Deal fell through w/ Guitar Porn mod - Sketch-tastic seller

[Jer]

It's unfortunate that you're not going to get the guitar that you wanted, BUT, as was said before, NO money was exchanged...no one did anything wrong. As far as I'm concerned, until there is transfer of money, it is the seller's property, and he can do what he wants with it. You also have to consider...expecting ANYTHING to be sent to you without payment, ESPECIALLY in an internet transaction, is just a joke. For you to demand it with a post like this is even worse.

+1

This is just how things are done these days. Pay first, ship after; no different than any online retailer. Takes some getting used to with regards to private sellers but you quickly learn how to spot sketchy situations and this one doesn't fit the mold.

Just chalk up the loss to a learning experience; I'm sure the seller isn't too happy about how things worked out either.

 

[rlord1974]

If you need to sell pedals in order to afford a 3K$ guitar, you can't afford a 3K$ guitar
Period

Fucking bravo. Good on you for zeroing in on the real issue here.

 

[engage757]

If you need to sell pedals in order to afford a 3K$ guitar, you can't afford a 3K$ guitar
Period

Edit: Beat me to it ^

 

[t-rex22]

If he agreed and then wont deliver that is one thing. But if he was not interested in the sale and didnt feel comfortable going through with it then that is perfectly legitimate as well - you can not fault him for that. However if he lied about it and refuses to be an honest seller then feedback should be posted.

Or maybe the OP just tried to pull a blackmail-like stunt to get the instrument. I agree, this isn't ss.org. It is far more respectable.
Given what I have seen of how nutty this guy went about NOT getting the deal, it sounds like someone that is a little butt-hurt and trying to start an issue over it.

I don't think feedback would apply to this until a deal was made. There was no deal in this case as far as I can tell. MOney never moved and neither did an instrument.

Engage you deal with some high end stuff so you know how this goes - but to the OP here is how it works on the internet - the seller can pull the ad anytime he pleases as long as money is not transferred. If Mehtab had the guitar and decided not to sell (for any reason) and nothing transferred bank accounts then the buyer can do nothing but walk.

I had a seller back out of an expensive amp deal because he did not want to part with it. Was not a problem - both parties walked on. He was not ready to sell yet. Shit happens.

What does not sit well with me though is how Mehtab mentions a broken guitar with no broken guitar pictures?

Thanks for your input, everyone. To clarify a few points here - no money has been transferred. So, sure, nothing to talk about here. I get that. But a deal HAD been reached (correcting one comment) and I was promised a final shipping quote for the total for "tomorrow". Of course we agreed for me to pay upfront. Up to this point, our correspondence had been on great terms and Mehtab was very friendly and responsive. And then suddenly he wasn't. Mods can read our PMs and confirm exactly that. None of this would have happened if he had simply responded to my check-ins or given me an update on this alleged headstock break. I just don't believe it, particularly with the way he doesn't even defend it, nor his lack of responsiveness to me. We're all awaiting the pics.

Do I expect him to send me a guitar without paying for it? Of course not. I'm not crazy. I opened a door (however unrealistic) for Mehtab to make good on dicking me around with this deal to make a point. And honestly, I think some people are intentionally distracting the issue by getting stuck on this detail. Nobody on the planet would have entertained that conversation in the first place. I would love to find an agreeable solution in which the trade could still go down, but of course that's entirely unlikely at this point.

I'm sure you all can read into the content and tone of my post here and my original one and see that I'm not a completely hot-headed, unreasonable guy. I completely realize the impression you guys must have of me here - no references, just few posts vs. a guy that's done tons of successful deals and has friends here. I tried to engage in my first RT deal with nothing but respect and courtesy for the seller, the community, and the rules of engagement, and I got dicked around, at the very least in as much as communication goes. Pretty frustrating. What else can I say and do besides what I think the right thing is here and speak up about how Mehtab handled the situation and how I find other elements of the situation to be pretty sketchy. Its certainly a regrettable situation, but I stand by my actions. Should Mehtab be surprised about how any of this turned out? Absolutely not.

