Cab question about X-pattern speakers

[gbsmusic]

I have a chance to get a Bogner Ubercab with the X-Pattern Vin-30's and G12T75 speakers. I've never heard one of these. In you opinion how do they sound compaired to a straight loaded Bogner with all Vin-30's? I have an XTC BTW. Thank you.

 

[droptrd]

Never heard the Uber but I love that combo. The V30 X T75 rules in recto and marshall cabs. Just enought cut with a tight powerful lowend and smooth highs.

I know theyre not an Uber cab. Just sayin

 

[nighttrain69]

i have that combo in a framus cab,and i think it sounds great

 

[DEWD]

I've had both cabs and the Uber cab is awesome. Get it and don't look back.

 

[glpg80]

v30's will offer a warm character to your tone with great definition on solo's, and the 75's will handle the business down low and have a really really defined type of character.

great mix for metal and greater recording possibilities.

also - i recommend taking the X pattern and turning it into a top and bottom pattern - 75's on the bottom and 30's on the top.

you will thank me afterwards

 

[Digital Jams]

I'll be first......

I do not like mixing speakers because imo you can change the characteristics of each model by housing them in the same enclosure. I like to pick what speaker sounds best and run with that.

 

[gbsmusic]

I figured I'd ask here. I dont have any way to A/B cabs. I wont be playing much full on metal but good hard rock, 80's type tones..

 

[glpg80]

I'll be first......

I do not like mixing speakers because imo you can change the characteristics of each model by housing them in the same enclosure. I like to pick what speaker sounds best and run with that.

scott i have to agree 100% on this one too, but i just cant afford to have that many cabinets laying around

FWIW the top and bottom setup helps with this a bit. i too do not like mixing speakers but i dont have much of a choice

 

[glpg80]

I figured I'd ask here. I dont have any way to A/B cabs. I wont be playing much full on metal but good hard rock, 80's type tones..

you might need to play it first then. you would probably like the V30's themselves without the 75's if you are not playing really heavy type of music with a heavy style of playing IMHO

75's in my experience offer great clean tones mixed with V30's - but also offer great definition and solid low end reproduction - but it really depends on the amplifier to be honest. ive heard great amplifiers sound terrible through 75's that sounded awsome with V30's, and amplifiers that sound great through both.

i actually prefer greenbacks and V30's, rather than 75's or lead 80's.

if money was no problem, i would own a cabinet loaded with 75's all by itself though justfor the clean tones and their ability to get down to business. but i play anything from originals, dokken, firewind, mystic prophecy, paul gilbert/racer x covers, to all the classic rock cover hits that get you the bar gigs of course.

if you can play them it would do you alot of good - its definately a speaker that is great - just depends on the player and the tonal needs they are looking to forfill.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

I'll be first......

I do not like mixing speakers because imo you can change the characteristics of each model by housing them in the same enclosure. I like to pick what speaker sounds best and run with that.

scott i have to agree 100% on this one too, but i just cant afford to have that many cabinets laying around

FWIW the top and bottom setup helps with this a bit. i too do not like mixing speakers but i dont have much of a choice

I agree I don't like them together in one cab,but love them mixed with 2 different cabs you can really hear the speakers delivering there own characteristics.

 

[Digital Jams]

I figured I'd ask here. I dont have any way to A/B cabs. I wont be playing much full on metal but good hard rock, 80's type tones..

Well for 80s tones imo you are looking at greenbacks or simular designed speakers such as Scumback.

FWIW I can't say enough about getting several cabinets, I have heard amp sound pretty good in one cab and just incredible in another due to different speakers. When I see a guy dismiss an amp when he has one cab loaded one way imo he did not get the best out of that amp.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

better!


that speaker combo, and more specifically that cab are tried and true!


imho, that's a damned hard combo to beat for a single 4x12. you'd either have to get into English greenies, Weber or Scumbacks to do better for 80's rock. or something crazy for super heavy balls to the wall drop tune.

 

[gbsmusic]

I figured I'd ask here. I dont have any way to A/B cabs. I wont be playing much full on metal but good hard rock, 80's type tones..

Well for 80s tones imo you are looking at greenbacks or simular designed speakers such as Scumback.

FWIW I can't say enough about getting several cabinets, I have heard amp sound pretty good in one cab and just incredible in another due to different speakers. When I see a guy dismiss an amp when he has one cab loaded one way imo he did not get the best out of that amp.

