Decisions Decisions...First Peters Triple Channel

[gixr2zixr]

And my first Peters for that matter....

Question for the Peters owners of the world...Any input greatly appreciated!!
Particularly, owners that can give a GRYPHON/GNL/FSM comparison.

My Peters Triple is next in line for assembly (there will be a 2nd Amp as well, a Dual Channel however), James is awesome and "one of a kind", the best in my book. I'm still somewhat torn/undecided on my 3rd Channel. Will it be "Gryphon, GNL, or FSM"???
First two channels will be Halo and Vega.

I love the throaty/growl of the Gryphon (FireJack's), however, the GNL and FSM might be just a bit more nasty ???
I haven't found any clips online of the GNL, and maybe 3 of the FSM. Any GNL Owners out there???

Choosing this 3rd Channel will ultimately affect my 2nd Amp selection/decision (better known as the MYFF, melt your f'ing face amp).
This 2nd Amp will ultimately be an FSM/Hydra, FSM/Chimera or a Hydra/Chimera?

My goal is to have 2 Amp heads only, covering "mild to wild" (5 Channels total)....and without 2 of the channels being too close/overlapping.
Will be using a Joyo f/s to enable flexible channel changes.

Any input would be greatly appreciated......3rd Channel selection is this week, I'm stoked and done with "rack systems".
The pic is my current rack of a nightmare/boat anchor (Engl 570, Boogie 295, Marshall 9000 50/50, Engl 530, etc.)
Pic is not up to date, as there's now an ISP SL600 sub in the mix.

Cheers,
John

 

[FourT6and2]

I can't help you because I'm in the same boat. I've been wanting a dual channel, but can't decide which high-gain model to go with. So I'd be interested to hear from any Peters owners.

 

[gixr2zixr]

I can't help you because I'm in the same boat. I've been wanting a dual channel, but can't decide which high-gain model to go with. So I'd be interested to hear from any Peters owners.

Well, if you go Dual Highest of Hi-Gain....there are those 3 wicked choices

FSM/Hydra
FSM/Chimera, or
Hydra/Chimera

If I were doing only Dual Hi-Gain, I'd probably go Hydra/Chimera or Hydra/FSM

The big stumper to me is the "middle ground" hi-gain area Gryphon or GNL (since these 2 can't be paired with FSM/Hydra/Chimera)

 

[VC4Ever]

Get the FSM.

 

[7 Stringer]

Got your message tonight, didn't respond as we just finished our jam.

Where to start

Let me say this, the Gryphon was my favorite metal amp for years, we play Parkway drive a lot and it excels at those tone, drop B and the likes. So it is a very versatile amp channel, from blues rock to molten metal mayhem.

I sold it only to fund my Triple channel Halo/Vega/FSM. I'm very happy with my channel choice, I was torn as hell also for months before deciding. The FSM is more aggressive and a bit more modern than the Gryphon, I'd as happy with either one. The thing is that with the Gryphon I could put 6550's and get a super tight aggressive tone, now I have that tone but with el34s, I will put some 6550s back in the FSM just to see what it will result in.

I had the Chimera before the Gryphon and I didn't like it as much, stiffer, less give, no spongy feel at all. This is what I like about the Peters, it has a feel under your fingers that's like squeezing a firm cheese but the result in the cab is tight and percussive.

The FSM can be you face melting channel, it can be very versatile by experimenting with all the different switches and controls. You'd have the Vega for you mellower tones, it very good at that. It's quite special.

Listen to James and his descriptions, he's the best at helping you out here, what someone likes might not be your cup of tea. Don't forget that with an EQ in the loop, you can get it to go even more aggressive and shape the tone even further to your liking.

Here is a clip I did like 4-5 years ago, I was Gryphon addict back then

https://youtu.be/Ehfp--b2OKA

I'm on my iPad, it's a pain to imbed a video, sorry.

Pic of my triple

I won't reply to your email, this is my response. But if you have any questions, send me another one. I ain't a super keyboard guy.

Chris

 

[gixr2zixr]

Got your message tonight, didn't respond as we just finished our jam.

Where to start

Let me say this, the Gryphon was my favorite metal amp for years, we play Parkway drive a lot and it excels at those tone, drop B and the likes. So it is a very versatile amp channel, from blues rock to molten metal mayhem.

