Cool Lynch chord based soloing from Wicked Riffs dvd

[Digital Jams]

Doctor is a rather broad term....I mean I can clean cuts and put pokeymon band-aids on and such as good as any "doctor"

 

[shreder75]

Doctor is a rather broad term....I mean I can clean cuts and put pokeymon band-aids on and such as good as any "doctor"

yeah...what you said!

I think

 

[degenaro]

BUT to take this one step further....there's people who know theory for days and yet can't seem to pick out one fucking good note on the whole goddamn guitar....lol

give me someone with a working knowlege of the guitar with a good ear who can improvise something tasty and interesting over a guy who knows how to voice every chord in the book and knows the inner workings of every scale created yet can't play anything palatable any day of the week =)

One has zero to do with the other. Especially for Rock guys. But knowing the note names and intervals is NOT knowing theory, it's a start.
Also chord voicings and how a scale is build is merely a start. Wanna have a laugh have a guitarist explain modes...99 out of 100 will tell you something that makes perfect sense to them but is useless and wrong. This is where ideas like if you know theory you can't find a good note come from. the theory of harmony is where shit is at. When you know how a progression functions then the "good" notes are what you pick by choice, not chance. As for the ear...doh...but again there are too many guys that really have shit for ears, couldn't tell you a F# chord without comparing the notes on fretboard, couldn't tell a minor from a major, etc...

Bottom line,if you hav to ask what key is this in when you hear something guitar in hand you need an ear tune up...

theory is a broad term...

in any event, I put more stock in knowing basics and having a good and creative ear than anything else...in the end, style matters more to me...which is why I'll listen to someone like Adrian Smith or (old) Lynch or someone along those lines rather than people with encyclopedic knowledge like Satch or Vai cause I can't stand their styles..

of course being able to do both is the best situation

in my second band I had a classically trained pianist on keyboards..we were playing top 40 bullshit...but if it wasn't written in front of her or she couldn't find the sheet music? Forget about it..not to mention if we asked her to improvise....no way that was happening..can't tell you how many songs we had to scrap because of it..and here's me...I can't sight read, I know basic theory and whatnot and I would learn all the songs by ear and could improv over just about any one of them if I had to fill in a gap....

Well then there is application, it matters little to me whether the player has any theory knowledge if it resonates with me. That said the majority of Rocj guys I cannot listen to. Nor can I hang with their concept of time or harmony. I mean this is Western music we wrote the book on this shit, yet my option are to listen to the same tired note sequences over the same tired progressions? No thanks...anhd when it comes to rhythm foget about it, if it isn't 4/4 or some contrived wanna be hip odd meter there isn't any Western music that is advanced beyond baby steps. Indian music, African music, Brazillian music all of this slays Western shit.
So, the willingness for Rock guys to stay super stagnant because if it isn't consonant or they haven' gotten used to it it's no good doesn't work fo me. Shit, a couple hundred years ago using a dominant 7 chord would get the Spanish inquisition on your ass.

As for guys that read and can't hear...as I said, the ear is where it's at. The rest is merely a bunch of guides to have this shit mak some sense.

 

[shreder75]

BUT to take this one step further....there's people who know theory for days and yet can't seem to pick out one fucking good note on the whole goddamn guitar....lol

give me someone with a working knowlege of the guitar with a good ear who can improvise something tasty and interesting over a guy who knows how to voice every chord in the book and knows the inner workings of every scale created yet can't play anything palatable any day of the week =)

One has zero to do with the other. Especially for Rock guys. But knowing the note names and intervals is NOT knowing theory, it's a start.
Also chord voicings and how a scale is build is merely a start. Wanna have a laugh have a guitarist explain modes...99 out of 100 will tell you something that makes perfect sense to them but is useless and wrong. This is where ideas like if you know theory you can't find a good note come from. the theory of harmony is where shit is at. When you know how a progression functions then the "good" notes are what you pick by choice, not chance. As for the ear...doh...but again there are too many guys that really have shit for ears, couldn't tell you a F# chord without comparing the notes on fretboard, couldn't tell a minor from a major, etc...

