Can We please get some new EL34 options?

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Racerxrated":31nar2iw said:
FourT6and2":31nar2iw said:
Here's what I've tried:

SED WINGED =C=
I used to think these were made of tits and honey and shit. Mostly because everyone else said they sounded great. I used them for years in my Diezel VH4, Ceriatone Chupacabra, Cameron CCV, and I tried them in my Peters Hydra. Obviously, the same tubes are going to sound different depending on the amp. But for the most part, these are pretty good. Kind of a heavy, greasy mid-range. Like eating a Philly Cheese Steak covered in p'tater tots and mozzarella sticks. Lows are a little loose/bouncy/flubby at times, probs from all the cholesterol. Highs aren't harsh. Kind of swirly. Throw them in a mid-heavy, harsh high-end amp like a Marshall and you get instant rock and/or metal depending on the amp model and boost. After trying a few other tubes, these are no longer my favorite though. Also, bias on these tubes over the last year or so (on many sets that I've used) has drifted all over the place in every amp I've used. Quality is shit. Especially now that SED is no longer around. I had a pair red plate in my Einstein a few months ago. They were like 2 months old at the time.

ELECTRO HARMONIX
These actually surprised me. I have them in my Peters Hydra at the moment. The bias is always rock solid. Low end is tighter than the SEDs. Highs are nice and articulate. Mid range isn't as greasy/smeared. Just a balanced all-around tube for a good price. Nothing stands out about them. But nothing really that bad, either. No complaints yet.

RUBY BSTR and BHT
I can't remember which was which. I've tried them both. I think the BSTR was the one that resembled a 6L6 sort of. Increased lows and highs. Glassy in the highs. But too much for my taste. If I wanted a 6L6 I'd just go buy some and shoot myself because 6L6s suck. I think the BHTs were the ones that can handle crazy high voltages/current like the SEDs. Or maybe it was the other way around. Either way, neither of these two versions gave me a tonal boner. So I dumped them. They're pretty clear, non-descript sounding tubes though.

JJ E34L
Can't remember. Had them in my Uberschall. I think they had a tighter low-end. And more headroom than other tubes. Other than that, they were pretty good. Maybe a little nondescript.

JJ KT77
Another one that's a bit of a mix between an EL34 and 6L6. But more mids than the other tubes listed above. Tighter lows. Highs on the JJs are a little subdued. These sound meaty and mighty and other words that start with M. Quality is pretty crappy though. Flakes of mica floating around inside the tube. Bias that doesn't hold. But they sound pretty good. Nothing like a 6L6, even though I just said they resemble them. They just have the dynamic range of a 6L6 in terms of low end through to the highs. Yeah that's right, this tube is a fucking contradiction. Sounds good in my Diezel.

GOLD LION KT77
Not as thick or wide sounding as the JJs. But a more aggressive, snarly, pissed off mid range. High end is a tiny bit harsher-slash-kinda-glassy. I can't tell if the low end is tighter or looser than the JJs because I'm half deaf from rocking this bad boys. But definitely tighter than any EL34 I've tried. They can get a little gritty/grainy though if you're not careful. Careful of what, you ask? I don't know. Just watch yo'self. These tubes are pretty awesome, though. Probably a good replacement for the SEDs now.

RFT/SIEMENS EL34
I really want to try these. Anybody have experience with them?
IMO the Siemens are just as good or better than the Cs in my Marshalls..very nice.

Can you describe 'em for me? Tighter or looser in the low end? More aggressive in the mids or smoother? More prominent highs or rounder? They fall apart under volume? Or do they stay composed? Good in a high-gain amp or not so much?
 
RFT/seimens, are killer tone wise, they don't have quite as much thump but do you really crank your amp to 8 on the master? I usually don't so with that said, they are great unless you're cranking it past that. But the tone is amazing with these. The mids are insane.
 
I've had the most consistant results with JJE34L's. Been using them for probably going on 10 years now. Tried both Winged C's and the Ruby's in my Metro plexi and they were both fine but didn't shit on the JJ's. Just slightly different mids and top end but nothing that would probably be noticed in band. The Ruby's seemed to be very tight with larger pins so I was nervous if I used them a lot it would stretch the pin holders too much for other tubes.
 
Loudness250":3jij4jxn said:
RFT/seimens, are killer tone wise, they don't have quite as much thump but do you really crank your amp to 8 on the master? I usually don't so with that said, they are great unless you're cranking it past that. But the tone is amazing with these. The mids are insane.

Nah, I don't usually crank the master to the point where most power tubes are overdriven like whoa. But it is a 50 watt amp so it does start to get loose a bit earlier than a 100 watter. But if I can find some decent short-base ones from the '50s, '60s or long-base '70s versions for a decent price I'll grab some. But it looks like most of the ones from reputable dealers are later '80s versions that aren't as reliable. I found some good ones on eBay. But more expensive and no way of knowing if it's a scam or not. Especially since they're coming from Europe.
 
