I had a feeling you were and in that case the Wizard I think would be a great choice to have something different. A Naylor I think could also potentially work well if you can find one. I like lots of variety too, so I’m stuck with lots of stuff lol
 
braintheory said:
Yeah I had a feeling you were and in that case the Wizard I think would be a great choice to have something different. A Naylor I think could also potentially work well if you can find one. I like lots of variety too, so I’m stuck with lots of stuff lol
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Can you tell me what is your go to amp??
 
braintheory said:
I don’t really have a single go to that I play that much more often than my other amps, but if I had to choose a favorite I’d probably say my Rev C of what I’ve got
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I have tremoverb. I had multiwatt recto. I prefer tremoverb to multiwatt. I wanna try early recto c to f. But they are hard to find and their prices are insane thesedays.
 
braintheory said:
Yeah I had a feeling you were and in that case the Wizard I think would be a great choice to have something different. A Naylor I think could also potentially work well if you can find one. I like lots of variety too, so I’m stuck with lots of stuff lol
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Agree about the Naylor. Naylors have a really raw, dry-ish attack that’s not at all saturated, and a wicked lower mid growl to them. They also get absolutely vicious with a boost. IMO they’re like a perfect hybrid of a JCM800 and Recto.
 
Fryette UL is good high gain amp... But Wizard is even crazier... After hearing Reza clip on youtube on the new Bogner Uber Ultra I think it's a closer fight to the wizard than Fryette....
 
I own a Deliverance and Wizard MCII (plus own/owned tons more amps), once I got my MTL I found the one.

There is a separate saturation and gain knob and that can take you from that Fryette dry articulate crunch all the way up to liquid lead sounds (ok maybe liquid is the wrong word to use for a Wizard as it still retains that punchy DNA) but what I'm saying is it covers a lot of ground, and sounds good doing it!

This is coming from someone with a 50watt E34L MTL MK2, I'm sure the 100/150/200 watters would be even more jaw dropping. I expected the MCII to be my favorite, and its GREAT but when I got the MTL it blew my mind. My vote: get the MTL and don't look back.
 
braintheory said:
It will both sound & feel very different from the current amps you have and the ones you sold, so it’s definitely good contrast. The Wizard’s & Fryette’s will be less saturated & have hollow/flat midrange (not scooped, but the character itself in that frequency range lacks growl & personality/character or what I perceive as just tone), so not sure how you may or may not get along with that, but for me, the things they excel at (punch, clarity & openness) more than make up for what I hear as some tonal short comings. Adding a pedal to boost can help, but they still won’t be like your current amps in that regard and the MTL imo doesn’t take most boosts well.
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I haven't played a Fryette myself, but I agree with your description of Wizards. I didn't like the MTL Mk2 I had. Could not find a pleasing sound in it. Amp was very smoothed out and compressed. Just not an interesting tone to me.

OP, keep the amps you already have and save thousands of dollars. They all sound better than a Wizard for metal in my honest opinion.
 
pipboy90 said:
I haven't played a Fryette myself, but I agree with your description of Wizards. I didn't like the MTL Mk2 I had. Could not find a pleasing sound in it. Amp was very smoothed out and compressed. Just not an interesting tone to me.

OP, keep the amps you already have and save thousands of dollars. They all sound better than a Wizard for metal in my honest opinion.
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I’ve not tried a Mk2, but I’ve got a 2016 MTL & used to own a 1996 MC and I’d consider both amps to be quite open/uncompressed, but not as much so as some guys on the forums exaggerate them to be. The tone part I can understand, but the compression part sounds off to me unless the Mk2’s are maybe more compressed. If you didn’t like that Wizard then my guess would be you’d probably like the Fryette’s even less
 
braintheory said:
I’ve not tried a Mk2, but I’ve got a 2016 MTL & used to own a 1996 MC and I’d consider both amps to be quite open/uncompressed, but not as much so as some guys on the forums exaggerate them to be. The tone part I can understand, but the compression part sounds off to me unless the Mk2’s are maybe more compressed. If you didn’t like that Wizard then my guess would be you’d probably like the Fryette’s even less
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I’ve owned/own multiples both versions and there is nothing smooth or compressed about them. They’re actually similar. Not sure if his had some sort of issue or not. Or how it was dialed in (I’m assuming that’s not the case, but who knows)
 
You can get them have a bit more sag and compression with the contour, which from what I understand affects the negative feedback, but even contour on zero smoothed out or compressed isn't a word I'd use to describe any Wizard I've played, maybe yours had an issue? Every one I've heard/played has a dynamic attack that hits hard, so much so I'd almost say thats the trademark character of a Wizard across the board that sets it apart from other Marshall lineage amps just like you can always spot a Fryette amp by their dryness/clarity.
 
Never mind, I thought @pipboy90 said MCII, still don't think they are compressed but I could def see MTL being more compressed depending on where that saturation knob is set
 
Cenotaph said:
Never mind, I thought @pipboy90 said MCII, still don't think they are compressed but I could def see MTL being more compressed depending on where that saturation knob is set
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Yeah, the MTL Mk2 was definitely more compressed in comparison to the MCII, but not as compressed as say a Diezel Herbert.
 
mhenson42 said:
I’ve owned/own multiples both versions and there is nothing smooth or compressed about them. They’re actually similar. Not sure if his had some sort of issue or not. Or how it was dialed in (I’m assuming that’s not the case, but who knows)
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Definitely not compressed, but I think the smoothness part applies more to their midrange vs amps that have more growl & character going on in that area like the old Marshall’s & other amps in that ballpark. I like the frosty, aggressive highs also on my MTL. I don’t remember my ‘96 MC one having that as much
 
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