If Mehtab is able to provide pics of the guitar with the broken headstock, then I suppose he'll clear his side of the disagreement here and we'll chalk it up to his communication skills needing some work. If not, then I think we'll all have some doubt about his integrity around following through with agreements that he makes with other forum members. Obviously the alternative scenario - an offer he liked better than mine - fits this story a lot better than a broken headstock.

Again, the admins here can confirm in our PMs all day long that we had a completely standard deal fully agreed upon which he disappeared from.

I still find the association with GP and the self-claimed 6-figure "stealth-marketing supported instrument sales business" pretty sketchy, and the fact that its gone undisclosed is not in the spirit of forum rules. The very nature of it sounds deceptive. Maybe its all totally harmless and I'm reading into it. What do I know? I will defer to the community here.

 

[Stealthtastic]

At what point did I say:

"sell your gear and ill hold the guitar"?

I didn't, and like I said in my pm to you, it's with my tech ATM.

Also your description you pulled off my LinkedIn profile is incorrect.

Honestly, right now im out a ton of cash and I'm pretty tired of your BS

 

[engage757]

If he agreed and then wont deliver that is one thing. But if he was not interested in the sale and didnt feel comfortable going through with it then that is perfectly legitimate as well - you can not fault him for that. However if he lied about it and refuses to be an honest seller then feedback should be posted.

Or maybe the OP just tried to pull a blackmail-like stunt to get the instrument. I agree, this isn't ss.org. It is far more respectable.
Given what I have seen of how nutty this guy went about NOT getting the deal, it sounds like someone that is a little butt-hurt and trying to start an issue over it.

I don't think feedback would apply to this until a deal was made. There was no deal in this case as far as I can tell. MOney never moved and neither did an instrument.

Engage you deal with some high end stuff so you know how this goes - but to the OP here is how it works on the internet - the seller can pull the ad anytime he pleases as long as money is not transferred. If Mehtab had the guitar and decided not to sell (for any reason) and nothing transferred bank accounts then the buyer can do nothing but walk.

I had a seller back out of an expensive amp deal because he did not want to part with it. Was not a problem - both parties walked on. He was not ready to sell yet. Shit happens.

What does not sit well with me though is how Mehtab mentions a broken guitar with no broken guitar pictures?

Thanks for your input, everyone. To clarify a few points here - no money has been transferred. So, sure, nothing to talk about here. I get that. But a deal HAD been reached (correcting one comment) and I was promised a final shipping quote for the total for "tomorrow". Of course we agreed for me to pay upfront. Up to this point, our correspondence had been on great terms and Mehtab was very friendly and responsive. And then suddenly he wasn't. Mods can read our PMs and confirm exactly that. None of this would have happened if he had simply responded to my check-ins or given me an update on this alleged headstock break. I just don't believe it, particularly with the way he doesn't even defend it, nor his lack of responsiveness to me. We're all awaiting the pics.

Do I expect him to send me a guitar without paying for it? Of course not. I'm not crazy. I opened a door (however unrealistic) for Mehtab to make good on dicking me around with this deal to make a point. And honestly, I think some people are intentionally distracting the issue by getting stuck on this detail. Nobody on the planet would have entertained that conversation in the first place. I would love to find an agreeable solution in which the trade could still go down, but of course that's entirely unlikely at this point.

I'm sure you all can read into the content and tone of my post here and my original one and see that I'm not a completely hot-headed, unreasonable guy. I completely realize the impression you guys must have of me here - no references, just few posts vs. a guy that's done tons of successful deals and has friends here. I tried to engage in my first RT deal with nothing but respect and courtesy for the seller, the community, and the rules of engagement, and I got dicked around, at the very least in as much as communication goes. Pretty frustrating. What else can I say and do besides what I think the right thing is here and speak up about how Mehtab handled the situation and how I find other elements of the situation to be pretty sketchy. Its certainly a regrettable situation, but I stand by my actions. Should Mehtab be surprised about how any of this turned out? Absolutely not.