I've found most every JJ power tube I've owned crapped out really early. Very un-reliable.
 
I don't mind the Ruby,TAD, Chinese el34....but they really don't sound like an el34 and they don't last more than 6 months for me.

I've been using the GT EL34m lately. It's been pretty good sounding and lasts longer.
 
FourT6and2":2372jh7c said:
Racerxrated":2372jh7c said:
FourT6and2":2372jh7c said:
Here's what I've tried:

SED WINGED =C=
I used to think these were made of tits and honey and shit. Mostly because everyone else said they sounded great. I used them for years in my Diezel VH4, Ceriatone Chupacabra, Cameron CCV, and I tried them in my Peters Hydra. Obviously, the same tubes are going to sound different depending on the amp. But for the most part, these are pretty good. Kind of a heavy, greasy mid-range. Like eating a Philly Cheese Steak covered in p'tater tots and mozzarella sticks. Lows are a little loose/bouncy/flubby at times, probs from all the cholesterol. Highs aren't harsh. Kind of swirly. Throw them in a mid-heavy, harsh high-end amp like a Marshall and you get instant rock and/or metal depending on the amp model and boost. After trying a few other tubes, these are no longer my favorite though. Also, bias on these tubes over the last year or so (on many sets that I've used) has drifted all over the place in every amp I've used. Quality is shit. Especially now that SED is no longer around. I had a pair red plate in my Einstein a few months ago. They were like 2 months old at the time.

ELECTRO HARMONIX
These actually surprised me. I have them in my Peters Hydra at the moment. The bias is always rock solid. Low end is tighter than the SEDs. Highs are nice and articulate. Mid range isn't as greasy/smeared. Just a balanced all-around tube for a good price. Nothing stands out about them. But nothing really that bad, either. No complaints yet.

RUBY BSTR and BHT
I can't remember which was which. I've tried them both. I think the BSTR was the one that resembled a 6L6 sort of. Increased lows and highs. Glassy in the highs. But too much for my taste. If I wanted a 6L6 I'd just go buy some and shoot myself because 6L6s suck. I think the BHTs were the ones that can handle crazy high voltages/current like the SEDs. Or maybe it was the other way around. Either way, neither of these two versions gave me a tonal boner. So I dumped them. They're pretty clear, non-descript sounding tubes though.

JJ E34L
Can't remember. Had them in my Uberschall. I think they had a tighter low-end. And more headroom than other tubes. Other than that, they were pretty good. Maybe a little nondescript.

JJ KT77
Another one that's a bit of a mix between an EL34 and 6L6. But more mids than the other tubes listed above. Tighter lows. Highs on the JJs are a little subdued. These sound meaty and mighty and other words that start with M. Quality is pretty crappy though. Flakes of mica floating around inside the tube. Bias that doesn't hold. But they sound pretty good. Nothing like a 6L6, even though I just said they resemble them. They just have the dynamic range of a 6L6 in terms of low end through to the highs. Yeah that's right, this tube is a fucking contradiction. Sounds good in my Diezel.

GOLD LION KT77
Not as thick or wide sounding as the JJs. But a more aggressive, snarly, pissed off mid range. High end is a tiny bit harsher-slash-kinda-glassy. I can't tell if the low end is tighter or looser than the JJs because I'm half deaf from rocking this bad boys. But definitely tighter than any EL34 I've tried. They can get a little gritty/grainy though if you're not careful. Careful of what, you ask? I don't know. Just watch yo'self. These tubes are pretty awesome, though. Probably a good replacement for the SEDs now.

RFT/SIEMENS EL34
I really want to try these. Anybody have experience with them?
IMO the Siemens are just as good or better than the Cs in my Marshalls..very nice.

Can you describe 'em for me? Tighter or looser in the low end? More aggressive in the mids or smoother? More prominent highs or rounder? They fall apart under volume? Or do they stay composed? Good in a high-gain amp or not so much?
I would say that to me they are very similar to the Cs in every way but a little sweeter on the top end..when I use my Marshalls I boost them into high gain territory and they sound killer with great bite. As far as low end goes I don't dial it past 7 in so I really can't say..Marshalls don't give you much anyway with the Jubilee being the exception. The low end is tight and focused IMO..
 
Would like to try the RFT Siemens, but not recommended on amps with plate voltage over 450. Don't know if I wanna fork over the coin, if they aren't recommended.
 
crwnedblasphemy":14eg8yxt said:
Would like to try the RFT Siemens, but not recommended on amps with plate voltage over 450. Don't know if I wanna fork over the coin, if they aren't recommended.

Yeah same here. Some people are saying they hold up just fine. Others say they don't. Some say they've used them for years in their amps with no failures. I've never read an account where someone said they had one go bad. But then some tube vendors say not to try them. Then again, another tube vender I asked said they'll be fine.

Some people say they are loose and fall apart under high-gain and/or volume. Some other people say they hold up fine.

