MetalHeadMike
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I do and I would not want to play without them.
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Racerxrated
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Tell us exactly your setup pls.....
MetalHeadMike
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I run two ISP subs using the Bray boxes, in conjunction with a K100 loaded 212 on top of whichever 412 fills the spot. I rotate between a GB EVH 412, Uberkab (V30/T75).
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GJgo
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Ted if it were me, I'd do something like..
- Main amp to the current cab.
- Slave out to one of your Mesa power amps, having it run the new more ass kicking cab.
- Adjust volume to taste.
Having a power amp running the second cab where you can balance volumes is the way, and negates most other blending issues.
- Main amp to the current cab.
- Slave out to one of your Mesa power amps, having it run the new more ass kicking cab.
- Adjust volume to taste.
Having a power amp running the second cab where you can balance volumes is the way, and negates most other blending issues.
Greazygeo
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Redback…they are very scooped on their own. I use a Redback with a V30 to get lows and highs since the v30 has neither.
Smash
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Redback punches you in the chest
fek
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Interesting. Have never used a slaved set up, but in the room that makes a lot of sense. Love your main cabs tone but wish it had just a bit more of something. Use the power amp volume to give it just that through a second cab. Good suggestion to the OP in my opinion!
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Nigel
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Yeah this, they have less output at 97dB so should blend well in terms of levels and mids.
GJgo
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If you set it up as I described above, it's crushing. Otherwise the 75s get lost.
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harddriver
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Great idea........................
Maybe a 2x12 with a Redback and V30 or whatever you like, maybe a redback, EVM12L or a Celestion Creamback H75 being driven by the slaved power amp that has a resonance/depth mod like the old Peavey 50/50's and 120/120's, a used Matrix GT1000FX or whatever you like would also do the job. Use a Suhr Iso line out or Bray box like MetalHeadmike to tap the signal from your Marshall speaker jack and then feed the line out level from the Suhr box to the power amp that drives the 2x12. You could even run an Graphic or Parametric EQ into the power amp to further sculpt what you want to hear low end wise.
Pretty simple setup and it may provide enough low end to your liking and you won't have to buy a powered ISP subwoofer setup.
Hey Metalheadmike, does ISP still make the powered sub setup anymore?
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DanTravis62
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I'd run a slave setup with a second cab
Exo-metal
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EXCEPT I don't want a whole cabs worth of another speaker just for the thump. I think the isp can work and work well.
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harddriver
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After you add up all the items to slave with a power amp you probably are just better off getting am ISP powered sub which just does the low end thing well and you won't have to keep trying different speakers.
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D-Rock
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I found simply adding a detuned 412 loaded with only two 150w Texas Heats introduced a huge amount of low end thump to my rig. Open back cabs will disperse and lose lowend out the back, but done out the front it essentially creates a huge bass echo chamber that resonates out the two empty front holes.
Exo-metal
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Detuned 4x12, is this a well known technique not discussed?
Anje
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Sorry I didn't understand from your initial post that you didn't want to add a 2nd cab in addition to your existing 70's creamback 4x12.
Do I understand correctly then that you want to setup a 2nd different cab, to be used alone? Or mod the existing 4x12?
If that's the case, I'd start by trying to change the bottom pair of creamback G12M and replace them by old G12H from the same period.
If that's too much of a change, try bass cone old G12M for the bottom row.
Exo-metal
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I bought a marshall bhw cab with G12H-30 55hz bass cones. The cab should sound incredible with my amp. I think it was Jeremy who had the same idea I had originally to play it as my main dry cab and slave into my creamback cabs.
I would love it if the H75 edition creamback came with bass cones to smooth out the high end some. Overall the H75 is really really good. Can these be modded from the lead cone to the bass, anyone?
I would love it if the H75 edition creamback came with bass cones to smooth out the high end some. Overall the H75 is really really good. Can these be modded from the lead cone to the bass, anyone?
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7704A
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It's around, but doesn't get a lot of airtime now it seems. Basically it's a bass reflex with huge speaker-sized ports and oversized baffles. "Detuned" in the sense it's not tuned like a modern bass reflex would be, with fancy filter transfer functions and stuff. Found out about it from Kevin O'Connor, apparently Gary Moore used a detuned 4x12 with EVM's live at some point too. Happy Cabs has a demo of their (almost, port is a hair small) detuned 1x12 vs a normal 4x12, and in my experience it is fairly representative of the differences between a regular 4x12 and a detuned 4x12 as well.
FourT6and2
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I've got three identical Bogner 4x12s. One has G12H-75 Creambacks, one has new UK-made G12M-25 Greenbacks, and one has Heritage G12H-30 55Hz. They all sound amazing for different reasons. Tough to pick a favorite. The 55Hz G12H-30s are cool as hell. Lots of chainsaw-like growl and grind. The H75s are the most modern sounding and balanced, with a tight, thumping low end. The UK greenies have more mid-range honk.
