Did NATO promise Russia never to expand to the east? | DW News

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Thumbpicker said:
Yes because this is about politics and foreign policy - not about personal donations.
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I never said anything about personal donations. I said you should tell your leaders to pitch in more since it's an important issue for you. The same way I tell my leaders to get us the fuck out of the business of funding other people's wars.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I never said anything about personal donations. I said you should tell your leaders to pitch in more since it's an important issue for you. The same way I tell my leaders to get us the fuck out of the business of funding other people's wars.
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They are pitching in and yes autocratic nations invading the free world is rather important. The US has gone rogue and is trying that on for size against Canada and Greenland and is supporting a murderous prick like Putin. I wonder why people in other countries are up in arms.

When people see what happens to other countries like Ukraine they ask themselves - what if that was us. When you see Trump basically letting Putin have his way and see him doing the same to friendly countries like Greenland and Canada and tariffs on even us in Australia you come up with the unsavoury conclusion that the US is no longer a friend at all.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
So are you gong to pledge you personal money and/or life (if you were of fighting age) to support the cause? Anything less is BS virtue signaling which you seem to be good at.
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Individuals don't declare war by themselves nor do they give personal donations to foreign war efforts. That's why they pay taxes and have a government. Has nothing to do with virtue signalling. If you can't separate a discussion about foreign policy at national level vs individuals there's something wrong with you.
 
Thumbpicker said:
They are pitching in and yes autocratic nations invading the free world is rather important. The US has gone rogue and is trying that on for size against Canada and Greenland and is supporting a murderous prick like Putin. I wonder why people in other countries are up in arms.

When people see what happens to other countries like Ukraine they ask themselves - what if that was us. When you see Trump basically letting Putin have his way and see him doing the same to friendly countries like Greenland and Canada and tariffs on even us in Australia you come up with the unsavoury conclusion that the US is no longer a friend at all.
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A couple corrections. First, as I said they aren't pitching in much. Look at what the US has spent compared to what Australia has spent and now you're calling all of us no good sons of bitches because we don't like it ? Takes balls dude.

Second, not funding Ukraine's war for them is not the same as supporting Putin.

Third, we aren't invading anyone. Kill your fucking TV for chrissakes.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Individuals don't declare war by themselves nor do they give personal donations to foreign war efforts. That's why they pay taxes and have a government. Has nothing to do with virtue signalling. If you can't separate a discussion about foreign policy at national level vs individuals there's something wrong with you.
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AKA you're completely full of shit and lack any conviction in your words. You completely support this continuing war as long as it doesn't affect you personally and someone else (another country) foots the majority of the bill. The definition of virtue signaling.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
AKA you're completely full of shit and lack any conviction in your words. You completely support this continuing war as long as it doesn't affect you personally and someone else (another country) foots the majority of the bill. The definition of virtue signaling.
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Nosepicker is real good at insulting other countries and talking like he has it all figured out. In reality, he's just another troll that's pissed off he's not American.
 
Findthetone1 said:
Nosepicker is real good at insulting other countries and talking like he has it all figured out. In reality, he's just another troll that's pissed off he's not American.
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This is a better country in all sorts of ways. Who wants to live in a slum like the US. Keep up the fascist rhetoric though - you are just a pathetic follower bleating like the rest of you brown shirts. Go burn some books and do a nazi salute like your overlords Mr. Sheep.
 
Thumbpicker said:
This is a better country in all sorts of ways. Who wants to live in a slum like the US. Keep up the fascist rhetoric though - you are just a pathetic follower bleating like the rest of you brown shirts. Go burn some books and do a nazi salute like your overlords Mr. Sheep.
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Witty retort. Thanks for proving my point dipshit.
 
Thumbpicker said:
This is a better country in all sorts of ways. Who wants to live in a slum like the US. Keep up the fascist rhetoric though - you are just a pathetic follower bleating like the rest of you brown shirts. Go burn some books and do a nazi salute like your overlords Mr. Sheep.
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Yeah but it’s a horrible country if you want a slingshot. Or to have something shipped to you. Or snow.
 