They are a contradiction apparently...
 
FourT6and2":zdxpdrb1 said:
crwnedblasphemy":zdxpdrb1 said:
Would like to try the RFT Siemens, but not recommended on amps with plate voltage over 450. Don't know if I wanna fork over the coin, if they aren't recommended.

Yeah same here. Some people are saying they hold up just fine. Others say they don't. Some say they've used them for years in their amps with no failures. I've never read an account where someone said they had one go bad. But then some tube vendors say not to try them. Then again, another tube vender I asked said they'll be fine.

Some people say they are loose and fall apart under high-gain and/or volume. Some other people say they hold up fine.

They are a contradiction apparently...

Vendors probably covering their butts not wanting something to go wrong with high dollar tubes. I am sure some still want the sale. Might just get a pair of Teslas...had some before. They are really really musical.
 
With the Russian and Ukraine mess, it wouldn't surprise me if New Sensor has supply issues
 
crwnedblasphemy":2f6ivljs said:
FourT6and2":2f6ivljs said:
crwnedblasphemy":2f6ivljs said:
Would like to try the RFT Siemens, but not recommended on amps with plate voltage over 450. Don't know if I wanna fork over the coin, if they aren't recommended.

Yeah same here. Some people are saying they hold up just fine. Others say they don't. Some say they've used them for years in their amps with no failures. I've never read an account where someone said they had one go bad. But then some tube vendors say not to try them. Then again, another tube vender I asked said they'll be fine.

Some people say they are loose and fall apart under high-gain and/or volume. Some other people say they hold up fine.

They are a contradiction apparently...

Vendors probably covering their butts not wanting something to go wrong with high dollar tubes. I am sure some still want the sale. Might just get a pair of Teslas...had some before. They are really really musical.

I was thinking about some NOS Teslas from the '60s or '70s too. I've heard they're comparable to the RFTs.
 
crwnedblasphemy":gqz7gd9i said:
Would like to try the RFT Siemens, but not recommended on amps with plate voltage over 450. Don't know if I wanna fork over the coin, if they aren't recommended.

There is a misconception about the whole 450 vdc thing with the RFT EL34s. They draw more Grid 2 current compared to other EL34s. If your amp has 1K5W screen grid resistors and the voltage drop is around 3-3.5 volts, this is 3-3.5 watts. If it draws more current, the voltage drop becomes bigger which can cause the amp to get too close or exceed the 5 watt rating of the 1K5W screen grid resistor. It will eventually burn up the screen grid resistor.

Bogner used these in the 100B, and some of those amps run at around 550 to 570 vdc on the plates. A lot of people use them in the Classic and 101B as well. Personally, I don't run them in my Classic or 101B, as these amps chew through power tubes. I've put them in a Fargen Olde 800 that ran at around 460-ish on the plates, and I've had them in a Tremoverb with the ultra-conservative Spongy/Tube Recto mode.

As far as the tone, they sound pretty damn good, but they don't quite have the low-end of a =C= EL34. They add a tad bit more presence throughout the bandwidth. They're not harsh though. The amp is just more up-front.

The Tesla EL34 is similar to the SED, but it sounds a little better. It's about as close as you're going to get to a Mullard without buying them. Marshall switched to Tesla EL34s in the 70's because the noise floor was better compared to the Mullards at the time. The only thing anyone should be a bit leery about with the old Teslas is the size of the pins. The sets I own have fat pins that can cause the sockets to need a re-tension. One of the sockets in my "Adam Jones" amp didn't fair so well after using them in there.

I'm kind of in the same boat you're in right now, as I was thinking about this very same thing not too long ago. It's not a good time for anyone that loves the EL34. I'm probably going to try out the Tung Sol EL34B and the Ruby BHT.

Hope this helps!
 
AndyK":3c7vfxy8 said:
I've found most every JJ power tube I've owned crapped out really early. Very un-reliable.

Interesting! These are recommended by Dave Friedman & I believe they come as standard in the BE100 amps
 
Alright I have some RFTs and JJs (both from the '60s) on order. We'll see how they fare.
 
FourT6and2":2h7gbuey said:
Alright I have some RFTs and JJs (both from the '60s) on order. We'll see how they fare.

Sweet man! Guessing u meant teslas. Let me know the outcome!
:rock:
 
crwnedblasphemy":30y5llj8 said:
FourT6and2":30y5llj8 said:
Alright I have some RFTs and JJs (both from the '60s) on order. We'll see how they fare.

Sweet man! Guessing u meant teslas. Let me know the outcome!
:rock:

ha yeah, my bad. I meant Teslas. Fuck dem jay jays
 
Let us know what you think. I always enjoy reading about what other people hear.
 
FourT6and2":1ukmhax1 said:
Alright I have some RFTs and JJs (both from the '60s) on order. We'll see how they fare.
If you never tried the Teslas or RFTs before get ready to go FUCK!!!! You will never buy new production tubes again :D
 
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