Creamback H vs Vintage 30 - Comparison Vid & Similar?

[Junk Yard Dog]

A little surprised how similar these sound in this video. The V30 has a slighter mid bost, but not by much, which seems really strange, since we always hear how the H30 H75 is supposed to be flat with no mids.

I have this combo in my diagonal 2x12 with my Splawn Pro Stock and I sometimes find the mids from the speakers a bit grating after a 4 hour show. I'm now thinking of dropping one of these speakers from my diagonal and replacing one or the other with a Creamback M65 or K-100.

What do you guys think?

Cheers!

 

[raiken]

Thoughts:

(1) I think your phrasing and playing is great, really nice!

(2) The Creamback sounds nicer to me than the V30, especially on the passage beginning at 0:43 - you can really hear the V30 midrange buzz kick in at 0:53. However, the V30 cuts a bit better for the single-note leads.

(3) I'm surprised the Creamback H sounds so good. I have an H-75 and an M-65, and I can't stand the H, it is very harsh and bright, which I don't hear in your video. I wonder if I got a bad one? Is the Montage cab ported or sealed?

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

Thoughts:

(1) I think your phrasing and playing is great, really nice!

(2) The Creamback sounds nicer to me than the V30, especially on the passage beginning at 0:43 - you can really hear the V30 midrange buzz kick in at 0:53. However, the V30 cuts a bit better for the single-note leads.

(3) I'm surprised the Creamback H sounds so good. I have an H-75 and an M-65, and I can't stand the H, it is very harsh and bright, which I don't hear in your video. I wonder if I got a bad one? Is the Montage cab ported or sealed?

Thanks! ...It's not my video, just one I found doing the comparison. I think it may be right, though, because my H75/V30 combo can sound a little too nasally and it's hard to dial that out. So, I can't answer your question in number three.

Cheers!

 

[charvelstrat81]

Cool i love the creamback 65's got em in this

 

[firejack]

I use two 2x12 cabs; closed-back with V30's on the bottom and an open-back with the M65's on top.
Makes for a huge, percussive oomph with really nice growl.
My previous fave speaker mix was the V30 x G12H30, but the V30 x M65 is now top dog for me.

 

[raiken]

Thanks! ...It's not my video, just one I found doing the comparison. I think it may be right, though, because my H75/V30 combo can sound a little too nasally and it's hard to dial that out. So, I can't answer your question in number three.

Cheers!

Ha! Well, I guess I just complimented some anonymous internet player. Whoever he is, it was a good video.

I also have the Creamback G12M-65, I like it a whole lot better than the G12H-75 Creamback. My only complaint about the 65 is that it is maybe a touch too dark, compared to a Greenback. To be fair, I have only compared one sample of each speaker in a dual-ported 1x12 cabinet, I'm sure they would sound completely different in a 4x12. FWIW, the Vintage 30 is my favorite speaker in the ported 1x12.

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

Ha! Well, I guess I just complimented some anonymous internet player. Whoever he is, it was a good video.

I also have the Creamback G12M-65, I like it a whole lot better than the G12H-75 Creamback. My only complaint about the 65 is that it is maybe a touch too dark, compared to a Greenback. To be fair, I have only compared one sample of each speaker in a dual-ported 1x12 cabinet, I'm sure they would sound completely different in a 4x12. FWIW, the Vintage 30 is my favorite speaker in the ported 1x12.

What don't you like about the CB H75?

 

[acalaf]

v30's by a mile.

 

[halebox]

I think the EVH 5150 makes all speakers sound similar

 

[sytharnia1560]

I'm now thinking of dropping one of these speakers from my diagonal and replacing one or the other with a Creamback M65 or K-100.

I am waiting for 2 m65's to arrive to pair with some g85s (which are old versions of the k100s) I have. Still a few weeks away apparently so if you are still wanting a review when they arrive I will let you know then

 

[raiken]

What don't you like about the CB H75?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it sounds all thin and harsh, compared to the M-65, Greenback, or even the Vintage 30. It makes me wonder if I got a bad one, but I have had several people tell me they had the same results, so I don't want to waste another $170 on one just to find out.

