Crazy Leftist Lesbollah Dyke Tried To Run-Over ICE Officers In MN

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fantom said:
Eye witnesses and video evidence show Pretti never held his gun in his hand let alone pointed it at anyone. You are the one gaslighting.
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Video evidence doesn't show that conclusively, though I concede it is certainly possible.
 
fantom said:
Eye witnesses and video evidence show Pretti never held his gun in his hand let alone pointed it at anyone. You are the one gaslighting.
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@Robostyle questions were concerning the Renee Good situation not this one. Stay in your lane if you don't know what people are talking about.
 
fantom said:
Eye witnesses and video evidence show Pretti never held his gun in his hand let alone pointed it at anyone. You are the one gaslighting.
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He was standing in the middle of the street protesting (illegal act) after being told to move to the sidewalk... felony

Was told again to leave and maced 2 times... felony obstruction (he had a chance to leave at this point... but he did not)

Was placed under arrest and resisted officers with violence and was reaching for a firearm... felony and endangerment

Yep... makes total sense.

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fantom said:
Eye witnesses and video evidence show Pretti never held his gun in his hand let alone pointed it at anyone. You are the one gaslighting.
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The conversation pertains to Renee Good, not Pretti. Try and keep up.
 
Robostyle said:
The other question i asked you was- if i point a gun at a cop but i don't shoot him, does the cop have the right to shoot and kill me?
To which you answered "yes". The posts are still up, go check for yourself.
I did ask you whether or not you have ever driven on frozen water, which we still don't know. Because you refused to answer.
You didn't answer because you think you are correct, and everyone else is wrong.
And yet you are here accusing everyone else of this same thing.
Your gaslighting won't work on me, it's always the "reasonable discussion" people who are the most full of shit.
You obviously think you are the smartest person in the room.
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This is a great example of what keeps happening. You guys keep bringing up bad arguments and examples, like this particular false equivalency, and when I call it a false equivalency and a non-starter of an argument, then stop responding to it, you then claim I “ran away” from the discussion lol.

Picture this. You get stopped for flipping off a cop. The cop then walks up to your window and shoots you in the face. You live to tell the tale and say the cop shouldn’t have done that. I reply with “oh yeah? Tell me, what would happen if you pointed a gun straight at the cop, HMM? Yeah that’s right. Shouldn’t have flipped him off if you didn’t want to get shot, huh.”

Do you see how stupid that is? It’s a false equivalency, just like pointing the wheels of your stopped car away from a cop that is currently stepping out of the way and then accelerating in a different direction is not the same thing as pointing a gun at a cop.

Dollars to donuts you reply to this post still refusing to understand what I’m saying or even if you do understand, still refusing to admit it, still insisting that pointing a gun straight at a cop and that what Renee Good did are effectively the same thing. They’re not. You’re wrong.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
This is a great example of what keeps happening. You guys keep bringing up bad arguments and examples, like this particular false equivalency, and when I call it a false equivalency and a non-starter of an argument, then stop responding to it, you then claim I “ran away” from the discussion lol.

Picture this. You get stopped for flipping off a cop. The cop then walks up to your window and shoots you in the face. You live to tell the tale and say the cop shouldn’t have done that. I reply with “oh yeah? Tell me, what would happen if you pointed a gun straight at the cop, HMM? Yeah that’s right. Shouldn’t have flipped him off if you didn’t want to get shot, huh.”

Do you see how stupid that is? It’s a false equivalency, just like pointing the wheels of your stopped car away from a cop that is currently stepping out of the way and then accelerating is not the same thing as pointing a gun at a cop.

I can’t wait for you to reply, still refusing to understand what I’m saying or even if you do understand, still refusing to admit it, still insisting that pointing a gun straight at a cop and that what Renee Good did are effectively the same thing. They’re not. You’re wrong.
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What the fuck are you even talking about? You're going on with complete nonsense. Who in the entire history of this country has ever been shot in the face for making a finger gesture at LE? Meanwhile deadly force has been justifiably used on multiple occasions when assault with a deadly weapon is involved.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
What the fuck are you even talking about? You're going on with complete nonsense. Who in the entire history of this country has ever been shot in the face for making a finger gesture at LE? Meanwhile deadly force has been justifiably used on multiple occasions when assault with a deadly weapon is involved.
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Please actually read my post. It was a hypothetical. The point was to explain what a false equivalency is.

Also, again, Minnesota police policy is to avoid firing at moving vehicles unless there is absolutely no other way to avoid losing your own life. Officer could and did easily step out of the way, so gunfire was unwarranted. Entirely different from police policy for response to firearm pointed at them. Arrest Renee Good for breaking the law, absolutely. Arrest Alex Pretti if he broke the law, absolutely. But cops in this country are not and should not be judge, jury, and executioner all at once, and for good reason.
 