Bottom line,if you hav to ask what key is this in when you hear something guitar in hand you need an ear tune up...

theory is a broad term...

in any event, I put more stock in knowing basics and having a good and creative ear than anything else...in the end, style matters more to me...which is why I'll listen to someone like Adrian Smith or (old) Lynch or someone along those lines rather than people with encyclopedic knowledge like Satch or Vai cause I can't stand their styles..

of course being able to do both is the best situation

in my second band I had a classically trained pianist on keyboards..we were playing top 40 bullshit...but if it wasn't written in front of her or she couldn't find the sheet music? Forget about it..not to mention if we asked her to improvise....no way that was happening..can't tell you how many songs we had to scrap because of it..and here's me...I can't sight read, I know basic theory and whatnot and I would learn all the songs by ear and could improv over just about any one of them if I had to fill in a gap....

Well then there is application, it matters little to me whether the player has any theory knowledge if it resonates with me. That said the majority of Rocj guys I cannot listen to. Nor can I hang with their concept of time or harmony. I mean this is Western music we wrote the book on this shit, yet my option are to listen to the same tired note sequences over the same tired progressions? No thanks...anhd when it comes to rhythm foget about it, if it isn't 4/4 or some contrived wanna be hip odd meter there isn't any Western music that is advanced beyond baby steps. Indian music, African music, Brazillian music all of this slays Western shit.
So, the willingness for Rock guys to stay super stagnant because if it isn't consonant or they haven' gotten used to it it's no good doesn't work fo me. Shit, a couple hundred years ago using a dominant 7 chord would get the Spanish inquisition on your ass.

As for guys that read and can't hear...as I said, the ear is where it's at. The rest is merely a bunch of guides to have this shit mak some sense.

exactly..if the end result sounds like shit or isn't my bag, none of the rest much matters to me..lol....

 

[degenaro]

Doctor is a rather broad term....I mean I can clean cuts and put pokeymon band-aids on and such as good as any "doctor"

Thats why I was referring to the Satriani law suit thread...where I think it was Cloud 9 gave this explanation why th 2 progressions weren't related at all when in reality in terms of function they were identical.
I don't care if you haven't got clue one when it comes to theory, me personally I dig understanding why a certain note in a certain context resonates with what I want to hear. but when you don't get the fucking basics arguing about more advanced points on a forum is beyond laughable.

 

[degenaro]

BUT to take this one step further....there's people who know theory for days and yet can't seem to pick out one fucking good note on the whole goddamn guitar....lol

give me someone with a working knowlege of the guitar with a good ear who can improvise something tasty and interesting over a guy who knows how to voice every chord in the book and knows the inner workings of every scale created yet can't play anything palatable any day of the week =)

One has zero to do with the other. Especially for Rock guys. But knowing the note names and intervals is NOT knowing theory, it's a start.
Also chord voicings and how a scale is build is merely a start. Wanna have a laugh have a guitarist explain modes...99 out of 100 will tell you something that makes perfect sense to them but is useless and wrong. This is where ideas like if you know theory you can't find a good note come from. the theory of harmony is where shit is at. When you know how a progression functions then the "good" notes are what you pick by choice, not chance. As for the ear...doh...but again there are too many guys that really have shit for ears, couldn't tell you a F# chord without comparing the notes on fretboard, couldn't tell a minor from a major, etc...

Bottom line,if you hav to ask what key is this in when you hear something guitar in hand you need an ear tune up...

theory is a broad term...

in any event, I put more stock in knowing basics and having a good and creative ear than anything else...in the end, style matters more to me...which is why I'll listen to someone like Adrian Smith or (old) Lynch or someone along those lines rather than people with encyclopedic knowledge like Satch or Vai cause I can't stand their styles..

of course being able to do both is the best situation

in my second band I had a classically trained pianist on keyboards..we were playing top 40 bullshit...but if it wasn't written in front of her or she couldn't find the sheet music? Forget about it..not to mention if we asked her to improvise....no way that was happening..can't tell you how many songs we had to scrap because of it..and here's me...I can't sight read, I know basic theory and whatnot and I would learn all the songs by ear and could improv over just about any one of them if I had to fill in a gap....

Well then there is application, it matters little to me whether the player has any theory knowledge if it resonates with me. That said the majority of Rocj guys I cannot listen to. Nor can I hang with their concept of time or harmony. I mean this is Western music we wrote the book on this shit, yet my option are to listen to the same tired note sequences over the same tired progressions? No thanks...anhd when it comes to rhythm foget about it, if it isn't 4/4 or some contrived wanna be hip odd meter there isn't any Western music that is advanced beyond baby steps. Indian music, African music, Brazillian music all of this slays Western shit.
So, the willingness for Rock guys to stay super stagnant because if it isn't consonant or they haven' gotten used to it it's no good doesn't work fo me. Shit, a couple hundred years ago using a dominant 7 chord would get the Spanish inquisition on your ass.

