Cameron type amps

[Zachman]

FourT6and2:

Don't listen to those who are high on pixie dust and unicorn farts. You can't reason with them. They have an idea stuck in their head about what they think an amp is or is not and they just can't see past it. For the record I have not ever owned a Cameron and will not just on principle. I am sure they sound great and guys who love them then hey, more power to you! I'm glad you are happy with them, but it is silly to think that only something with that name on it can get those sounds and nothing else built can get there.

I know exactly where you are coming from and what you are saying and couldn't agree more. Unlike most of the people bashing Ceriatone, I actually own one and am very happy with it right alongside my more snooty, boutique amps, which I also love. I actually have a second Ceriatone ordered and on it's way to me soon. Now, given the amps I own would I actually order a SECOND Ceriatone if they were junk? Haters gonna hate, nutswingers gonna swing, bitches gonna bitch, so on and so on.

To me, guitar, amps, fx, etc... are tools to make music, and most of them cover similar territory, but I realize not everyone has the same tone targets in mind, nor do they necessarily require the versatility of having a large selection of gear. Sometimes, close enough will do, while at other times, 'Close enough' is too far away.

When it comes to MY gear, my opinion is the only one that matters, unless I'm getting paid to play something for someone else, THEN having the tools that will facilitate THAT, sure is useful-- BUT only if one knows how to make it happen.

I have no beef with that whatsoever. I'm glad you are happy with your gear. You do have a lot of absolutely badass gear that I would LOVE to play and try out. I wasn't ragging on you for loving your Cameron amps. You are entitled to that and I'm happy you like them. I just won't ever own one on principle. That is just my choice. What I am talking about is the blind fanboyism that goes on where people knock things they've never even given a chance and scream that one amp or brand or another is the be all, end all of a certain style of amp.

My $.02, if you get a used Cameron modded amp, or Cameron Amplification amp-- the principal sort of becomes a moot point, does it not?

Well... If the principle were purely financial/monetary gain for the builder then yes it would become a moot point, but that's not all it's really about for me. That's just me talking and IMO. YMMV.

Now I'm curious. What principal are you talking about, which would stop you from purchasing a used awesome amp that sounds great?

You said, "What I am talking about is the blind fanboyism that goes on where people knock things they've never even given a chance and scream that one amp or brand or another is the be all, end all of a certain style of amp."

Seems like blind fanboyism taken to a new inverted level this principal of not owning an amp that you've never tried because of
?hate? I believe the word normally used to describe this phenomenon is hypocrisy. Please clarify

Call it anything you like. You should notice I never launched any HATE at anything or anyone and I never stated anything negative about the Cameron amp itself. As I said earlier, I'm sure they sound great and I'm happy for anyone who has one and is happy with it. I, however, will not own one. I didn't knock an amp I've never tried, just said I won't own one. I'm entitled to that choice and opinion and don't much give a damn if anyone else likes it or not.

No worries. You absolutely have a right to your opinion. I was just hoping you could articulate your reasoning, and it appears you can't or choose not to for whatever reason. Oh well...

I suppose under the circumstances this illustrates the fact that the saying, "some opinions are more equal than others", exists for a reason.

Rock on

 

[Chester Nimitz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_ethics



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honesty



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_theft

People are always going to sell Heroin & Cocaine but that doesn't mean its the right thing.

Its not about Amps. If you can't see that you have no moral compass.

 

[Racerxrated]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_ethics



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honesty



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_theft

People are always going to sell Heroin & Cocaine but that doesn't mean its the right thing.

Its not about Amps. If you can't see that you have no moral compass.

You are a complete moron. Honestly, I've read some stupid shit here over the years but I swear to Christ you have shit for brains.

You equate buying a used amp with a mod, with supporting the builder who did the mod 20 years ago??

Yeah ok. Fucking idiot.

Owning a Cameron Modded Marshall I bought from Steve K is supporting Cameron.
Ok.
Dipshit.

 

[Chester Nimitz]

I dont own a Cameron you seem to overlook the entire point.

However the best sounding Aldrich ive heard was a John Suhr modded [not cam] owned by Steve K cuz he has exceptional taste in gear.