If Mehtab is able to provide pics of the guitar with the broken headstock, then I suppose he'll clear his side of the disagreement here and we'll chalk it up to his communication skills needing some work. If not, then I think we'll all have some doubt about his integrity around following through with agreements that he makes with other forum members. Obviously the alternative scenario - an offer he liked better than mine - fits this story a lot better than a broken headstock.

Again, the admins here can confirm in our PMs all day long that we had a completely standard deal fully agreed upon which he disappeared from.

I still find the association with GP and the self-claimed 6-figure "stealth-marketing supported instrument sales business" pretty sketchy, and the fact that its gone undisclosed is not in the spirit of forum rules. The very nature of it sounds deceptive. Maybe its all totally harmless and I'm reading into it. What do I know? I will defer to the community here.

Dude. You need to stop. You have taken this way too far. You already admitted to us in your statement that you would wire money after receiving the guitar. You are grasping at straws and we all know it. LET IT GO MAN. It's over. There wasn't a deal. Get over it. You said it and anyone can see it. UNtil money reached an account there was no deal. Sorry man. That's how it is.

You are saying that this dude is sketchy, but you have no feedback, no references, 9 posts and you come in here throwing WILD accusations and trying to cause trouble.

The only one being sketchy here man is you. I am sorry. A TON of us have already come forward saying there is nothing sketchy about him. You are fighting a losing war. He doesn't owe you an explanation or even the time of day outside of common courtesy for a community member. In my opinion you are lucky you even got a response from him. If this is your idea of a correct way to act, sorry man, I wouldn't want to deal with you either.


BOTTOM LINE.
You wanted him to send you a guitar by your own admission without payment. You had no promises to hold it for you, no deal. You had no deposit on the guitar. If you had it would be a different story. This is an established forum member that you are (an unestablished, basically anonymous person of the internet) telling us to believe is a sketchy, scammer. When you had no deal and sent him no money. Sorry man. It's done. You aren't getting anywhere with this and I for one don't think he owes you anything or any explanation.

 

[ibenhad]

Damn I ain't shipping a 400$ guitar till I see cash. OP is definitely out of line here. In reality what does it matter that the seller changed his mind he owes you nothing. Maybe you annoyed him with some petty BS like having to sell pedals to raise the cash. Even if they were Klons that is a lot of pedals to sell to pay for that axe. I bet he was also nervous that after sending you would pull some shit that it got broke in shipping and didn't want to pay for it. Sorry man but seller got the same thing from you that you got from him NOTHING!

 

[glpg80]

Thanks for your input, everyone. To clarify a few points here - no money has been transferred. So, sure, nothing to talk about here.

Then why are you still posting?

We're all awaiting the pics.

No, no one cares. No money was sent - therefore he can back out whenever or for whatever reason he likes.

Do I expect him to send me a guitar without paying for it? Of course not. I'm not crazy. I opened a door (however unrealistic) for Mehtab to make good on dicking me around with this deal to make a point. And honestly, I think some people are intentionally distracting the issue by getting stuck on this detail. Nobody on the planet would have entertained that conversation in the first place. I would love to find an agreeable solution in which the trade could still go down, but of course that's entirely unlikely at this point.

The world does not owe you a damn thing. If you wanted the guitar badly enough you would have paid for it and acted in a professional manner. Neither of which you have done. So guess what? Everyone on this forum including myself sides with Mehtab.

I tried to engage in my first RT deal with nothing but respect and courtesy for the seller, the community, and the rules of engagement, and I got dicked around, at the very least in as much as communication goes. Pretty frustrating. What else can I say and do besides what I think the right thing is here and speak up about how Mehtab handled the situation and how I find other elements of the situation to be pretty sketchy. Its certainly a regrettable situation, but I stand by my actions. Should Mehtab be surprised about how any of this turned out? Absolutely not.

Once again he can say whatever he pleases and do whatever he pleases with the guitar because he owns the guitar. You never sent funds and until you do nothing is final.