My wallet just cant handle that right now

 

[Ventura]

Depends a lot on the amp... I played mine through an Uberschall TJ and a Blue. The X pattern was explicitly designed as the "UberKab" for the Uberschall - at least to the best of my knowledge. It sounded great. I did hook up my VH4 (at the time) to it, and it sucked compared to the Diezel RL 4x12 loaded with G12H30 70th Anniversary drivers in it. Completely night and day. Overall, V30's are not my favorite speakers - not by a long shot. But what I've come to realize with them is that they do have their applications. I'm in line for a new Mak 4 preamp. These are considered ultra tight as it is. Since they have both the Dorado and the Makoplex channel on them, each preferring different power tubes to really shine - I was stuck. The EL34 powered amps won't help the Dorado side, and the the other poweramps are mostly 6L6 which won't help the Makoplex side. I went with a Fryette 2:90:2 driven by - even tighter and more surgical - KT88's. SO much headroom it's ridiculous.

Why am I talking about this? Well, I'm going to use a cab that's either loaded with or has an X pattern of V30's in it to compensate for the tight & dry tones of the Mak 4. Since the poweramp can't do both, I'll get a clean and clear power amp, and hope that the V30's give it more mid grit chewiness, and therefore, more musicality. If the amp was loaded with gobs of juiciness - I'd probably opt out of V30's, or, conversely, if the amp was compressed and thick, I'd stay away too.

Long story short, the X pattern has its place, but I'd never commit to one without trying it with my amp of preference first. In the above example, the Mak 4, there's a good chance I'm going with a 2x12 loaded with G12K100's and a 4x12 loaded with V30's - the 2x12 will be the lower cab, and will cover the high depth, high bass from the power amp - the top 4x12 will cover the mids and up. And with the V30's in there, either exclusively or X'd with something also strong and rich, I should be able to get the best out of this otherwise "tight and dry" preamp and poweramp combination.

V.

 

[madrigal77]

Kirk Hammet seems to like that combo

 

[some dude]

I ran the V30/G12T combo for around a year in an Orange cab. At first I liked it.... the V30s provided the midrange that the G12Ts lack while the G12Ts provided the top and bottom end that the V30s lack. The V30s also smoothed out the G12T brightness while the G12Ts smoothed out the V30 upper mid spike.

It got old however. The G12Ts extra bottom end meant I was always dialing back my amp to compensate, and usually still having too much boom. Plus, the G12Ts had a scratchy top end really got on my nerves. I eventually ditched the G12Ts and went back to all V30s.

I'm currently using a V30/G12M (Greenback) mix, although in two seperate 4x12s so I can mix and match as appropriate.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

i dig the X Pattern combo in most stuff. The V30/GT75 is a staple. Always sounded good with most amps. I also dig V30/K100 in an X. Use that with my VH4...KILLS!!!

 

[tonmazz]

Just my 2 cents, lately I have been digging the V30/75 mix in a buddy's cab, sounds great in a band environment which surprised me because I just sold that very set up. I am really in love with a CL80/g1280 x pattern. These speakers have so much warmth and bottom but still have the mid cut and sizzle of a Greenback without flubbing out. Haven't played these in a band mix yet so no idea if they would have the cut of the other but in the basement thay are a blast!

 

[vchizzle]

I don't like 75's, but I really like the Uberkab. I have 2 of them
I kind of find all V30's spikey in Bogner cabs(though not in other cabs I've owned-they're my favorite speakers) - The 75's seem to kind of tame that down.

 

[D-Rock]

I think it's totally dependant on the amp used. I was just going through this last night at home. Only my setup is a little different.
I have a 1960A with T75's and WGS Retro 30's in an X pattern, which makes for a 300 watt cab. (I've never used actual V30's with T75's)
With my mid heavy and bright GH50L, this cab is so warm and juicy sounding with great clarity and thump.
Through my all V30 Mesa 4x12 or 2x12 the amp sounds muffled and conghested. The more I turn up the master, the two 60 watt V30's in my 2x12 just turn to mush. They just don't sound as good as the x pattern at high and low volumes. But my Peavey sounds better through the V30's alone than the x pattern 1960A.....
I have three 4x12's and one 2x12 with different speakers. IMO it's the only way to go when you have multiple amps.