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Vintagier amps? even more than the Schmidt..... do you think there would be users out there that are not metal/rock players that could be interested in something else from Diezel?

I'd love to see a real vintage sounding amp from my fav. amp company (this one of course). Single channel amp or could be two, but really low gain and as open sounding as a vintage Fender or Vox.........of course it wouldn't be a copy, but just thinking about this more and more you think there would be a good crowd out there for this?
 
Naahh! We're not going backwards. We've got a new voice activated 9 channel amp coming out next year, blue tooth controllable from your iPhone 4S with a free 1 year PCP prescription thrown in !
 
i'd love to see a single-channel non-master volume amp. maybe one that runs on 6V6's? ugh i'd totally see myself hustlin the money together for an amp like that more than a Hagen!!!
 
haha good one Jens. :D

yeah I know there are other companies that do this type of amps..... it's not reinventing the wheel of course, I just wanted to know if you guys think the Diezel line of amplifiers would benefit from widening the range of the amps. Of course we know all current diezel amps can do fantastic things and are really versatile, but they all sound very modern......even the Schmidt which is fantastic, still sounds modernish.

Again, it was just a question, maybe the Diezel crowd is and will always be rock/metal mostly..... but given the reputation, quality, heart, passion that PEter and the crew puts into the company I'd really love to see one model dedicated to the vintage crowd. Blues, Country, Jazz, Pop players that need one really open sounding bouncy vintagy clean channel that takes pedals like a champ without all the bells and whistles the other big boys have etc.
 
Joeytpg":10x1ea6d said:
haha good one Jens. :D

yeah I know there are other companies that do this type of amps..... it's not reinventing the wheel of course, I just wanted to know if you guys think the Diezel line of amplifiers would benefit from widening the range of the amps. Of course we know all current diezel amps can do fantastic things and are really versatile, but they all sound very modern......even the Schmidt which is fantastic, still sounds modernish.

Again, it was just a question, maybe the Diezel crowd is and will always be rock/metal mostly..... but given the reputation, quality, heart, passion that PEter and the crew puts into the company I'd really love to see one model dedicated to the vintage crowd. Blues, Country, Jazz, Pop players that need one really open sounding bouncy vintagy clean channel that takes pedals like a champ without all the bells and whistles the other big boys have etc.

"Modern" means the amps are built as progressively as technically possible with the "antique" vacuum tube technology. The amps will always remain simple tube amplifiers. Peter Diezel just pushes the limit of that old technology which is in itself very limiting technically speaking. This results in a very transparent tonality that can accommodate a very wide range of guitars and also genres.

I myself am a Jazz/Blues/Country/Pop player and have used almost all Diezel amps very successfully recording those kind of genres. All Diezel amps can be easily tweaked to sound fantastic with Jazz and Blues. The amps are in my opinion and from my experience very open, even on the high gain channels. I can generate killer blues tones on a VH4 or Hagen on ch3 and ch4 with the gain set low and the master volume cranked. The amps are not compressed with that setting and stay very dynamic. Ever played a Herbert on ch2 (minus) with gain to 1 o clock and master volume cranked? Amazing Blues tone and kills any of that vintage stuff by miles in my humble opinion (been there done that).
I could supply you with lots of studio recording samples of the different models in all kind of "non metal/hardrock" enironments where the Diezel amps totally shine.

I used to play the real vintage amps (1 channel) Marshalls, Fender, HiWatt, Vox AC30, etc etc "back in the days". I would never go back to those kind of amps because they are not nearly as versatile in translating my creativity as the Diezel amps are. That is the whole point of Peter Diezel's work. Remember, he was modding and fixing the old style vintage amps from the mid 70s until the early 90s, before he founded his own company and designing his own amps. Peter felt that he could do so much better than the amps that were in existence that time and he has proven this point !

The fact that Diezel Amps are in a way "type cast" as metal or hard rock amps is due to the fact that they were marketed to that genre in the beginning, with bands like Korn and Metallica amongst many others. The goal for Diezel is to dramatically broaden the marketing which will happen starting next year. I know that Jazz and Country players alike will love our amps, you just have to get their attention and have them plug in.

If you really want that "vintage" tone then you have to play the old amps. I can confidently say, though, that if you really connect to any of the Diezel Amps and "get" them, you will understand my words and not worry about the old amps anymore. You would even be playing a Herbert, VH4 or Hagen for your genres (Jazz,Blues, Pop) with a hard on, because those amps have the tonality you need PLUS the balls to get people's attention.

Last point and very important: Your tone is 90% in the fingers, so if you are a Blues player and have skills and also work your guitar (playing dynamically, using volume and tone controls) you will sound good that way through any amp.

Just my personal opinion and experience. You are entitled to your opinion, of course ;)

Kind regards,

Jens
 
Diezel US Support":1m8rqw0h said:
Joeytpg":1m8rqw0h said:
haha good one Jens. :D

yeah I know there are other companies that do this type of amps..... it's not reinventing the wheel of course, I just wanted to know if you guys think the Diezel line of amplifiers would benefit from widening the range of the amps. Of course we know all current diezel amps can do fantastic things and are really versatile, but they all sound very modern......even the Schmidt which is fantastic, still sounds modernish.

