Clip: stock JCM800 2203 slaying most high gain amps even in

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Not into the chung chung stuff but agree the 2203 is great!
 
It sounds fitting to the clip, but nothing about it stands out to amaze me.
 
fek":2dlwnveu said:
RJF":2dlwnveu said:
I disagree. I've followed your clips over the years and that 800 sounds thinner than other amps that you have clipped. Having drums in the clip doesn't help either, as everything sounds heavier with drums added to me. Your early Uberschall, Diezel, and other various clips sound heavier.
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And I will disagree with you. Two different worlds. One is a modern tone and the other more vintage. I will take the vintage tone everyday of the week.

In a mix with a bass player you need to cut more and push low end less. In a room by yourself, sure the others will be thicker and more modern but the 2203 is the classic sound of rock of metal. This clips just goes to show that with, or even without a TS push, you can get it done. And in my opinion, get it done even better.

I am over 40 though so my ears hear things differently so YMMV.
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For one, you are clearly not biased and not sweet on a 2203....

The world we are talking about is metal, and about it slaying other high gain metal amps. There is nothing vintage about the topic, or the amps in question.

I still say, pull the drums out of that clip, and it would be easier to tell that the 2203 even boosted lacks the heavies like most modern metal amps, like the Uber, Cobra, Herbert, etc. Again, there is nothing "vintage" about this particular topic.
 
Ok, let me put my flame-proof underwear on here.....
The clip sounds great, the playing is baddass and the leads sound killer, but.....
I think there are a whole bunch of different amps that would be a better choice for the chugga chugga riffing in a modern metal tune. The JCM 800 just ain't doing it for me for the riffs, sorry.

On a side note: this is kinda funny actually, but I have a copy of those old DI's Lasse put out there from a while back, and I've re-amped my whole amp collection over the years with them, so that I have a set of tracks I can run down for the metal guys when they come to my studio for them to get an idea what all the amps sound like before we start tracking. I used to own a minty, all stock, 2203, and I ended up moving it cause it could never beat the Bogners, Friedman, Dual Rec, 5150 etc. for this kinda stuff. In my case, the 2203 just never stood up in a modern metal context next to my other amps. Sure it's a cool sound, but hey, it's 2016, not 1986!!
Just my take......
 
ElectricVoodoo":2bw4uj86 said:
Of course, thats what I've been saying for years. All the overpriced 3-4k+ are a joke and waste of money.

People buy them and end up flipping them anyway. Gives this forum something to do I guess.

That 2203 circuit with a few basic mods.. look up riffguy on YT and see what he does to his, just unreal tone.

Even without the mods in their stock form as this is are great.
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Well I don't agree that all the new modern amps are a joke. I've owned some JCM800's and some of them sucked balls. Zero gain and they had to LOUD as shit to get any gain from them which would make them useless to me. I had one JCM800 that I liked but past 2 on the master and sound guys hated me. I liked it but sold it out of frustration back in the mid 90's. Once I got into Mesa Mark amps I never went back to a JCM800. But I think a good JCM800 and a Mesa Mark series are just about it for 80's metal though.

My friend had one JCM800, stock, and with a Tube Screamer I thought it was as good as any of the Cameron modded amps I've played.
 
As much as I like other people playing that amp, I just can't get into the 800's. I'd be happy with that mix though, sounds great!
 
How did it come to this? Narcosynthesis.

Man that sounded great.
 
Sounds killer!

Anyone know where can I grab those DI's? Would love to take a shot at reamping this with some of my gear.
 
Lasse Lammert":3iyr9p0m said:
Haha, and, did you regret getting those old rectos?
No, I bet you didn't!
So now get the 2203 to compliment them :)
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Hell no!!! I ddin't regret a bit!!! hehehe...
Got a Rev C, a Rev E(both Dual) and a coming Triple Rev F.
Regarding the 2203, I had one when I lived in LA, but sold it.
More recently I've got an amazing sounding '79 2204, but sold it too, in order to finance a bitchin sounding '78 2203 that I've got modded.
I want back the 100% stock, great sounding 800 2203, just like the one I used to have.
And I'll find one...
Seriously, the amp you've recorded sound amazing!!!
 
I like it! Wouldn't trade my "baby" for it but I'd sport that all day! The right bass tone you can make anything with a little gain sound heavy as balls really. Just depends on context and getting everyone in your band to play nice if it's live.
 
The bass players tone matters more in a heavy context then anything. Lots of bass from a guitar rig or not if that bass tone isn't right you might as well just be trying to play la cucaracha with your weenie slap style.
 
psychodave":3q37cs24 said:
ElectricVoodoo":3q37cs24 said:
Of course, thats what I've been saying for years. All the overpriced 3-4k+ are a joke and waste of money.

People buy them and end up flipping them anyway. Gives this forum something to do I guess.

That 2203 circuit with a few basic mods.. look up riffguy on YT and see what he does to his, just unreal tone.

Even without the mods in their stock form as this is are great.
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Can you post a link? I went to a page for "riffguy" and didn't see anything out of the ordinary.


Clip in this thread was great. :rock:
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https://www.youtube.com/user/riffguy
 
Sometimes a stock Marshall and a boost or two can really be special. The worst 800 I've had, I'd still take it over some other amps I've tried because of hype. I remember Marshall Law here on RT posted a video of his JMP 2203 with a modded tube screamer. It was as good as any Marshall clip I've heard, stock or modded. Yes including the Cameron Jose's out there..I think its on YouTube..
 
I dig the sound, and I love the 2203, but it's not the type of sound I associate with "modern" metal (whatever that means.) Playing is nice and tight, though.
 
Brings back bad memories for me and all the money wasted buying and selling 800 & 900's back in the 80's & 90's trying to get that Mesa/Boogie tone on the cheap. Should've just bought the Mark lll back then and be done.
 
While they are the basis for a good majority of modern high-gain amps. They were stepping stones to the evolution of high gain tones. That being said, I prefer the newer amps that have expanded on their potential like the Bogners, Friedmans, Cameron's, etc ....
 
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