When you break it down to the core, you see that it isn't about some sneaky NATO masterplan to get all these pawn states to buy into EU wall, but more about EX Soviet states that lived under Russian oppression and had their identity, language, and culture stripped from them. You don't think that they've always known that they could lose everything they have and find themselves back under Russian rule? It was a no brainer for them to push to join NATO. It's the guarantee they wanted. So it really doesn't matter what Russia wanted because Russia seems to have wanted to create instability in the region and cherry pick what they wanted when they wanted it. Now that said, Ukraine has always been a dodgy state and pushing to join NATO.. they had to know that was kicking the bee-hive. But that said, their right to do it. The better play might have been to invite Russia to join NATO decades ago. That might have straightened them out a bit rather than pushing them to the outside. But all good now, Trump and Putin, best of pals! Everybody take what you want, nobody else matters.
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
When you break it down to the core, you see that it isn't about some sneaky NATO masterplan to get all these pawn states to buy into EU wall, but more about EX Soviet states that lived under Russian oppression and had their identity, language, and culture stripped from them. You don't think that they've always known that they could lose everything they have and find themselves back under Russian rule? It was a no brainer for them to push to join NATO. It's the guarantee they wanted. So it really doesn't matter what Russia wanted because Russia seems to have wanted to create instability in the region and cherry pick what they wanted when they wanted it. Now that said, Ukraine has always been a dodgy state and pushing to join NATO.. they had to know that was kicking the bee-hive. But that said, their right to do it. The better play might have been to invite Russia to join NATO decades ago. That might have straightened them out a bit rather than pushing them to the outside. But all good now, Trump and Putin, best of pals! Everybody take what you want, nobody else matters.
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I’m sure that would work. 😂😂

Ukraine borders Russia. Ukraine has been Russian for 99% of its existence. Russia was born in Kiev. Ukraine is only marginally less corrupt than Russia. They have no fucking business being in NATO and morons like Biden and Obama pushing the issue is the exact reason the current conflict exists.
 
Did poo-tin promise not to expand in yer ass again ?
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
When you break it down to the core, you see that it isn't about some sneaky NATO masterplan to get all these pawn states to buy into EU wall, but more about EX Soviet states that lived under Russian oppression and had their identity, language, and culture stripped from them. You don't think that they've always known that they could lose everything they have and find themselves back under Russian rule? It was a no brainer for them to push to join NATO. It's the guarantee they wanted. So it really doesn't matter what Russia wanted because Russia seems to have wanted to create instability in the region and cherry pick what they wanted when they wanted it. Now that said, Ukraine has always been a dodgy state and pushing to join NATO.. they had to know that was kicking the bee-hive. But that said, their right to do it. The better play might have been to invite Russia to join NATO decades ago. That might have straightened them out a bit rather than pushing them to the outside. But all good now, Trump and Putin, best of pals! Everybody take what you want, nobody else matters.
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Yes. Russia has no right to form a "coalition of the unwilling". They are shotgun overlords.
 
rsm said:
The truth will set you free. unless you're a leftist useless idiot, and have to wait to be told what the truth is, and what to feel about it.

For those with logic, reason, and reality:

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You can hold multiple views about multiple things without being " left" or " right". Amazes me how people dumb shit down by putting you in one camp or the other. That clip isn't anything new, it's the history of any and all failed states. Vultures swoop in and then eventually someone comes along and restores a bit of order ( by force). Hitler did it, Putin did it, Trump essentially did it and on we go. But we aren't talking about that here..even as a failed state, Ukraine was invaded by another country. The aggressor by default is Russia. So you really aren't setting anyone free with this " truth", it's all known. Large corporations are vampires in every single company too, not just failed states. People like Trump and most politicians, answer to those corporations because they are crucial to the national economy and global partnerships.
 
The truth will set you free. unless you're a leftist useless idiot, and have to wait to be told what the truth is, and what to feel about it.

For those with logic, reason, and reality:


Kapo_Polenton said:
You can hold multiple views about multiple things without being " left" or " right". Amazes me how people dumb shit down by putting you in one camp or the other. That clip isn't anything new, it's the history of any and all failed states. Vultures swoop in and then eve tally someone comes along and restores a but of order ( by force). Hitler did it, Putin did it, Trump essentially did it and on we go. But we aren't talking about that here..even as a failed state, Ukraine was invaded by another country. The aggressor by default is Russia. So you reqlly aren't setting anyone free with this " truth", it's all known. Large corporations are vampires in every single company too, not just failed states. People like Trump and most politicians, answer to those corporations because they are crucial to the national economy and global partnerships.
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Kapo_Polenton said:
You can hold multiple views about multiple things without being " left" or " right". Amazes me how people dumb shit down by putting you in one camp or the other. That clip isn't anything new, it's the history of any and all failed states. Vultures swoop in and then eventually someone comes along and restores a bit of order ( by force). Hitler did it, Putin did it, Trump essentially did it and on we go. But we aren't talking about that here..even as a failed state, Ukraine was invaded by another country. The aggressor by default is Russia. So you really aren't setting anyone free with this " truth", it's all known. Large corporations are vampires in every single company too, not just failed states. People like Trump and most politicians, answer to those corporations because they are crucial to the national economy and global partnerships.
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Now in our Newspapers they are saying Trump told Trudeau he wants to redraw the border with Canada.

Trudeau needs to grow some cajones (is that possible for a liberal man-woman?) and tell him to go f himself. What has he got to lose in his final days in office.
 
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