Again, it was just a question, maybe the Diezel crowd is and will always be rock/metal mostly..... but given the reputation, quality, heart, passion that PEter and the crew puts into the company I'd really love to see one model dedicated to the vintage crowd. Blues, Country, Jazz, Pop players that need one really open sounding bouncy vintagy clean channel that takes pedals like a champ without all the bells and whistles the other big boys have etc.

"Modern" means the amps are built as progressively as technically possible with the "antique" vacuum tube technology. The amps will always remain simple tube amplifiers. Peter Diezel just pushes the limit of that old technology which is in itself very limiting technically speaking. This results in a very transparent tonality that can accommodate a very wide range of guitars and also genres.

I myself am a Jazz/Blues/Country/Pop player and have used almost all Diezel amps very successfully recording those kind of genres. All Diezel amps can be easily tweaked to sound fantastic with Jazz and Blues. The amps are in my opinion and from my experience very open, even on the high gain channels. I can generate killer blues tones on a VH4 or Hagen on ch3 and ch4 with the gain set low and the master volume cranked. The amps are not compressed with that setting and stay very dynamic. Ever played a Herbert on ch2 (minus) with gain to 1 o clock and master volume cranked? Amazing Blues tone and kills any of that vintage stuff by miles in my humble opinion (been there done that).
I could supply you with lots of studio recording samples of the different models in all kind of "non metal/hardrock" enironments where the Diezel amps totally shine.

I used to play the real vintage amps (1 channel) Marshalls, Fender, HiWatt, Vox AC30, etc etc "back in the days". I would never go back to those kind of amps because they are not nearly as versatile in translating my creativity as the Diezel amps are. That is the whole point of Peter Diezel's work. Remember, he was modding and fixing the old style vintage amps from the mid 70s until the early 90s, before he founded his own company and designing his own amps. Peter felt that he could do so much better than the amps that were in existence that time and he has proven everyone right !

The fact that Diezel Amps are in a way "type cast" as metal or hard rock amps is due to the fact that they were marketed to that genre in the beginning, with bands like Korn and Metallica amongst many others. The goal for Diezel is to dramatically broaden the marketing which will happen starting next year. I know that Jazz and Country players alike will love our amps, you just have to get their attention and have them plug in.

If you really want that "vintage" tone then you have to play the old amps. I can confidently say, though, that if you really connect to any of the Diezel Amps and "get" them, you will understand my words and not worry about the old amps anymore. You would playing even a Herbert, VH4 or Hagen for your genres (Jazz,Blues, Pop) with a hard on, because those amps have the tonality you need PLUS the balls to get people's attention.

Last point and very important: Your tone is 90% in the fingers, so if you are a Blues player and have skills and also work your guitar (playing dynamically, using volume and tone controls) you will sound good that way through any amp.

Just my personal opinion and experience. You are entitled to your opinion, of course ;)

Kind regards,

Jens

Beautiful! Brought a tear to my eye :D
 
I hear ya Jens, I too think Diezels are extremely versatile. My VH4's channel 1 and two are awesome.

Now, maybe it's just my ears but I do feel a little moderish quality in Diezel signature sound and as much as you turn up the master volume it is still there.

But again everyone has different ears.

cheers my friend.
 
Yes, the VH4 sounds modern, because it is intended to, as are the other Diezel Models.

You should be just as happy with ch3 and ch4, as those channels on low gain (ch3 below 11 o'clock, ch4 at 7-9 o'clock with the master volume turned up to saturation) generate astonishing warm blues and classic rock tones. If you have an older (pre 2008) VH4, they sound darker than the newer ones and not so transparent ( but great for certain rock/metal styles). I have "updated" quite a few of older VH4s (1996 - 2008 models) and after that great openness and transparency across the board.

In my opinion the Diezel Amps can bring your skills and creative expression to a much higher level than the somewhat limiting vintage amps. I really feel we (as the manufacturer) should think progressively and should be pioneers of NEW territory. We should not go the Vintage route and then compete with millions of real vintage amps that are still on the market and often at a much lower price than new Diezel Amps. Diezel is all about new innovation within the realm of antique tube technology, literally pushing the tubes to the limit.

There are LOTS of hobby amp builders out there who mostly build (you guessed) vintage amps, because those amps are the easiest to build. You can really get away with a handfull of resistors, capacitors, a couple of transformers, 1-2 preamp tubes and 1 power tube and build your own class A type vintage amp. I have seen such amps from the inside and it's great fun to check them out.
It's kind of like admiring and oldtimer car with very simple old engine technology. What we at Diezel want to create is the latest high tech Ferrari running on tubes ;)

Cheers,

Jens
 
Rezamatix":1aau5n60 said:
Diezel US Support":1aau5n60 said:
Naahh! We're not going backwards. We've got a new voice activated 9 channel amp coming out next year, blue tooth controllable from your iPhone 4S with a free 1 year PCP prescription thrown in !
:hys: :hys: :hys: :hys: where do I order?

Reza, order the amp from Papa, the PCP from Dr. Olaf (he is the leading chemist in Germany and will cook you some cocktail !)

Oh and the blue tooth from your dentist (they sell DIY implant kits) !


Cheers,

Jens
 
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