Cameron type amps

[scottosan]

I use one of these. and at roughly $450 it beats spending $3k+ real cammeron. One of my two favourite MTS mods.

http://salvationaudio.com/index.php?page=camerock

The preamp can pre copied all you want. People do realize that most of the higher end amps have different things going on in the power/NFB/presence part of the circuits to give them part of the signature tone.

Agreed. I am fortunate to have correct values and missing components to have modded this Yeti into Mark's CCV Channel 2.

did you use the schematics on the net?

No, I was given the data straight from the source as everything on the net and Ceriaclone are missing key components and values. Guess I will be ostracized now.

I don't care. Mark has taught me much. As we know Mark custom built each amp for the customer this is why the CCV's he did build sounded different. Some like Marshall and some more like a boogie. (i.e. Rockin Chippy's video question on CCV's to Mark.) I made a couple of tweaks that I prefer...

Thanks Mark.

Last I knew we were supposed to be discussing "Cameron Type Amps"...Well we all know that Ceriaclone has a few models based on Mark's work so I found it appropriate to post the Yeti with proper conversions.

Get well soon lmao...

David

The reason I asked is that I agree the. Scottosan he sticks are way of. Even if if you modified your amp, the stock Ceriatone power transformers and filtering is way off. To do it right would be pretty substantial

 

[NewReligion]

I use one of these. and at roughly $450 it beats spending $3k+ real cammeron. One of my two favourite MTS mods.

http://salvationaudio.com/index.php?page=camerock

The preamp can pre copied all you want. People do realize that most of the higher end amps have different things going on in the power/NFB/presence part of the circuits to give them part of the signature tone.

Agreed. I am fortunate to have correct values and missing components to have modded this Yeti into Mark's CCV Channel 2.

did you use the schematics on the net?

No, I was given the data straight from the source as everything on the net and Ceriaclone are missing key components and values. Guess I will be ostracized now.

I don't care. Mark has taught me much. As we know Mark custom built each amp for the customer this is why the CCV's he did build sounded different. Some like Marshall and some more like a boogie. (i.e. Rockin Chippy's video question on CCV's to Mark.) I made a couple of tweaks that I prefer...

Thanks Mark.

Last I knew we were supposed to be discussing "Cameron Type Amps"...Well we all know that Ceriaclone has a few models based on Mark's work so I found it appropriate to post the Yeti with proper conversions.

Get well soon lmao...

David

The reason I asked is that I agree the. Scottosan he sticks are way of. Even if if you modified your amp, the stock Ceriatone power transformers and filtering is way off. To do it right would be pretty substantial

Right on. Changing transformers is a breeze. Sounds pretty similar when preamp is slaved out to the return loop of one of my actual Cameron's or BE 100's. These transformers will be changed out as I get bored and am retired just traveling, playing music and goofing with amps when not recording. Yes I agree they make a difference sometimes but I hear as much difference when using different cabs. I had a 1978 JMP 2203 someone put a MM in...HATED it as it sounded like a Mesa. Other than the OT it was stock....puke sounded like ass. ♪

 

[Racerxrated]

I use one of these. and at roughly $450 it beats spending $3k+ real cammeron. One of my two favourite MTS mods.

http://salvationaudio.com/index.php?page=camerock

The preamp can pre copied all you want. People do realize that most of the higher end amps have different things going on in the power/NFB/presence part of the circuits to give them part of the signature tone.

Agreed. I am fortunate to have correct values and missing components to have modded this Yeti into Mark's CCV Channel 2.

did you use the schematics on the net?

No, I was given the data straight from the source as everything on the net and Ceriaclone are missing key components and values. Guess I will be ostracized now.

I don't care. Mark has taught me much. As we know Mark custom built each amp for the customer this is why the CCV's he did build sounded different. Some like Marshall and some more like a boogie. (i.e. Rockin Chippy's video question on CCV's to Mark.) I made a couple of tweaks that I prefer...

Thanks Mark.

Last I knew we were supposed to be discussing "Cameron Type Amps"...Well we all know that Ceriaclone has a few models based on Mark's work so I found it appropriate to post the Yeti with proper conversions.

Get well soon lmao...