I sold it only to fund my Triple channel Halo/Vega/FSM. I'm very happy with my channel choice, I was torn as hell also for months before deciding. The FSM is more aggressive and a bit more modern than the Gryphon, I'd as happy with either one. The thing is that with the Gryphon I could put 6550's and get a super tight aggressive tone, now I have that tone but with el34s, I will put some 6550s back in the FSM just to see what it will result in.

I had the Chimera before the Gryphon and I didn't like it as much, stiffer, less give, no spongy feel at all. This is what I like about the Peters, it has a feel under your fingers that's like squeezing a firm cheese but the result in the cab is tight and percussive.

The FSM can be you face melting channel, it can be very versatile by experimenting with all the different switches and controls. You'd have the Vega for you mellower tones, it very good at that. It's quite special.

Listen to James and his descriptions, he's the best at helping you out here, what someone likes might not be your cup of tea. Don't forget that with an EQ in the loop, you can get it to go even more aggressive and shape the tone even further to your liking.

Here is a clip I did like 4-5 years ago, I was Gryphon addict back then

https://youtu.be/Ehfp--b2OKA

I'm on my iPad, it's a pain to imbed a video, sorry.

Pic of my triple

I won't reply to your email, this is my response. But if you have any questions, send me another one. I ain't a super keyboard guy.

Chris

Much appreciated Chris....
I'm leaning towards the Halo/Vega/GNL on the Triple, and FSM/Hydra on the 2nd Amp since the FSM apparently blends closer to and is a nicer version of the Chimera (funny to user the word "nicer" in a face melting sense).

Will be running a Joyo foot switch (was suggested) to channel bounce across all 5.
I'm not a fan of OD pedals but I have an OCD Fulltone that I'd use only on the Vega (if needed), though I like the MXR 10 band on my current Engl 570 pre, and will continue using the MXR for tonal shaping.

Thx again for your input....

 

[FourT6and2]

I can't help you because I'm in the same boat. I've been wanting a dual channel, but can't decide which high-gain model to go with. So I'd be interested to hear from any Peters owners.

Well, if you go Dual Highest of Hi-Gain....there are those 3 wicked choices

FSM/Hydra
FSM/Chimera, or
Hydra/Chimera

If I were doing only Dual Hi-Gain, I'd probably go Hydra/Chimera or Hydra/FSM

The big stumper to me is the "middle ground" hi-gain area Gryphon or GNL (since these 2 can't be paired with FSM/Hydra/Chimera)

Well the first channel would be clean. Only one high-gainer. I play in Drop D and Standard. And I play mostly modern rock, hard rock, prog rock/metal. But I like a really snarly, mean pissed off sound. Tight low-end. almost surgical. But still has some give and saturation with an upper-mid bite. Diezel VH4 was closest so far. But I want something less compressed and closer to a typical Marshall sound. From the description, I think Chimera is out. I want something a little more "wet" sounding.

 

[gixr2zixr]

I hear ya!!!....decisions decisions.....me want snarly/pissed off tone also

I'd just like to spread across with the 5 best channels within 2 Amps (less mean, middle mean, and really pissed) and call it a day

Wish there were some GNL sound bits out there.....

 

[7 Stringer]

I hear ya!!!....decisions decisions.....me want snarly/pissed off tone also

I'd just like to spread across with the 5 best channels within 2 Amps (less mean, middle mean, and really pissed) and call it a day
Wish there were some GNL sound bits out there.....

Have you listened to this

This is serious grind right there man, i love that tone.

Chris

 

[gixr2zixr]

I hear ya!!!....decisions decisions.....me want snarly/pissed off tone also

I'd just like to spread across with the 5 best channels within 2 Amps (less mean, middle mean, and really pissed) and call it a day
Wish there were some GNL sound bits out there.....

Have you listened to this

This is serious grind right there man, i love that tone.

Chris

Yep....I've pretty much found every sound clip and vid on the WWW.
Tom's vid's pretty much got me going on the Peters thing.

 

[dethyr]

The more I read about these amps, the more I want one. I sure wish I had $4000 laying around

 

[7 Stringer]

I hear ya!!!....decisions decisions.....me want snarly/pissed off tone also

I'd just like to spread across with the 5 best channels within 2 Amps (less mean, middle mean, and really pissed) and call it a day
Wish there were some GNL sound bits out there.....

Have you listened to this

This is serious grind right there man, i love that tone.

