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[VonBonfire]

I don't actually, I just see where it's heading. You don't like it, and me describing the future is clearly offensive to you.

It's not offensive. It is pure 21st century delusion among the godless. People with no God look to technology for the saving grace because minus tech the godless cannot see a way to live forever. They seek to gain eternal life OUTSIDE God because they cannot accept his standards for eternal life in Christ.

Clearly that is the direction you are facing. I'm telling you it's not going to work out. Your computers are plastic, glass, and metal. They cannot ascend to the heavens, they cannot make it possible for a person to physically live forever. Like most pagans you have subscribed to false promises of technological wonder. It's something programmed into us from our earliest years whether it's some dude in the woods fabbing up a bow and arrows or some nerd in a computer chair typing zeroes and ones. You're following the lead of Tubal-Cain so nothing you are saying is anything new at all. It's just ancient pagan dreck.

 

[CrazyNutz]

How is it special pleading?

He's playing down how much he interacts with humans via "the tech junk"

He's pleading its not much different than sending letters with paper, and stamps.

He's not understanding he is nearly real time replacing face to face human interaction.

It makes little difference that the interface into the machine is your eyes, and fingertips right now.

The next step is a brain interface, then the next step after that is the whole consciousness is uploaded.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

The next step is a brain interface, then the next step after that is the whole consciousness is uploaded.

 

[Bad Brain]

He's playing down how much he interacts with humans via "the tech junk"

He's pleading its not much different than sending letters with paper, and stamps.

He's not understanding he is nearly real time replacing face to face human interaction.

It makes little difference that the interface into the machine is your eyes, and fingertips right now.

The next step is a brain interface, then the next step after that is the whole consciousness is uploaded.

I don't actually think it's that much different than a combination of letters and telephone, both of which have been around or a while (Letters for millennia). And I agree with him that it's just another avenue for interaction, which is certainly cool, but not necessary and also not the same as in person interaction and friendships. And as great as it is, hopefully not a replacement. Your "Next step" is the jump that I'm having real difficulty with. How far along are we truly in that endeavor? I'd venture it's more hype than reality.

 

[VonBonfire]

Your "Next step" is the jump that I'm having real difficulty with. How far along are we truly in that endeavor? I'd venture it's more hype than reality.

He is right. I do believe they will integrate computers directly into the human mind. They will no longer have autonomy but will be of the hive mind. They will no longer be fully human and this is why God will destroy them and all they have created with fire. History repeats itself as this is the same basic history of the pre-flood world only they were more advanced than we are now. People think this tech is something new. It isn't.

 

[Bad Brain]

He is right. I do believe they will integrate computers directly into the human mind. They will no longer have autonomy but will be of the hive mind. They will no longer be fully human and this is why God will destroy them and all they have created with fire. History repeats itself as this is the same basic history of the pre-flood world only they were more advanced than we are now. People think this tech is something new. It isn't.

Integrating computers is one thing, and using those integrated computers to communicate a step further as is actually controlling people with those embedded computers. I'm pretty sure we haven't really made tons of progress on this, but I could be wrong. Regardless, uploading consciousness is a whole other level and total pipe-dream so far as I know. Tower of Babel is relevant for sure.

 

[CrazyNutz]

I don't actually think it's that much different than a combination of letters and telephone, both of which have been around or a while (Letters for millennia). And I agree with him that it's just another avenue for interaction, which is certainly cool, but not necessary and also not the same as in person interaction and friendships. And as great as it is, hopefully not a replacement.

It's way way way different. People did not spend a massive amount of their time writing letters back in forth for interaction. Well maybe prisoners.

Your "Next step" is the jump that I'm having real difficulty with. How far along are we truly in that endeavor? I'd venture it's more hype than reality.

We'll in the context of the thread that was recently created "Where will we be in 250 years" That's a lot of time for tech to advance.

People study tech advancement, and the rate is mind boggling. Here's just a single example.

https://www.zippia.com/advice/how-fast-is-technology-advancing/

 

[VonBonfire]

People did not spend a massive amount of their time writing letters back in forth for interaction.

 

[Bad Brain]

It's way way way different. People did not spend a massive amount of their time writing letters back in forth for interaction. Well maybe prisoners.
We'll in the context of the thread that was recently created "Where will we be in 250 years" That's a lot of time for tech to advance.
People study tech advancement, and the rate is mind boggling. Here's just a single example.
https://www.zippia.com/advice/how-fast-is-technology-advancing/

I'm saying it's not different in kind. We've had fax and telephone for a long time. And I'm not talking about social habits, just the tech itself.
As for your graph, you could be fooled. They are likely just multiplying the tech available a decade ago, putting CPU's together in ever bigger arrays. Sure that takes work, but it's not revolutionary, conceptually or technologically. I haven't seen real tech progress in a long time. My computer does more or less the exact same thing it did in 1999, just faster.