David

The reason I asked is that I agree the. Scottosan he sticks are way of. Even if if you modified your amp, the stock Ceriatone power transformers and filtering is way off. To do it right would be pretty substantial

Right on. Changing transformers is a breeze. Sounds pretty similar when preamp is slaved out to the return loop of one of my actual Cameron's or BE 100's. These transformers will be changed out as I get bored and am retired just traveling, playing music and goofing with amps when not recording. Yes I agree they make a difference sometimes but I hear as much difference when using different cabs. I had a 1978 JMP 2203 someone put a MM in...HATED it as it sounded like a Mesa. Other than the OT it was stock....puke sounded like ass. ♪

I'm not a fan of the MM transformers. Especially with a Marshall...stock is always better IMO.

 

[NewReligion]

I use one of these. and at roughly $450 it beats spending $3k+ real cammeron. One of my two favourite MTS mods.

http://salvationaudio.com/index.php?page=camerock

The preamp can pre copied all you want. People do realize that most of the higher end amps have different things going on in the power/NFB/presence part of the circuits to give them part of the signature tone.

Agreed. I am fortunate to have correct values and missing components to have modded this Yeti into Mark's CCV Channel 2.

did you use the schematics on the net?

No, I was given the data straight from the source as everything on the net and Ceriaclone are missing key components and values. Guess I will be ostracized now.

I don't care. Mark has taught me much. As we know Mark custom built each amp for the customer this is why the CCV's he did build sounded different. Some like Marshall and some more like a boogie. (i.e. Rockin Chippy's video question on CCV's to Mark.) I made a couple of tweaks that I prefer...

Thanks Mark.

Last I knew we were supposed to be discussing "Cameron Type Amps"...Well we all know that Ceriaclone has a few models based on Mark's work so I found it appropriate to post the Yeti with proper conversions.

Get well soon lmao...

David

The reason I asked is that I agree the. Scottosan he sticks are way of. Even if if you modified your amp, the stock Ceriatone power transformers and filtering is way off. To do it right would be pretty substantial

Right on. Changing transformers is a breeze. Sounds pretty similar when preamp is slaved out to the return loop of one of my actual Cameron's or BE 100's. These transformers will be changed out as I get bored and am retired just traveling, playing music and goofing with amps when not recording. Yes I agree they make a difference sometimes but I hear as much difference when using different cabs. I had a 1978 JMP 2203 someone put a MM in...HATED it as it sounded like a Mesa. Other than the OT it was stock....puke sounded like ass. ♪

I'm not a fan of the MM transformers. Especially with a Marshall...stock is always better IMO.

Agreed on the MM transformers...♪

 

[EXPcustom]

I got to say that I remember almost ten years ago dropping in on this forum and seeing the camaraderie, guys jam together and doing clips and amp meetups was awesome.

For whatever reason a lot of amp forums died because certain people and usually just a hand full because there was a very vocal minority of negativity. it was the ones that didn't participate in the meetups or contributed to the wealth of knowledge or just out of sheer jealously because for whatever reason they lacked the gear or financially.

I noticed the vocal minority usually didn't contribute or if they did it was bare minimum of copy and paste of old members knowledgable post. Two; didn't have real life experience in either playing in a band or actually being in the music business. Three; in real life lacked a job, gear or combination of the two witch lead to them with excessive forum posting time. Lack of moderation by not removing these people or giving them multiple "chances" regardless of contribution, lead to the mass exodus of "cool" folks or "lurkers in the biz" which originally built this forum.

I noticed now most of the action is on Facebook and since most people have to use their real names their is less shit posting.

All of the above not only lead to the demise of this forum but most guitar forums in general.

 

[EXPcustom]

Just to clarify when I say lacked financially I didn;t mean it in a blues lawyer way.

Most people know me just refer to me as "Ghetto Rich"

but anyways their are plenty of people who may not own a ton of gear but because they were in the business or exposed to it in one way or another have tons of legit information.

Point was the negative ones usual lacked any experience with the amps or gear being discussed and just brought overall morale down.

 

[NewReligion]

I got to say that I remember almost ten years ago dropping in on this forum and seeing the camaraderie, guys jam together and doing clips and amp meetups was awesome.

For whatever reason a lot of amp forums died because certain people and usually just a hand full because there was a very vocal minority of negativity. it was the ones that didn't participate in the meetups or contributed to the wealth of knowledge or just out of sheer jealously because for whatever reason they lacked the gear or financially.