Chris

Yep....I've pretty much found every sound clip and vid on the WWW.
Tom's vid's pretty much got me going on the Peters thing.

If you going to get the 2 channel with Hydra and Chimera, i`d go GNL, it`s right in the middle of the Gryphon and FSM, so you`ll be more in the middle.

But, the FSM covers tha brootz easily, so me i`m happy with the triple for everything from clean to brootz so i`m set, i couldn`t need a more brootal tone.

Chris

 

[gixr2zixr]

Decision made
FSM/Hydra to be built first, after conv. w/James this morning.

Triple--Halo/Vega/GNL
MANY Thx to James....

 

[FourT6and2]

Well almost grabbed the used 50 watt Hydra in the classified section. But SOMEONE got to it 30 minutes before me.

My plan was to try that one out as a starting point for comparison and then get a new dual channel built. But that plan died.

So, trying to decide between a single or dual channel. 50 or 100 watts. And which OD channel to go with. James and I have gone back and forth via email. He has been very helpful in describing each channel. But I still can't decide. There are aspects of each that seem desirable. Though I think it's down to the Hydra and FSM. Though the Gryphon sounds nice in that it's a modern high-gain amp with a vintage feel and some "chime". And the GNL sounds nice because it's a middle ground between that and the FSM. And the FSM sounds great too. Arrrgh! Might have to get more than one…

Best amp I've played so far has been the VH4 and Einstein. Great amps. Maybe a little too compressed or polished sounding. I like a mean, aggressive overdrive. Something with snarl and growl. Tight in the lows, smooth in the highs. Mean in the mids. But I don't play detuned modern metal. So I don't need something that's super gainy and "brutal." But I still like a really aggressive mid range sound. Amps like the Chupacabra and CCV had awesome snarly mids, but were very dry sounding and not saturated enough.

Not sure what to do lol. Too many choices.

 

[gixr2zixr]

Well almost grabbed the used 50 watt Hydra in the classified section. But SOMEONE got to it 30 minutes before me.

My plan was to try that one out as a starting point for comparison and then get a new dual channel built. But that plan died.

So, trying to decide between a single or dual channel. 50 or 100 watts. And which OD channel to go with. James and I have gone back and forth via email. He has been very helpful in describing each channel. But I still can't decide. There are aspects of each that seem desirable. Though I think it's down to the Hydra and FSM. Though the Gryphon sounds nice in that it's a modern high-gain amp with a vintage feel and some "chime". And the GNL sounds nice because it's a middle ground between that and the FSM. And the FSM sounds great too. Arrrgh! Might have to get more than one…

Best amp I've played so far has been the VH4 and Einstein. Great amps. Maybe a little too compressed or polished sounding. I like a mean, aggressive overdrive. Something with snarl and growl. Tight in the lows, smooth in the highs. Mean in the mids. But I don't play detuned modern metal. So I don't need something that's super gainy and "brutal." But I still like a really aggressive mid range sound. Amps like the Chupacabra and CCV had awesome snarly mids, but were very dry sounding and not saturated enough.

Not sure what to do lol. Too many choices.

DO IT!!! Buy more than 1!!!!.....I was only going to get one, then I thought just get rid of my Rack System entirely.
I really want the whole or best spread of Peters Channels.
James then mentioned what I could do with the Joyo switching system w/5 Channels/2 Amps....with 3 Cabs and ISP Sub, basically unleashing holy hell on any human ear within a 100 yard radius. Many thanks to Tom for his inspiring and "crushing" YouTube Vids.

Tell me about it....the whole selection/decision was about to drive me
James'll tell you that most of the Gryphon clips that are online are actually boosted for the most part.

I noticed this, and James thinks as well, that FireJack's YouTube Vid with the ET Tomahawk Guitar is actually the GNL (Gavin calls it a GRYPHON on the Vid but it's supposedly his MODIFIED Hydra Head). Then his other Vids he calls the same head a Hydra (probably before the Mod to GNL)...watch the Vids and you'll notice the shape of the Amp Head.

I'm going with the Dual first, FSM/Hydra....
To keep the face plate/chassis cosmetics consistent with the Dual Channel, James suggested I wait for his newer parts to come in specific for the Triple layout (Halo/Vega/GNL). Will have my 2 Amps/5 Channels and call it a day. But I'm sure some day I'll end up with a Chimera

Now I'm going to put up for sale my Mint Engl e570 (I bought new in June).....never been outta the home.

