Did NATO promise Russia never to expand to the east? | DW News

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Like who would want to LOL.
For what $150 hamburgers & $2500 bottles of Vodka ?
 
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This is all fabricated. Russia has no defense against the west because of geography. Napoleon and Hitler taught them that. That’s why they held Eastern Europe after WW2. Honestly I think they feel their enemies are just the ideological constructions of the West, not any countries per se… Ukraine was an opportunity when we had a weak administration. Our power brokers use Russia as an excuse to get rich by funneling money into and from defense contractors. Other than their nukes Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger. We have proven to them repeatedly that NATO and the United States will not keep their word. Besides…Putin asked Clinton about joining NATO…. Clinton said nyet because it was bad for business… we need an artificial bad guy…. It was the ussr for decades, then it was muslims living in mud huts for decades, now it’s Russia…
 
Russia was given assurances by damned near every world leader in NATO that it would not expand eastward. HWBush being one of those “ world leaders”. Slowly but surely they have encroached, and all the while Putin has been warning there would be consequences.
Most of the documents showing that they were given assurances are declassified now.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...on-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
Ukraine can go fuck themselves. They are nothing more than a money laundry that kicks back cash to corrupt US politicians on both sides of the isle. I would rather be allies with Russia, and don’t understand why we aren’t. Everyone that has been conned into supporting Ukraine are dim wits, that still practice bomb drills once a week, because they firmly believe that Russia is going to nuke us one day.
 
JackBootedThug said:
This is all fabricated. Russia has no defense against the west because of geography. Napoleon and Hitler taught them that. That’s why they held Eastern Europe after WW2. Honestly I think they feel their enemies are just the ideological constructions of the West, not any countries per se… Ukraine was an opportunity when we had a weak administration. Our power brokers use Russia as an excuse to get rich by funneling money into and from defense contractors. Other than their nukes Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger. We have proven to them repeatedly that NATO and the United States will not keep their word. Besides…Putin asked Clinton about joining NATO…. Clinton said nyet because it was bad for business… we need an artificial bad guy…. It was the ussr for decades, then it was muslims living in mud huts for decades, now it’s Russia…
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You are not supposed to figure out the game JBT.............(SECURITY always needs a Boogieman))how else was the US going to explain why the standard of living kept going down after 1971 and the politicians spent all the social security trust fund money and left an IOU that is still kicked down the road with every CR instead of actually debating and passing an actual budget the GOV has to follow.....The country has been post constitutional for quite a while, only referring to it when it suits them and ignoring it when it doesn't.

The American people have been duped at least since 1913 but most don't really care...that's how they have been able to get away with it for so long.

History tells us no nation has ever come back from 37 Trillion of face debt and about 240-300 Trillions of unfunded liabilities for all the social contracts. Will the US be the first to do so?......... I think Rome, Babylon, Persia, Greece, (insert every great Empire that ever existed) thought it could too.......
 
voodooradio1 said:
Russia was given assurances by damned near every world leader in NATO that it would not expand eastward. HWBush being one of those “ world leaders”. Slowly but surely they have encroached, and all the while Putin has been warning there would be consequences.
Most of the documents showing that they were given assurances are declassified now.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...on-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
Ukraine can go fuck themselves. They are nothing more than a money laundry that kicks back cash to corrupt US politicians on both sides of the isle. I would rather be allies with Russia, and don’t understand why we aren’t. Everyone that has been conned into supporting Ukraine are dim wits, that still practice bomb drills once a week, because they firmly believe that Russia is going to nuke us one day.
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Even when you prove the West has been breaking agreements and treaties people still believe Russia Russia Russia.............Putin actually asked to be a member of NATO in 2000. The the Pentagon would have to face defunding..........and they couldn't have that now... could they.....how dare there be peace.

 
How can Russia demand that independent Eastern European nations that don't like Russia have to stay within their old soviet bloc. Russia has no right to anything beyond its own country. Same with the US - you have no right to Canada or Greenland. Fuck both of you. The US is now as bad as China and Russia in terms of its foreign policy.
 
I'm hoping Trump withdraws the USA from NATO.

Too many demoncrats and RINO neocons for that.

That's my wetdream of the day.
 
Thumbpicker said:
How can Russia demand that independent Eastern European nations that don't like Russia have to stay within their old soviet bloc. Russia has no right to anything beyond its own country. Same with the US - you have no right to Canada or Greenland. Fuck both of you. The US is now as bad as China and Russia in terms of its foreign policy.
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Russia asked the US to negotiate to make Ukraine neutral and remove all weapons and military bases before the start of the Special Military Operation; the US pushed NATO east into Poland, the Baltic States, after promising not to go East of Germany; another lie told to Russia by the US.
 
rsm said:
Russia asked the US to negotiate to make Ukraine neutral and remove all weapons and military bases before the start of the Special Military Operation; the US pushed NATO east into Poland, the Baltic States, after promising not to go East of Germany; another lie told to Russia by the US.
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And why do you think Ukraine should disarm to satisfy Russia? Was Russia going to disarm as well. Fuck Russia. Fuck the US.

Why shouldn't Poland join NATO? None of Russia's business who does what if it's not them.

Why did Hungary and Poland get invaded by those c_nts in Russia after WW2? That was as bad as Nazi Germany.
 
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