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TheGreatGreen said:
Please actually read my post. It was a hypothetical.
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I did, you're spouting a bunch of nonsense.
Renee Good initially tried to accelerate toward the agent with the wheels pointing at him, but the tires spun out on the ice. That is essentially assault with a deadly weapon; not that dissimilar from pointing a gun a LE. But you're refusing to acknowledge that part of the footage. This; I believe, is what @Robostyle is getting at with his question.

I'm not saying her intent was to run over him, but that doesn't change the facts of the series of events.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
I did, you're spouting a bunch of nonsense.
Renee Good initially tried to accelerate toward the agent with the wheels pointing at him, but the tires spun out on the ice. That is essentially assault with a deadly weapon; not that dissimilar from pointing a gun a LE. But you're refusing to acknowledge that part of the footage. This; I believe, is what @Robostyle is getting at with his question.

I'm not saying her intent was to run over him, but that doesn't change the facts of the series of events.
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I hear what you're saying, but based on what I saw with my own eyes when I watched the video, I'm disagreeing with that interpretation of events. The car didn't "slide" forward. Watch the video.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Please actually read my post. It was a hypothetical. The point was to explain what a false equivalency is.

Also, again, Minnesota police policy is to avoid firing at moving vehicles unless there is absolutely no other way to avoid losing your own life. Officer could and did easily step out of the way, so gunfire was unwarranted. Entirely different from police policy for response to firearm pointed at them. Arrest Renee Good for breaking the law, absolutely. Arrest Alex Pretti if he broke the law, absolutely. But cops in this country are not and should not be judge, jury, and executioner all at once, and for good reason.
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I see you edited your post.

If you were the agent in that exact same situation could you unequivocally say your life was not in danger and just could have side-stepped out of the way?

And when does state law supersede federal law? So bringing in Minnesota policy is irrelevant.

I'm not here to claim the shooting was morally justified. I'd like to think if I were in that situation I could have found a better solution. But in the eyes of the law it's reasonable that this was a legally justified shooting. Try looking at the situation from an objective and legal perspective instead of basing everything on your feelings.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
I hear what you're saying, but based on what I saw with my own eyes when I watched the video, I'm disagreeing with that interpretation of events. The car didn't "slide" forward. Watch the video.
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Okay, if you can at least understand my (and other's) interpretation of events we can agree to disagree.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
This is a great example of what keeps happening. You guys keep bringing up bad arguments and examples, like this particular false equivalency, and when I call it a false equivalency and a non-starter of an argument, then stop responding to it, you then claim I “ran away” from the discussion lol.

Picture this. You get stopped for flipping off a cop. The cop then walks up to your window and shoots you in the face. You live to tell the tale and say the cop shouldn’t have done that. I reply with “oh yeah? Tell me, what would happen if you pointed a gun straight at the cop, HMM? Yeah that’s right. Shouldn’t have flipped him off if you didn’t want to get shot, huh.”

Do you see how stupid that is? It’s a false equivalency, just like pointing the wheels of your stopped car away from a cop that is currently stepping out of the way and then accelerating in a different direction is not the same thing as pointing a gun at a cop.

Dollars to donuts you reply to this post still refusing to understand what I’m saying or even if you do understand, still refusing to admit it, still insisting that pointing a gun straight at a cop and that what Renee Good did are effectively the same thing. They’re not. You’re wrong.
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The irony of all this is-

I never said any of this shit. All of the words you typed, the theories you brought up, none of it came from me.
It all came from you.
I asked you 2 simple yes or no questions.
You didn't answer the questions because you assumed what my reply would be.
But i never replied. Only you did.
So you are judging me by what you thought i would say, and not on anything i actually said.
Gaslighting.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Also, again, Minnesota police policy is to avoid firing at moving vehicles unless there is absolutely no other way to avoid losing your own life. Officer could and did easily step out of the way, so gunfire was unwarranted.
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Except you forgot that the officer is a federal officer, not Minnesota Police. Same rules do not apply.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
I hear what you're saying, but based on what I saw with my own eyes when I watched the video, I'm disagreeing with that interpretation of events. The car didn't "slide" forward. Watch the video.
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None of that matters.
You keep touting some video, but then you say the street was only wet when clearly there was snow/ice under the car.
Your video might be shitty.
 
JTyson said:
Well it hasn’t really hit Cali yet. There have been low key operations there but it’s coming.. I think they are conducting operations elsewhere first to find out where the weak spots are so when they do go into Cali they will have developed more and faster success of the objective.
Just thinking out loud, time will tell..
But you will no doubt know when it happens
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They had the National Guard out here with ICE too for a good couple of months. ICE is ramping up operations around SoCal more too recently.


Its unbearable now..... Fucking illegals destroyed CA.....


The more ICE, the sooner, the better....


Make America Great Again *_*
 
More fake news from POS Socialist/Communist at CNN even though there is actual video of the Law Enforcement Officer being hit by the car.....


Nah nvm the actual video and footage of what happened..... Trust these French faggots and CNN :dunno:



 
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