Crazy Leftist Lesbollah Dyke Tried To Run-Over ICE Officers In MN

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Floyd Eye said:
It’s especially stupid to buy a gun specifically to go out and interfere with LE.

No one I know is disputing his right to do it, just questioning the wisdom of it. Rittenhouse very carefully maintained legality by only engaging people who were actively trying to kill him, none of whom were LE. He did in fact interact with LE after the fact and somehow managed not to get shot. Probably by following the basic tenets everyone is taught in concealed carry classes with regards to interactions with LE.
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When Kyle did encounter LE, he had his hands in the air too.
Even making the comparison between the 2 scenarios is a moot point, they are completely different.
All this proves is that leftists don't understand how firearms laws work.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Cops arrest armed criminals without killing them all the time, dumbass. Alex Pretti did not reach for his gun at all. In fact Alex was disarmed completely without him ever having reached for his firearm at all, then he was executed while he was on his knees with a shot to the back of the fucking head about 5 seconds AFTER he was disarmed.

“But it’s fine that this ICU nurse was literally executed in the street unarmed because he was there doing something conservatives don’t like, helping a woman who was knocked down.”

Moron boot licker hypocrite.
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What about his backup gun?
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Man you idiots are dropping the low hanging fruit today aren't you.

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Imagine not knowing that the laws are different for rifles/shotguns, and for handguns.
Wow.
 
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TheGreatGreen said:
No they fucking don't you stupid asshole. Not if they do not present a lethal threat which requires PULLING THEIR GUNS first. You know this. It's specifically why cops don't fire upon armed people UNLESS those armed people pull for their weapons. Dumbass.

"Fighting while armed" even if you're fighting cops, is not sufficient cause for murdering someone in the street you absolute piece of shit.
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It's becoming very clear that you do not understand the laws regarding this issue, that you do not own any firearms.
If you do, you should not own them as your ignorance could be very dangerous to yourself or others.
Carrying a firearm in public is the ultimate responsibility.
It's not a fucking LARP like some movie or video game.
Every owner i know will go out of their way to avoid conflict while carrying, and that is with regular citizens.
Not actively seek out conflict, with LE no less.
 
Robostyle said:
Carrying a firearm in public is the ultimate responsibility.
It's not a fucking LARP like some movie or video game.
Every owner i know will go out of their way to avoid conflict while carrying, and that is with regular citizens.
Not actively seek out conflict, with LE no less.
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Not only that but if you do have an encounter with LE; say like getting pulled over for speeding, you go out of your way to make sure your hands are in full view. Let the officer know you have a firearm on or near you and ask them how they would like you to proceed. Then; and this is the important part for those who just can't seem to grasp the concept, follow the officer's instructions and do not get combative. This is how you keep from getting yourself shot in the face.

I had an encounter like this. I got pulled over coming home from the range and had my gear in the back seat. I told the officer where I had been and there were a couple of firearms in my truck. He told me to sit there with my hands on the wheel while he removed them from my vehicle. 2 minuets later he was asking me about my Springfield 1911 that I had some custom trigger work done on. We had a conversation, he wrote me my ticket, put the guns back in my truck and I was on my way back home. I didn't get myself shot in the face.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
Not only that but if you do have an encounter with LE; say like getting pulled over for speeding, you go out of your way to make sure your hands are in full view. Let the officer know you have a firearm on or near you and ask them how they would like you to proceed. Then; and this is the important part for those who just can't seem to grasp the concept, follow the officer's instructions and do not get combative. This is how you keep from getting yourself shot in the face.

I had an encounter like this. I got pulled over coming home from the range and had my gear in the back seat. I told the officer where I had been and there were a couple of firearms in my truck. He told me to sit there with my hands on the wheel while he removed them from my vehicle. 2 minuets later he was asking me about my Springfield 1911 that I had some custom trigger work done on. We had a conversation, he wrote me my ticket, put the guns back in my truck and I was on my way back home. I didn't get myself shot in the face.
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Well, these "people" want to defund the police, ACAB, calling them pigs, nazis and gestapo. They are defending criminals instead of the people trying to deport criminals.
So they seem pretty unclear on SOP regarding LE. And i don't think they care enough to know.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
The definition is "the thing Alex Pretti didn't do."
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No, but he bought a gun specifically to take to an anti-Ice demonstration where he planned to interfere with their enforcement of immigration laws.

Two things are abundantly clear after your last 6 posts or so. One, you have no understanding of gun laws or the difference between use of deadly force by citizens and use of deadly force by cops ( which I completely think should be the same, but they aren’t) and you are completely unhinged.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
And you think Alex Pretti, disarmed and on his knees with an officer grabbing hold of him and another officer pushing a gun into the back of his head, posed an "imminent threat" to the health of all the officers?
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I actually don’t.