I noticed the vocal minority usually didn't contribute or if they did it was bare minimum of copy and paste of old members knowledgable post. Two; didn't have real life experience in either playing in a band or actually being in the music business. Three; in real life lacked a job, gear or combination of the two witch lead to them with excessive forum posting time. Lack of moderation by not removing these people or giving them multiple "chances" regardless of contribution, lead to the mass exodus of "cool" folks or "lurkers in the biz" which originally built this forum.

I noticed now most of the action is on Facebook and since most people have to use their real names their is less shit posting.

All of the above not only lead to the demise of this forum but most guitar forums in general.

I'm a noob. Signed David Hopkins...a.k.a. New Religion ♪

You need to keep it real. I would love to hear idea's and actual playing etc...

Cameron on one side Friedman on the other...

Cheers to You and Mark ♪

 

[NewReligion]

Okay, in sticking to the subject "Cameron Type Amps" I made a comparison between output transformers using the Cameron Type Amp Preamp and Power amp then Cameron Type Amp Preamp effects send out to actual Cameron modded Marshall 2204 loop return to Power amp.

Transformers...

I did run the newly modded amp (Ceriaclone) again through a 50 watt Dagnall which did drop some top end but I was able to dial in to the same freq and filter feel as the same cheap Ceriaclone by a simple turning of the presence and treble...

I had to double check myself. In summary yes, same mod on different Transformers, Tubes and Cabs can really fuck you way off point of course.

Both amps were measuring between 430VAC and 470VAC...HOWEVER it should be mentioned one amps send modded Ceriaclone amp was a non affected (no board, no components) insertion loop and the receiving power amp was a 2204 Cameron mod with a Metro Zero Loss loop which does darken things a bit. IMO My $.02

David ♪

 

[Racerxrated]

I got to say that I remember almost ten years ago dropping in on this forum and seeing the camaraderie, guys jam together and doing clips and amp meetups was awesome.

For whatever reason a lot of amp forums died because certain people and usually just a hand full because there was a very vocal minority of negativity. it was the ones that didn't participate in the meetups or contributed to the wealth of knowledge or just out of sheer jealously because for whatever reason they lacked the gear or financially.

I noticed the vocal minority usually didn't contribute or if they did it was bare minimum of copy and paste of old members knowledgable post. Two; didn't have real life experience in either playing in a band or actually being in the music business. Three; in real life lacked a job, gear or combination of the two witch lead to them with excessive forum posting time. Lack of moderation by not removing these people or giving them multiple "chances" regardless of contribution, lead to the mass exodus of "cool" folks or "lurkers in the biz" which originally built this forum.

I noticed now most of the action is on Facebook and since most people have to use their real names their is less shit posting.

All of the above not only lead to the demise of this forum but most guitar forums in general.

Lots of truth here, I joined in 12 but had lurked for a few yrs before. Most of the info I've learned came from here and other forums, from long ago.

 

[sg guy]

-I don't think a few bad apples ruined the forums, the new culture of music changed, its not as cool to play guitar as anymore, the -MILLENIALS- have better things to do, -shit-!!! they got 3 or 4 devices going all the time, ever see a bunch of teenagers hanging out, it don't matter the size of the group, every single one of them are buried in there devices -(Together,... BUT STILL ALL ALONE)-

 

[errrrrl]

I like the GuitarAmpBoard (GAB). Good guys over there and a minimum of crap.

Steve

Never been there before... just checked it out... they have a recording forum! Gonna go lurk for awhile, thanks for sharing!

 

[shredhead7]

While I don't like to sling mud, I think that the mud slinging adds spice. It's like the old HC days. We all came here when they screwed that up. The fun part of that forum was that there were a lot of opinions, a lot of advice and some laughter along the way. If I wanted to hang out at a neutered forum, I would head over to the gear page. They have more users and more posts, but it's so clinical, blah.

It's Friday, I'm going home soon. Wife's at work, kids are at school. I'm going to fire up my Aldrich and crank out some lay it down.

 

[NewReligion]

While I don't like to sling mud, I think that the mud slinging adds spice. It's like the old HC days. We all came here when they screwed that up. The fun part of that forum was that there were a lot of opinions, a lot of advice and some laughter along the way. If I wanted to hang out at a neutered forum, I would head over to the gear page. They have more users and more posts, but it's so clinical, blah.

