Converters vs. Preamps

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Rezamatix":yxswonw8 said:
I shot this video of Steve in the purple room with his two notes. Straight into his Apogee.
Sounds killer.
Micing amps is great, but I don't do it anymore. Two notes into my neve and API straight into apogee.

i totally understand the convenience of two notes and would love to have one myself,
and i was shocked at how easy it was to get a great recorded sound from my old axe ultra

but i hear a difference between the bae and the two notes recordings and like the bae more.

the other buzz kill is having too many options and choices and parameters to contend with ala two notes and fractal
 
Fantastic thread guys! Thanks for all the contributions, some great read and info here for me as well. The trick might just be to save for quality and in the meantime just rock what i have until I can record it. Unfortunately i will prob be done recording by then but what can you do. I guess if i can get good mic'd tone out of budget gear, I will probably be rocking pretty hard on a more expensive console. Keep the discussion going though!
 
Kapo_Polenton":3a0nu9nt said:
Fantastic thread guys! Thanks for all the contributions, some great read and info here for me as well. The trick might just be to save for quality and in the meantime just rock what i have until I can record it. Unfortunately i will prob be done recording by then but what can you do. I guess if i can get good mic'd tone out of budget gear, I will probably be rocking pretty hard on a more expensive console. Keep the discussion going though!

Truth!

What mics are you running? Are drums your primary concern?

I'm running the Sennheiser 604's on rack tom and snare, Beyerdynamic M88 on floor tom, M-Audio Pulsars on overheads, Shure Beta 91A and Heil PR-40 on kick. Love the way it sounds right now.
 
Learning to get a great sound with budget gear makes you a better recording engineer. It also makes you realize why you might prefer a certain piece of gear or not, and not really think about price since that can be deceiving. It's a valuable road to have traveled. Good luck!
 
regarding the behringer x32 for live use,

i really went into my first experience with it with a chip on my shoulder. i wanted to hate it because of the name and reputation but son of a gun the thing not only had a excellent and massive feature set, it actually sounded great.

talking with some major av companies who have used them since coming out, they have proven to be very reliable and road worthy.
my son's band just bought one for touring and it is a really impressive console for the money.
 
Kapo_Polenton":3mvo7fcc said:
Fantastic thread guys! Thanks for all the contributions, some great read and info here for me as well. The trick might just be to save for quality and in the meantime just rock what i have until I can record it. Unfortunately i will prob be done recording by then but what can you do. I guess if i can get good mic'd tone out of budget gear, I will probably be rocking pretty hard on a more expensive console. Keep the discussion going though!

rent?
 
lll":24hj8cls said:
A quality mic pre will go a long ways; and as mentioned will make a "meh" mic (SM57) sound tits.

Big fan of Universal Audio's 610 (I have the LA610MkII) tube preamp style.

prior to hearing about the bae, UA was my favorite for rock guitar as well, against neve, ssl, avaril, manley, and trident preamps, but they are all awesome for different reasons.



in other recording gear news, here is another device that Groove Tubes guy aspen pittman exposed me to many namms ago that really sounded amazing for acoustic gtr

http://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/56/ms-midside-encoder/

as recently as Christman 2014 he was still using it and was trying to get Doyle Dykes to experiment with it for a holiday cd
 
dammit! now I want to buy recording gear again. Every time I try and get into it I quickly realize how much money I am going to spend and then put it on the back burner again. Looking for 0% financing in Canada! USA lets you finance anything anywhere...so lucky :doh:
 
What mics are you running? Are drums your primary concern?

I'm running the Sennheiser 604's on rack tom and snare, Beyerdynamic M88 on floor tom, M-Audio Pulsars on overheads, Shure Beta 91A and Heil PR-40 on kick. Love the way it sounds right now.

Everything is my primary concern, not just drums. Bass I can get away with going direct with my sansamp bass driver or plugins as they have come a long way but for guitar and drums there is still something to be said for the old fashioned approach. Mainly running 57's on toms, E906 on snare (stays out of the way i like it), 52 on kick, pair of cheapo behringers or shotgun mic condensers (made from old 12gauge shotgun shells, cheap decent mics http://www.12gaugemicrophones.com/red12.html ) and on guitars 57 , 906, or cascade fathead II. I could def. stand to improve the overhead mics at some point though for more clarity/warmth but would prioritize guitars over overheads as they sit more upfront in a mix.

It is true that we are really handcuffed here in Canada on gear. Or we pay a ton more because exchange rate/import fee/or canadian markups.

As for preamps, I am starting to think that the most economical way to be able to have some variety, is probably to go for one of these lunchbox or 3-4 slot 500 series preamp racks and then purchasing preamps that slide in. There are some on the used market like Ebay or DIY kits or clone preamp makers like the seven circle audio people. https://seventhcircleaudio.com/ Seems like you could get some nice variety with some Neve or API clones. Won't be exact but better than stock. When you figure spending over 1k for one mic preamp in a 1 u rack format, why not be able to get a 3 slot lunch box + a 500 series preamp for around the same. Then you can buy different flavours down the line.

Spent some time comparing the apogee stuff. I like it as it is nice and clear but in sound clips I do hear a difference and i think some of that coloration would shave off the highs nicely on an sm57. There is always the golden age 73 mic pre which for us in Canada is around 380$ which looks affordable but I am not sure how it holds up to just spending a bit more to get more quality. All things to consider with of course the burning question.... will it make that much of a difference? I think it probably would address the issue of hyped digital highs on onboard mic preamps and some of the fizziness due to better components and clarity but in a mix to most casual listeners, is anyone gonna say " bro, LOVE the clarity and top end warmth of those guitars..." or are they going to say "turn it up and pass me a beer while you go by the fridge!" I guess it all depends on what i am willing to spend to satisfy my own ear. Part of the fun i suppose.

There seems to be either a sounds good yay or nay approach as opposed to anyone listening to band mixes and saying they totally should have used abc preamp here instead of xyz.. maybe it is better just to grab one of those golden age mic pre and call it a day or run everything back through it afterwards if something like drums for a bit more warmth. "clarity" is where you can't improve much on. That is where the higher end components will likely separate themselves from the budget ones.
 
If you get a chance, go to L&M if they have a Pre73 in stock. Bring a mic and headphones. Plug it in and listen to your own voice from the mic. Compare to an average mixer that you'd have already used before. You'll know what makes these different immediately. How much you care or not is another story.

I use FiveFish preamps, X-12 and X-72 (500 series) in a Radial Cube "rack" so it's really a convenient/small footprint on my desk. However the newer Pre73 compares (sonically) quite well to the X-72, in the same general league.
 
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