As for guys that read and can't hear...as I said, the ear is where it's at. The rest is merely a bunch of guides to have this shit mak some sense.

exactly..if the end result sounds like shit or isn't my bag, none of the rest much matters to me..lol....

right...but the problem isn't with theory bu rather it's fucked up application. Or just a matter of not relating to it because of a difference in taste. First time I heard Coltrane I thought some one raped my earhole. Now I listen to him and it's totally resonating.
On the flip side when I listen to some of the guys I grew up on I shut it off and prefer to simply remember them as amazing as oppossed to be faced with the reality that my taste changed enough that I just don't dig it any more.

 

[shreder75]

BUT to take this one step further....there's people who know theory for days and yet can't seem to pick out one fucking good note on the whole goddamn guitar....lol

give me someone with a working knowlege of the guitar with a good ear who can improvise something tasty and interesting over a guy who knows how to voice every chord in the book and knows the inner workings of every scale created yet can't play anything palatable any day of the week =)

One has zero to do with the other. Especially for Rock guys. But knowing the note names and intervals is NOT knowing theory, it's a start.
Also chord voicings and how a scale is build is merely a start. Wanna have a laugh have a guitarist explain modes...99 out of 100 will tell you something that makes perfect sense to them but is useless and wrong. This is where ideas like if you know theory you can't find a good note come from. the theory of harmony is where shit is at. When you know how a progression functions then the "good" notes are what you pick by choice, not chance. As for the ear...doh...but again there are too many guys that really have shit for ears, couldn't tell you a F# chord without comparing the notes on fretboard, couldn't tell a minor from a major, etc...

Bottom line,if you hav to ask what key is this in when you hear something guitar in hand you need an ear tune up...

theory is a broad term...

in any event, I put more stock in knowing basics and having a good and creative ear than anything else...in the end, style matters more to me...which is why I'll listen to someone like Adrian Smith or (old) Lynch or someone along those lines rather than people with encyclopedic knowledge like Satch or Vai cause I can't stand their styles..

of course being able to do both is the best situation

in my second band I had a classically trained pianist on keyboards..we were playing top 40 bullshit...but if it wasn't written in front of her or she couldn't find the sheet music? Forget about it..not to mention if we asked her to improvise....no way that was happening..can't tell you how many songs we had to scrap because of it..and here's me...I can't sight read, I know basic theory and whatnot and I would learn all the songs by ear and could improv over just about any one of them if I had to fill in a gap....

Well then there is application, it matters little to me whether the player has any theory knowledge if it resonates with me. That said the majority of Rocj guys I cannot listen to. Nor can I hang with their concept of time or harmony. I mean this is Western music we wrote the book on this shit, yet my option are to listen to the same tired note sequences over the same tired progressions? No thanks...anhd when it comes to rhythm foget about it, if it isn't 4/4 or some contrived wanna be hip odd meter there isn't any Western music that is advanced beyond baby steps. Indian music, African music, Brazillian music all of this slays Western shit.
So, the willingness for Rock guys to stay super stagnant because if it isn't consonant or they haven' gotten used to it it's no good doesn't work fo me. Shit, a couple hundred years ago using a dominant 7 chord would get the Spanish inquisition on your ass.

As for guys that read and can't hear...as I said, the ear is where it's at. The rest is merely a bunch of guides to have this shit mak some sense.

exactly..if the end result sounds like shit or isn't my bag, none of the rest much matters to me..lol....

right...but the problem isn't with theory bu rather it's fucked up application. Or just a matter of not relating to it because of a difference in taste. First time I heard Coltrane I thought some one raped my earhole. Now I listen to him and it's totally resonating.
On the flip side when I listen to some of the guys I grew up on I shut it off and prefer to simply remember them as amazing as oppossed to be faced with the reality that my taste changed enough that I just don't dig it any more.

yep..some dudes who I used to idolize I can't much stand these days....of course I won't mention any names, to protect the innocent and all..heh

 

[Vrad]

So, do you guys believe Lynch when he says he knows nothing at all about Music theory, or is he just trying to act cool about it? Sometimes he does say some stuff that makes you scratch your head, like partials and blues bends and whatnot.

he's full of shit....he calls out the notes he's playing generally in any given position and he talks about 'replacing the major third here with the minor instead'....so yeah, he knows theory....why he would say otherwise? who knows...lol..