Cheers,
John

 

[FourT6and2]

Well almost grabbed the used 50 watt Hydra in the classified section. But SOMEONE got to it 30 minutes before me.

My plan was to try that one out as a starting point for comparison and then get a new dual channel built. But that plan died.

So, trying to decide between a single or dual channel. 50 or 100 watts. And which OD channel to go with. James and I have gone back and forth via email. He has been very helpful in describing each channel. But I still can't decide. There are aspects of each that seem desirable. Though I think it's down to the Hydra and FSM. Though the Gryphon sounds nice in that it's a modern high-gain amp with a vintage feel and some "chime". And the GNL sounds nice because it's a middle ground between that and the FSM. And the FSM sounds great too. Arrrgh! Might have to get more than one…

Best amp I've played so far has been the VH4 and Einstein. Great amps. Maybe a little too compressed or polished sounding. I like a mean, aggressive overdrive. Something with snarl and growl. Tight in the lows, smooth in the highs. Mean in the mids. But I don't play detuned modern metal. So I don't need something that's super gainy and "brutal." But I still like a really aggressive mid range sound. Amps like the Chupacabra and CCV had awesome snarly mids, but were very dry sounding and not saturated enough.

Not sure what to do lol. Too many choices.

DO IT!!! Buy more than 1!!!!.....I was only going to get one, then I thought just get rid of my Rack System entirely.
I really want the whole or best spread of Peters Channels.
James then mentioned what I could do with the Joyo switching system w/5 Channels/2 Amps....with 3 Cabs and ISP Sub, basically unleashing holy hell on any human ear within a 100 yard radius. Many thanks to Tom for his inspiring and "crushing" YouTube Vids.

Tell me about it....the whole selection/decision was about to drive me
James'll tell you that most of the Gryphon clips that are online are actually boosted for the most part.

I noticed this, and James thinks as well, that FireJack's YouTube Vid with the ET Tomahawk Guitar is actually the GNL (Gavin calls it a GRYPHON on the Vid but it's supposedly his MODIFIED Hydra Head). Then his other Vids he calls the same head a Hydra (probably before the Mod to GNL)...watch the Vids and you'll notice the shape of the Amp Head.

I'm going with the Dual first, FSM/Hydra....
To keep the face plate/chassis cosmetics consistent with the Dual Channel, James suggested I wait for his newer parts to come in specific for the Triple layout (Halo/Vega/GNL). Will have my 2 Amps/5 Channels and call it a day. But I'm sure some day I'll end up with a Chimera

Now I'm going to put up for sale my Mint Engl e570 (I bought new in June).....never been outta the home.

Cheers,
John

I might just get a 50 watt Hydra single channel first. Then a dual with the Halo clean and probably the FSM or something. I dunno. I'm actually thinking about paying James a visit to try out any amps he has. Might be more helpful. How much re flights to Winnipeg again?

 

[gixr2zixr]

Well almost grabbed the used 50 watt Hydra in the classified section. But SOMEONE got to it 30 minutes before me.

My plan was to try that one out as a starting point for comparison and then get a new dual channel built. But that plan died.

So, trying to decide between a single or dual channel. 50 or 100 watts. And which OD channel to go with. James and I have gone back and forth via email. He has been very helpful in describing each channel. But I still can't decide. There are aspects of each that seem desirable. Though I think it's down to the Hydra and FSM. Though the Gryphon sounds nice in that it's a modern high-gain amp with a vintage feel and some "chime". And the GNL sounds nice because it's a middle ground between that and the FSM. And the FSM sounds great too. Arrrgh! Might have to get more than one…

Best amp I've played so far has been the VH4 and Einstein. Great amps. Maybe a little too compressed or polished sounding. I like a mean, aggressive overdrive. Something with snarl and growl. Tight in the lows, smooth in the highs. Mean in the mids. But I don't play detuned modern metal. So I don't need something that's super gainy and "brutal." But I still like a really aggressive mid range sound. Amps like the Chupacabra and CCV had awesome snarly mids, but were very dry sounding and not saturated enough.

Not sure what to do lol. Too many choices.

DO IT!!! Buy more than 1!!!!.....I was only going to get one, then I thought just get rid of my Rack System entirely.
I really want the whole or best spread of Peters Channels.
James then mentioned what I could do with the Joyo switching system w/5 Channels/2 Amps....with 3 Cabs and ISP Sub, basically unleashing holy hell on any human ear within a 100 yard radius. Many thanks to Tom for his inspiring and "crushing" YouTube Vids.