 

[CrazyNutz]

I'm saying it's not different in kind. We've had fax and telephone for a long time. And I'm not talking about social habits, just the tech itself.

Does not matter, the current tech allows the social habits. It allows you to be deeply integrated, and eventually people WILL be 100% integrated.

As for your graph, you could be fooled. They are likely just multiplying the tech available a decade ago, putting CPU's together in ever bigger arrays. Sure that takes work, but it's not revolutionary, conceptually or technologically. I haven't seen real tech progress in a long time.

So were you paying attention when I said I've been a software engineer for 30+ years? This has been my primary source of income since the 1990's
I'm not fooled, I know what hardware is available, and it's performance. It's my job to write the code for this hardware. I write low level, instruction set level code. A lot of C, and ASM

 

[Bad Brain]

Does not matter, the current tech allows the social habits. It allows you to be deeply integrated, and eventually people WILL be 100% integrated.

So people being more integrated technologically does not necessarily mean we will eventually be completely integrated. Maybe folks will largely reject this new tech which does not yet exist. By most measures, metaverse is a flop you know.

So were you paying attention when I said I've been a software engineer for 30+ years? This has been my primary source of income since the 1990's
I'm not fooled, I know what hardware is available, and it's performance. It's my job to write the code for this hardware. I write low level, instruction set level code. A lot of C, and ASM

That's great, and I'm interested to hear your take because it's your field, but ultimately I'm not impressed. Either the tech exists or will soon exist and you can show us, or you're just caught up in the hype.

 

[CrazyNutz]

So people being more integrated technologically does not necessarily mean we will eventually be completely integrated. Maybe folks will largely reject this new tech which does not yet exist. By most measures, metaverse is a flop you know.

LOL the metaverse, if that's your benchmark then I can understand why you're so skeptical. The metaverse was a flop from the start. I think that's the result of a billionaire thinking everything he touches turns to gold.

That's great, and I'm interested to hear your take because it's your field, but ultimately I'm not impressed. Either the tech exists or will soon exist and you can show us, or you're just caught up in the hype.

Bro, I don't think you're really paying attention to what I'm saying. I don't know how old you are, but it's very very likely you, and I will be dead before it happens, at least on a wide spread fully uploaded conscious state.

Your mind is a BIOLOGICAL machine that technology will eventually fully replicate.

 

[Krull]

When AI takes over, will they be able to survive climate change? ?

 

[japetus]

Agreed.

But how do we get there? My fear is that it is too late for Americans and actually the entirety of mankind. Reminds me of a thread idea?

Nah everything will be okay, wait and see. They say it's always darkest before the dawn.

 

[harddriver]

“I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how.”
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― Joseph Stalin

 

[VonBonfire]

“I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how.”​

​

― Joseph Stalin

The hero of the modern democrat.

 

[311boogieman]

Nah everything will be okay, wait and see. They say it's always darkest before the dawn.

Man I hope you are right. I wish we (meaning all humans) could take a pause you know? Take a step back. Take a deep breath. Remember how we got here and how important it is to all get along. Merry Fucking Christmas.

 

[Bad Brain]

Man I hope you are right. I wish we (like, all humans) could take a pause you know? Take a step back. Take a deep breath. Remember how we got here and how important it is to all get along. Merry Fucking Christmas.

I think it’s possible. I’d like to bring attention to what I see the main problematic dynamic at play: there is a relatively tiny predator class that manipulates everyone to be at each other’s throats in order to divide, conqueror and distract while they make off with the bank. They accomplish this largely with the “hegelian dialectic”, or problem-reaction-solution in order to achieve their goals. And if there is no problem, they create one. I’m convinced that the more that people become aware of this, the less susceptible people will be, and the less effective the schemes are.

 

[Bad Brain]

In other words, it’s likely that people would get along, even in a pluralistic society, if they weren’t constantly bombarded with things to get angry or worry about that are inevitably attributed to the “Other,” or the “Enemy,” who are not the true enemy.

 

[Thumbpicker]

In other words, it’s likely that people would get along, even in a pluralistic society, if they weren’t constantly bombarded with things to get angry or worry about that are inevitably attributed to the “Other,” or the “Enemy,” who are not the true enemy.

I've never understood the drive to be pluralistic anyway. What's wrong with monoculturalism. Where do we get a choice. There's nowhere left. Not all of us like melting pots at all. Not only that, logically it shouldn't be wrong to think like that. It's just the other end of a spectrum. Discrimination used to mean being selective about what you liked - discerning. I like to be discerning and knowing what I prefer. You don't have to hate other cultures to not want to live with them. They are fine to visit on holidays. You stay in your country I'll stay in mine. Also go fix your own country up rather than coming here after your own culture fails and stuffing mine up. Sometimes there's a reason why other cultures fail - why import their problems and people. Add a bit of vomit to milk and it spoils the whole batch of milk. Death by mixture.