Lynch is all about minor but theory wise he aint no Vai or Gambale

It's metal!!! ALL YOU NEED IS MINOR!
I'm going to come up with a minor-only song! There won't be one fucking happy Major chord in the fucking thing! It will be so heavy! UGHGHGHGHGHHHGHHGHGH HJHKLHJL:AKFJHLSKFJDHLSFKSDHLFJKSDFHLKSDJFHLKJHLKSDF
<spittle/>

 

[degenaro]

It's metal!!! ALL YOU NEED IS MINOR!
I'm going to come up with a minor-only song! There won't be one fucking happy Major chord in the fucking thing! It will be so heavy! UGHGHGHGHGHHHGHHGHGH HJHKLHJL:AKFJHLSKFJDHLSFKSDHLFJKSDFHLKSDJFHLKJHLKSDF
<spittle/>

I doubt it...

 

[shreder75]

So, do you guys believe Lynch when he says he knows nothing at all about Music theory, or is he just trying to act cool about it? Sometimes he does say some stuff that makes you scratch your head, like partials and blues bends and whatnot.

he's full of shit....he calls out the notes he's playing generally in any given position and he talks about 'replacing the major third here with the minor instead'....so yeah, he knows theory....why he would say otherwise? who knows...lol..

Lynch is all about minor but theory wise he aint no Vai or Gambale

It's metal!!! ALL YOU NEED IS MINOR!
I'm going to come up with a minor-only song! There won't be one fucking happy Major chord in the fucking thing! It will be so heavy! UGHGHGHGHGHHHGHHGHGH HJHKLHJL:AKFJHLSKFJDHLSFKSDHLFJKSDFHLKSDJFHLKJHLKSDF
<spittle/>

I look forward to it!

 

[Vrad]

So, do you guys believe Lynch when he says he knows nothing at all about Music theory, or is he just trying to act cool about it? Sometimes he does say some stuff that makes you scratch your head, like partials and blues bends and whatnot.

he's full of shit....he calls out the notes he's playing generally in any given position and he talks about 'replacing the major third here with the minor instead'....so yeah, he knows theory....why he would say otherwise? who knows...lol..

Lynch is all about minor but theory wise he aint no Vai or Gambale

It's metal!!! ALL YOU NEED IS MINOR!
I'm going to come up with a minor-only song! There won't be one fucking happy Major chord in the fucking thing! It will be so heavy! UGHGHGHGHGHHHGHHGHGH HJHKLHJL:AKFJHLSKFJDHLSFKSDHLFJKSDFHLKSDJFHLKJHLKSDF
<spittle/>

I look forward to it!

It will be so sad and depressing you'll want to jump out of the 1st floor window! I'm crying just thinking about it...

 

[shreder75]

So, do you guys believe Lynch when he says he knows nothing at all about Music theory, or is he just trying to act cool about it? Sometimes he does say some stuff that makes you scratch your head, like partials and blues bends and whatnot.

he's full of shit....he calls out the notes he's playing generally in any given position and he talks about 'replacing the major third here with the minor instead'....so yeah, he knows theory....why he would say otherwise? who knows...lol..

Lynch is all about minor but theory wise he aint no Vai or Gambale

It's metal!!! ALL YOU NEED IS MINOR!
I'm going to come up with a minor-only song! There won't be one fucking happy Major chord in the fucking thing! It will be so heavy! UGHGHGHGHGHHHGHHGHGH HJHKLHJL:AKFJHLSKFJDHLSFKSDHLFJKSDFHLKSDJFHLKJHLKSDF
<spittle/>

I look forward to it!

It will be so sad and depressing you'll want to jump out of the 1st floor window! I'm crying just thinking about it...

I already want to do that..you'll have to do your worst!

 

[Vrad]

It will be so sad and depressing you'll want to jump out of the 1st floor window! I'm crying just thinking about it...

I already want to do that..you'll have to do your worst![/quote]

We better stop having our very own conversation here... people will start saying "things"...

 

[shreder75]

let them!!!!!!

 

[Vrad]

let them!!!!!!

YEAH! FUCK 'EM!! LOL!

 

[shreder75]

IN THE EAR!!!!!

 

[Vrad]

IN THE EAR!!!!!

YEAH!!! AURAL SEX!! YEAH!!!

 

[shreder75]

TESTIFY!!!

 

[jkdsteve]

Didn't enjoy that vid at all

 

[gtr31]

Lynch went to GIT after he left Dokken .he studied with Don Mock.
I remember him saying in an interview how embarassing it was .

this guy would stand up and just call out chord changes , and George says he was lost and humbled .