Tell me about it....the whole selection/decision was about to drive me
James'll tell you that most of the Gryphon clips that are online are actually boosted for the most part.

I noticed this, and James thinks as well, that FireJack's YouTube Vid with the ET Tomahawk Guitar is actually the GNL (Gavin calls it a GRYPHON on the Vid but it's supposedly his MODIFIED Hydra Head). Then his other Vids he calls the same head a Hydra (probably before the Mod to GNL)...watch the Vids and you'll notice the shape of the Amp Head.

I'm going with the Dual first, FSM/Hydra....
To keep the face plate/chassis cosmetics consistent with the Dual Channel, James suggested I wait for his newer parts to come in specific for the Triple layout (Halo/Vega/GNL). Will have my 2 Amps/5 Channels and call it a day. But I'm sure some day I'll end up with a Chimera

Now I'm going to put up for sale my Mint Engl e570 (I bought new in June).....never been outta the home.

Cheers,
John

I might just get a 50 watt Hydra single channel first. Then a dual with the Halo clean and probably the FSM or something. I dunno. I'm actually thinking about paying James a visit to try out any amps he has. Might be more helpful. How much re flights to Winnipeg again?

Where in Cali are you? LA?
My FSM/Hydra is being built next....it'll be a 100w

 

[FourT6and2]

Well almost grabbed the used 50 watt Hydra in the classified section. But SOMEONE got to it 30 minutes before me.

My plan was to try that one out as a starting point for comparison and then get a new dual channel built. But that plan died.

So, trying to decide between a single or dual channel. 50 or 100 watts. And which OD channel to go with. James and I have gone back and forth via email. He has been very helpful in describing each channel. But I still can't decide. There are aspects of each that seem desirable. Though I think it's down to the Hydra and FSM. Though the Gryphon sounds nice in that it's a modern high-gain amp with a vintage feel and some "chime". And the GNL sounds nice because it's a middle ground between that and the FSM. And the FSM sounds great too. Arrrgh! Might have to get more than one…

Best amp I've played so far has been the VH4 and Einstein. Great amps. Maybe a little too compressed or polished sounding. I like a mean, aggressive overdrive. Something with snarl and growl. Tight in the lows, smooth in the highs. Mean in the mids. But I don't play detuned modern metal. So I don't need something that's super gainy and "brutal." But I still like a really aggressive mid range sound. Amps like the Chupacabra and CCV had awesome snarly mids, but were very dry sounding and not saturated enough.

Not sure what to do lol. Too many choices.

DO IT!!! Buy more than 1!!!!.....I was only going to get one, then I thought just get rid of my Rack System entirely.
I really want the whole or best spread of Peters Channels.
James then mentioned what I could do with the Joyo switching system w/5 Channels/2 Amps....with 3 Cabs and ISP Sub, basically unleashing holy hell on any human ear within a 100 yard radius. Many thanks to Tom for his inspiring and "crushing" YouTube Vids.

Tell me about it....the whole selection/decision was about to drive me
James'll tell you that most of the Gryphon clips that are online are actually boosted for the most part.

I noticed this, and James thinks as well, that FireJack's YouTube Vid with the ET Tomahawk Guitar is actually the GNL (Gavin calls it a GRYPHON on the Vid but it's supposedly his MODIFIED Hydra Head). Then his other Vids he calls the same head a Hydra (probably before the Mod to GNL)...watch the Vids and you'll notice the shape of the Amp Head.

I'm going with the Dual first, FSM/Hydra....
To keep the face plate/chassis cosmetics consistent with the Dual Channel, James suggested I wait for his newer parts to come in specific for the Triple layout (Halo/Vega/GNL). Will have my 2 Amps/5 Channels and call it a day. But I'm sure some day I'll end up with a Chimera

Now I'm going to put up for sale my Mint Engl e570 (I bought new in June).....never been outta the home.

Cheers,
John

I might just get a 50 watt Hydra single channel first. Then a dual with the Halo clean and probably the FSM or something. I dunno. I'm actually thinking about paying James a visit to try out any amps he has. Might be more helpful. How much re flights to Winnipeg again?

Where in Cali are you? LA?
My FSM/Hydra is being built next....it'll be a 100w

Nah, San Francisco.