If Mehtab is able to provide pics of the guitar with the broken headstock, then I suppose he'll clear his side of the disagreement here and we'll chalk it up to his communication skills needing some work. If not, then I think we'll all have some doubt about his integrity around following through with agreements that he makes with other forum members. Obviously the alternative scenario - an offer he liked better than mine - fits this story a lot better than a broken headstock.

Once again no money was sent which requires any pictures. I have zero doubt in his integrity and until you pay for the guitar, no one owes you a picture or a dime of time.

Again, the admins here can confirm in our PMs all day long that we had a completely standard deal fully agreed upon which he disappeared from.

And if the seller decides on the last day to back out of the deal then that is 100% legal. There are no binding contracts with online gear and only when funds are transferred do things become feedback-worthy.

 

[engage757]

also, on last thing to add. Ask yourself what your motive here is. Because you aren't getting a guitar. One way or another, sorry. What is your endgame in this? Just resign yourself to the fact that you aren't getting that guitar. WHo cares? You aren't out any money and you never sent any money to anyone. At this point, you are wasting your time and really hurting yourself on this forum if you intend to do some trading/buying/selling. A lot of the people in this thread are big gear heads on this site. You aren't helping yourself much if you want to establish yourself as someone to deal with on here.

I'm sorry you are disappointed man. But you aren't hurting anyone's rep but your own. Move on and stop trying to cause trouble.

 

[ibenhad]

t-rex22 - Let it go man it's just a guitar. Obsess much? Seriously unhealthy.

 

[Anonymous]

If the seller decides not to sell the guitar because he made "some love stains on the back" or because his mistress loves the colour, it's his own business. Yes, it sucks. I've had many buyers bail out on deals. My motto: it's never a done deal unless money's in the bank. Even if the guy is coming by private jet from Siam to buy my one-off guitar Miley Cyrus has twerked on, I never consider it a done deal until that cash is in my pocket and the buyer is gone.

 

[ibenhad]

http://www.vintageguitar.com/special-fe ... e-effects/ - I never knew! This is actually more interesting.

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

http://www.vintageguitar.com/special-features/25-most-valuable-effects/ - I never knew! This is actually more interesting.

You're not kidding!

 

[EXPcustom]

I love the way you set the terms in the OP, demands he ships the guitar first then demand a 6% discount for lies and headaches on top of everything else.

I have to remember that one in the future. 6% douche discount/adjustment.

Been buying and selling gear online for close to 13 years, never heard of a buyer with no feedback or references demanding I ship a guitar first then send money.

I have shipped gear before without payment but those guys I either knew or they had lots of references.

Also who cares what his LinkedIn profile says, not really any of your business.

You're not entitled to a explanation or photos of the busted guitar either if the seller did not feel comfortable risking his 4k guitar. Maybe he was worried you would flip out if he told you "no" to the deal after assessing the risk so he did lie about it having a broken headstock. I really would not blame him for doing that at this point.

 

[Metlupass2]

This is the dumbest thread. When buying or selling you deal with time wasters who flake out. Whether they're bullshitting or not yeah it sucks but nobody is out any money so move on. The fact that you made this thread is just stupid.

Stop harassing the guy and find another guitar.

 

[engage757]

Dude... Pm me. I want it.

 

[Stealthtastic]

Well I just found out OP's boss is friends with a friend of one of my family members. If he wants to keep trying to blackmail him, its up to him because I know what I'm doing if he does.

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

Well I just found out OP's boss is friends with a friend of one of my family members. If he wants to keep trying to blackmail him, its up to him because I know what I'm doing if he does.

Oh, snap!

Walk on home, boy.

 

[engage757]

Well I just found out OP's boss is friends with a friend of one of my family members. If he wants to keep trying to blackmail him, its up to him because I know what I'm doing if he does.

AAAANNNNDDDD suddenly... I am sensing the end of this thread.

 

[Anonymous]

Well I just found out OP's boss is friends with a friend of one of my family members. If he wants to keep trying to blackmail him, its up to him because I know what I'm doing if he does.

Not cool