I stand corrected it wasn't a MC amp i liked it was JS.

I woulda bought this amp in a heartbeat.



Back at you Fucking Idiot.

 

[paulyc]

This. Thread. Delivers. Every. Time.

 

[Chester Nimitz]

METAL UP YER ASS ...

 

[psychodave]

I dont own a Cameron you seem to overlook the entire point.

However the best sounding Aldrich ive heard was a John Suhr modded [not cam] owned by Steve K cuz he has exceptional taste in gear.

I stand corrected it wasn't a MC amp i liked it was JS.

I woulda bought this amp in a heartbeat.



Back at you Fucking Idiot.

Hearing and playing are two different concepts. Suhr amps sound good, but they don't have a good feel to them. OTOH, Cameron amps (and a bunch of others) sound and feel good.

 

[Chester Nimitz]

Yes & no.

Thats like saying to know if a band sucks you have to play thru their gear. Or to know if a singer cant hit notes you have to use his mic.

People either have an "Ear" or they don't and most don't.


There are no absolutes when it comes to "modded" stuff.

I guarantee that amp of Steves would slay Dragons.

I don't think John does mods anymore for average folks.

 

[metalmaniac93]

This. Thread. Delivers. Every. Time.

 

[SpiderWars]

This. Thread. Delivers. Every. Time.

And if it slows down all one has to do is say; "But...Ceriatone..." and it starts delivering yet again.

 

[paulyc]

Let's try...CERIATONE BITCHES !!!

 

[paulyc]

Let the butthurt begin again...and again...and again...LOL

 

[Chester Nimitz]

 

[thisguy]

The Dunning-Kruger effect is in full force at rig talk.

 

[metalmaniac93]

Ceriatone all the way.

 

[Chester Nimitz]

Someone stated when you buy Ceriatone kits there is no directions just parts.

That would be hard to pull off for anybody.

 

[SpiderWars]

Someone stated when you buy Ceriatone kits there is no directions just parts.

That would be hard to pull off for anybody.

No, it wouldn't. Tube amps are extremely easy to assemble and work on. The ones Ceriatone tend to clone are very simple. The rabbitt hole is deep with theory but you don't need any of that to assemble a clone. They give you a layout showing where everything goes.

 

[FourT6and2]

Someone stated when you buy Ceriatone kits there is no directions just parts.

That would be hard to pull off for anybody.

Right. You gotta know what you're doing. But it's not difficult.

What is a "kit" anyway? People think a "kit" is somehow ready-made, easy-to-put-together. What Metro used to have is a real kit. You get instructions that literally walk you through the process, step-by-step. Ceriatone isn't really selling "kits." You get all the parts in one box instead of sourcing them all yourself from Mouser, Digi-Key, Farnell, etc. But it's not a "kit" in that they tell you how to build the thing. You need to know what you're doing. There's a layout diagram though.

Personally, it saves a lot of time and effort to get all the parts from one source. But at the same time, it's probably a bit cheaper to source them all yourself from Mouser, et. al.

People tend to look down on "kit amps." But at the end of the day, a box of parts from one place is the same as a bunch of boxes of parts from a bunch of different places. In the end, you still need to know how to build the thing.

 

[Anonymous]

Someone stated when you buy Ceriatone kits there is no directions just parts.

That would be hard to pull off for anybody.

No, it wouldn't. Tube amps are extremely easy to assemble and work on. The ones Ceriatone tend to clone are very simple. The rabbitt hole is deep with theory but you don't need any of that to assemble a clone. They give you a layout showing where everything goes.

Someone who knows nothing about soldering, electronics, the guts of amps or order of assembly, working JUST from a layout, would have BIG problems assembling a Yeti or Chup. Don't make it seem that simple. With an assembly guide that specified the order of assembly, length of wires, etc. I'd say anyone willing to learn decent soldering skills could do it - without instructions, very difficult unless you know your way around an amp.

Steve

 

[Red_Label]

Holy embedded posts Batman!

I learned in this thread that you can just skip forward to the end and read all of the embedded posts in a single post to see the contents of an entire thread. Though good luck trying to keep track of who exactly said what in that mess.