It's Friday, I'm going home soon. Wife's at work, kids are at school. I'm going to fire up my Aldrich and crank out some lay it down.

Hell yeah have fun. I do it every day lol. I owned 2 Aldrich's from Mark. One was a 1993 mod with the depth mod and a 5 way voice selection rotary on the back (it got around to a few of us I see). Another was a 2 channel.

David ♪

 

[Racerxrated]

While I don't like to sling mud, I think that the mud slinging adds spice. It's like the old HC days. We all came here when they screwed that up. The fun part of that forum was that there were a lot of opinions, a lot of advice and some laughter along the way. If I wanted to hang out at a neutered forum, I would head over to the gear page. They have more users and more posts, but it's so clinical, blah.

It's Friday, I'm going home soon. Wife's at work, kids are at school. I'm going to fire up my Aldrich and crank out some lay it down.

Hell yeah have fun. I do it every day lol. I owned 2 Aldrich's from Mark. One was a 1993 mod with the depth mod and a 5 way voice selection rotary on the back (it got around to a few of us I see). Another was a 2 channel.

David ♪

^^Pretty sure I had that Aldrich too. Had to be the quietest high gainer I've ever had. No Decimator needed.

 

[sg guy]

-I use the -NOISE FLOOR- as a Litmus Test on modder's-
-(factory amps as well)-

-(i havent had them all, but most of the well known modder's)- -(and that list of modder's is less than 5)-

 

[NewReligion]

-I use the -NOISE FLOOR- as a Litmus Test on modder's-
-(factory amps as well)-

-(i havent had them all, but most of the well known modder's)- -(and that list of modder's is less than 5)-

I look forward to hearing that Wizard.

 

[JerEvil]

I like the GuitarAmpBoard (GAB). Good guys over there and a minimum of crap.

Steve

Never been there before... just checked it out... they have a recording forum! Gonna go lurk for awhile, thanks for sharing!

I'll see you there! A few words of caution...

1) These boys are salty and we've know each other a LONG time - keep your skin thick and don't take stuff personally
2) Definitely lurk a while and see what the forum vibe is like. It ends up not being for everyone
3) A lot of dudes there are super gear savvy and have a good bit of knowledge

 

[scottosan]

Now that I have some insight that I didn't have when this thread originally kicked off, I would like to specifically comment on the Modded Marshalls sounding different than the CCV. When you mod, you are working with what you are given vs a new build, you get to choose every part. I would say that using the middle of the road settings the amp is very Marshally. The cool thing is that every switch on the CCV has a significant affect on the tone, unlike alot of amps, You can tell that alot of trial and error went into the design. The controls tapers, with exception to the volume in some of the CCV's are not only have a wide range, but are actually useable in most settings. This is an adjustment for someone that like to keep everything at 12:00. The goods are in the punch/voicing/dark/presence. You can significantly tailor the character of the amp. The voicing in the middle has the Marshall grind. To the left scoops and/or shifts the mids IMHO. But it's clearly in the vein of Marshall at heart.

 

[Alex_S]

Now that I have some insight that I didn't have when this thread originally kicked off, I would like to specifically comment on the Modded Marshalls sounding different than the CCV. When you mod, you are working with what you are given vs a new build, you get to choose every part. I would say that using the middle of the road settings the amp is very Marshally. The cool thing is that every switch on the CCV has a significant affect on the tone, unlike alot of amps, You can tell that alot of trial and error went into the design. The controls tapers, with exception to the volume in some of the CCV's are not only have a wide range, but are actually useable in most settings. This is an adjustment for someone that like to keep everything at 12:00. The goods are in the punch/voicing/dark/presence. You can significantly tailor the character of the amp. The voicing in the middle has the Marshall grind. To the left scoops and/or shifts the mids IMHO. But it's clearly in the vein of Marshall at heart.

Best description about the CCV yet. Very flexible, much more than most amps I’d call flexible. Middle setting has a strong Marshall with some Bogner character. But you can go far away from that tone. Actually it is not so hard to find the tone you want. I found it difficult though, as you can have similar but slightly different tones with very different combinations of setting. Maybe a luxury problem, but I was always fiddling to find the almost same tone with different settings. Like GAS within an amp