To be fair, I have only compared the speakers in identical 1x12 ported cabs, they may sound great in a 4x12, or maybe they just like sealed 1x12 cabs, which I plan to test soon. Cabinet porting can really affect the tone of a speaker.

I did several shootouts with identical 1x12 dual-ported cabs, using a Greenback, Vintage 30, Celestion A-type, WGS Invader, G12H30, Creamback M-65, Creamback M-75, and a few others I've forgotten.

All cabs were switched on the fly with a switchbox, so no memory lag between hearing them. All tests were blind, even I didn't know what speaker was in each cabinet. Everyone picked the Vintage30 as the best all-around speaker, tied with the Greenback, followed by the A-type (a surprise there), the Creamback M-65 (I really wanted this to be the one), the G12H-30, the WGS-Invader, and the Creamback H-75 was dead last.

The Creamback H-75 I bought is painful to listen to, really bad, at least in this cabinet. it sounds nothing like the video posted above. Maybe a little more break-in time will help, but all the other speakers sounded decent right out of the box. The M-65 is nice, but a bit muffled on the high end, would probably work great in a 4x12 with a bright amp. The Greenback would be ideal, but the 25W power rating rules it out for use in a 1x12 with higher-powered amps. The Vintage 30 was the big surprise, as I usually hate them, but they sound so right in the ported cab. The other surprise was the new Celestion A-type - it also sounded good, but not quite as good as the V30 or Greenback.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

Bump. Anyone else dumped a V30 in favor of the CB H75?

 

[PBGas]

After having several of them in past cabs, I don’t really like the Creamback M all that much.
I do like this Creamback H though. I probably should have tried those in the past. I remember when I had my Bogner XTC, I replaced the t75s that were in the 212CB with a couple of Creamback M’s and it was just lost. I traded them to a super nice forumite for couple of UK built V30s and it was beautiful once again and he was happy with the trade.

Currently I have a Mesa cab with the Mesa spec’d V30s and I find them to be the most pleasing to my ears of any of them.

We all hear things differently.

 

[Rex Rocker]

Bump. Anyone else dumped a V30 in favor of the CB H75?

I used to have a pair of V30's in my Marshall cab mixed with a couple Relic 30's. I later replaced the V30's with a pair of H-75's. My experience with them is in-line with what is shown in the vid. They trade the grating upper mid spike of the V30's for a sizzly, raspy high-end. They're more open-sounding. What the vid doesn't show is that they're noticeably more efficient too. They mix better with the Relic 30's because Relic 30's are even more efficient than either V30's or H-75's.

 

[splatter]

I have a 4x12 with g12h-75 creambacks and the other guitar player in the band I'm in has the same cab loaded with v30's and they are like night and day. The v30's have so much mids I hate them while the creambacks are more agressive sounding and way less mids.
I also have another 4x12 loaded with 2 creambacks and 2 g12h30's and that is a sweet combination IMO. The h30's seem to have a smoother top end.

You mentioned dropping one of the speakers and replacing it with an M65. From what I've heard of those they are mid heavy as well.

 

[njshred]

I thought the combined sounded great.

 

[glassjaw7]

They are similar but I can still hear quite a difference. The H sounded much more musical, although bright. The V30 has that dry buzz and aggressiveness that can't quite be dialed out but it also helps it cut.

The truth is that the cab dimensions make almost more of a difference than the speakers and depending on how recording is done, you'll sometimes hear more/less of a difference. Whenever a backing track is involved it seems to make things more difficult to tell apart.

Here's another video with a Bogner Shiva comparing the same speakers. Very accurate "in the room" sound and easy to tell the character of each speaker here.

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

They are similar but I can still hear quite a difference. The H sounded much more musical, although bright. The V30 has that dry buzz and aggressiveness that can't quite be dialed out but it also helps it cut.

The truth is that the cab dimensions make almost more of a difference than the speakers and depending on how recording is done, you'll sometimes hear more/less of a difference. Whenever a backing track is involved it seems to make things more difficult to tell apart.

Here's another video with a Bogner Shiva comparing the same speakers. Very accurate "in the room" sound and easy to tell the character of each speaker here.

Wow. In room that's a pretty drastic difference there. I tend to prefer the V30 in that clip.