I called it the other day when I said my gut feeling was that one of the cops yelled “ he’s got a gun”. According to the report by the DHS that’s precisely what happened. Now if I, a regular uneducated ditch digger, knows what comes after that you would think a dude with a college degree would be smart enough to know. I’d be interested in knowing if he took any kind of concealed carry training to get his permit because if he did, then he knew and chose to ignore it. The first thing drummed into your head in any CCW class is how to interact with LEO if you are armed. Pretty specifically armed himself for that encounter and then did the exact opposite of what he was taught and it cost him his life. “ For the cause”.

To clarify my position a little better, no I don’t think he deserved to die and yes I think at least two of those cops over-reacted. Unfortunately the rules for cops when it comes to deadly force are completely different than the rules for citizens. And that has been upheld by the SCOTUS on multiple occasions. Is it right ? I don’t think so, but knowing that’s the way it is, which everyone who isn’t a fucking retard does, I would never in a million years do what this nurse did. It’s essentially suicide by cop.
 
Floyd Eye said:
No, but he bought a gun specifically to take to an anti-Ice demonstration where he planned to interfere with their enforcement of immigration laws.

Two things are abundantly clear after your last 6 posts or so. One, you have no understanding of gun laws or the difference between use of deadly force by citizens and use of deadly force by cops ( which I completely think should be the same, but they aren’t) and you are completely unhinged.
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Hey, why does the 2nd amendment exist? What's the full text, exactly? I'd love for you to copy and paste the whole thing here.

Having the right to bear arms to protect yourself from law enforcement that oversteps its bounds is LITERALLY the entire purpose of the 2nd amendment. It was written and added to the Constitution shortly after the US separated itself from a tyrannical government that tried to use its own force to command us into obedience. Alex Pretti had EVERY right to bring his fully licensed gun, for which he had a permit. No matter what you think, the law is not "you have the right to bear arms except for when conservatives or LEOs don't want you to."
 
Floyd Eye said:
difference between use of deadly force by citizens and use of deadly force by cops ( which I completely think should be the same, but they aren’t)
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Do you think citizens should have the same standards as LE, or the other way around?
 
Floyd Eye said:
I actually don’t.

I called it the other day when I said my gut feeling was that one of the cops yelled “ he’s got a gun”. According to the report by the DHS that’s precisely what happened. Now if I, a regular uneducated ditch digger, knows what comes after that you would think a dude with a college degree would be smart enough to know. I’d be interested in knowing if he took any kind of concealed carry training to get his permit because if he did, then he knew and chose to ignore it. The first thing drummed into your head in any CCW class is how to interact with LEO if you are armed. Pretty specifically armed himself for that encounter and then did the exact opposite of what he was taught and it cost him his life. “ For the cause”.

To clarify my position a little better, no I don’t think he deserved to die and yes I think at least two of those cops over-reacted. Unfortunately the rules for cops when it comes to deadly force are completely different than the rules for citizens. And that has been upheld by the SCOTUS on multiple occasions. Is it right ? I don’t think so, but knowing that’s the way it is, which everyone who isn’t a fucking retard does, I would never in a million years do what this nurse did. It’s essentially suicide by cop.
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To be clear, I wouldn't do what he did either. I'm also not suicidal. However, I think the fact that you'd have to be suicidal to even "have a gun holstered around a cop" is what's wrong. Cops or any law enforcement should not have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner with no accountability. Just because somebody has a gun doesn't mean a cop has the right to just say "THEY'RE COMIN' RIGHT FOR US" South Park style and start blasting.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
Do you think citizens should have the same standards as LE, or the other way around?
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I think the reasonable man standard should apply to both. If a reasonable man would be in fear of death or bodily injury it’s justified.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Alex Pretti had EVERY right to bring his fully licensed gun, for which he had a permit. No matter what you think, the law is not "you have the right to bear arms except for when conservatives or LEOs don't want you to."
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No one is arguing that point you fucking dumbass.
Yes he did have every right to bring his firearm and peacefully protest
We're saying as a result of his dumb choices and actions of fighting with LE resulted in his death.
Same as with that Renee Good woman.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I think the reasonable man standard should apply to both. If a reasonable man would be in fear of death or bodily injury it’s justified.
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That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. I live in a state with Castle Doctrine, not that duty to retreat nonsense. My State's laws while not exact are very similar to the standards LE is held to. So that's the way my though automatically goes. It takes me a minute to register if someone is on that same page or not.
 
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