Eleven Rack, has anyone played one.....

[The_Kid]

Whats your review? What foot controller are you using if you do have one and use it?

 

[ejecta]

I did. It was just alright. Feel was ok but the tones didn't really impress me much. I think the cab sims in it are the weakest point. I think the AxeFX is much better overall.

 

[Crunch Master]

I did. It was just alright. Feel was ok but the tones didn't really impress me much. I think the cab sims in it are the weakest point. I think the AxeFX is much better overall.

How do you think it compares for the money though, since the ER is like half the price of the AFX?

 

[The_Kid]

that was my question.

Right now I'm running Boss GT_10 direct to the board and it works, but there are some drawbacks in this unit that the GT-8 didnt have.

I wanted an AFX originally, just can't justify spending that much money for the clubs around here. not to mention the foot controller, rack and such added to the price.


The ER seemed like a good cost medium.

Has anyone tried the Boss GT Pro thats rack mounted. Its supposed to be better than the floorboard stuff....

 

[Crunch Master]

Maybe you could just buy it from some place that allows returns if not satisfied and give it a go!

 

[ejecta]

I did. It was just alright. Feel was ok but the tones didn't really impress me much. I think the cab sims in it are the weakest point. I think the AxeFX is much better overall.

How do you think it compares for the money though, since the ER is like half the price of the AFX?

Well IMHO I guess that's kinda subjective as to what you think something is worth. If you were going to buy used Axe Standard you'd be spending roughly $300-$400 more than a new 11R. For that I think the the Axe is more than worth it. Like I said thats subjective and to me I'd wait until I had the cash for an Axe and not waste my money on a 11R but that's just me.

 

[MrDan666]

Has anyone tried the Boss GT Pro thats rack mounted. Its supposed to be better than the floorboard stuff....

Yes that is what i have heard too!

Rob Marcello recorded his solo album 'Marcello/Vestry' using the Boss GT-Pro rack direct and the tones he gets on the album are much better than i ever got from my Boss GT-8!

 

[The_Kid]

from what I gathered on the boss GT forum, the GT PRO has the same engine as the 8, just has some added input/output features, nothing added to the 'processing power' of the tones.

I guess my issue with a AFX standard, is, I hear a lot about the processing power being maxed out.

 

[neilrocks25]

from what I gathered on the boss GT forum, the GT PRO has the same engine as the 8, just has some added input/output features, nothing added to the 'processing power' of the tones.

I guess my issue with a AFX standard, is, I hear a lot about the processing power being maxed out.

Thats is your running 2 amps 4 cabs and multi tap delay, the standard can run a fair bit before it runs out of CPU, download the Axe-Fx interface on your pc (Axe editor) you can play around with it and see how the CPU holds

 

[mctallica1]

I played one over the weekend...

I think it flat out isn't very good.

Not even close to what an Axe can do....hell, I had an RP1000 too and would take it over the Eleven. Still prefer the Axe though.

 

[ejecta]

from what I gathered on the boss GT forum, the GT PRO has the same engine as the 8, just has some added input/output features, nothing added to the 'processing power' of the tones.

I guess my issue with a AFX standard, is, I hear a lot about the processing power being maxed out.

The Standard is missing a few things that I don't personally use like the the multi-band compressor, the looper, and few more things that most guitarists IMHO don't use a lot. As far as CPU usage if you aren't building super muli-effected, multi-amped rigs I dont think you need to worry. That doesnt mean you can't get some crazy effect sounds if thats what you want or do a dual amp set up, it'll do that too very easily as long as you arent going crazy. That said the Axe Standard can do way more than the ER and sounds much better.

I'm still new to the Axe but so far I like it a lot for what I wanted to use it for. I was pretty skeptical about it and I still don't think it's the end all be all, sell all your tube amps, but it's the best digital modeler I've used.

 

[The_Kid]

I was afraid thats where this conversation would lead me....lol...


just gotta save the dough now....lol

 

[muudrock]

I'll be the lone dissenter here. I like the 11 R. I had an AXEFX on loan for a couple weeks and compared it to the 11R.
The Axe has some great sounds, but they weren't particularly easy to get. It's a deep unit. The 11 is very plug and play friendly. The Axe's FX are more detailed but the 11R FX sound great and are easy to use. The 11R presets all pretty much suck so I created some from scratch-- It was easy and quick. I also felt the Axe felt like a modeller. The 11R to me feels like I'm plugged into my amps. It pushes back when it's supposed to and it gives when it's supposed to.
Direct sound is excellent on both units. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't need 1000's of speaker/mic combos. Yes, the 11R is limited in it's speaker cab and mic options but I think what they did include sounds excellent. Wish it had mic placement option. Recorded though, this box sounds excellent.
I like that it's a DAW interface. I LOVE the reamping--it's stupid easy. And I dig the sounds both direct and into a tube power amp. FWIW In talking to Sean Halley(the Digi guy that did the Youtube Vids) last Friday, there are going to be firmware updates- more amp, cab and mic models coming. It's brand new so we'll see how soon they offer updates.

 

[ejecta]

I'll be the lone dissenter here. I like the 11 R. I had an AXEFX on loan for a couple weeks and compared it to the 11R.
The Axe has some great sounds, but they weren't particularly easy to get. It's a deep unit. The 11 is very plug and play friendly. The Axe's FX are more detailed but the 11R FX sound great and are easy to use. The 11R presets all pretty much suck so I created some from scratch-- It was easy and quick. I also felt the Axe felt like a modeller. The 11R to me feels like I'm plugged into my amps. It pushes back when it's supposed to and it gives when it's supposed to.
Direct sound is excellent on both units. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't need 1000's of speaker/mic combos. Yes, the 11R is limited in it's speaker cab and mic options but I think what they did include sounds excellent. Wish it had mic placement option. Recorded though, this box sounds excellent.
I like that it's a DAW interface. I LOVE the reamping--it's stupid easy. And I dig the sounds both direct and into a tube power amp. FWIW In talking to Sean Halley(the Digi guy that did the Youtube Vids) last Friday, there are going to be firmware updates- more amp, cab and mic models coming. It's brand new so we'll see how soon they offer updates.

I wouldn't say you are a lone dissenter. This stuff is so subjective.... people should just try things if possible and use whatever works for you. As a side note one thing that kept me from trying the Axe for a long time was people saying it was really deep and you have to really dig in to get what you want. But I did some reading, not a ton like I thought I was going to have to, before it arrived and the first night made my own patch with the Red Wirez IR's I had used for direct recording and had some cool tones happening, so I was kind surprised on how quickly I got it. However I did like the ER better as far as the front of the unit being more user friendly.

 

[muudrock]

I'll be the lone dissenter here. I like the 11 R. I had an AXEFX on loan for a couple weeks and compared it to the 11R.
The Axe has some great sounds, but they weren't particularly easy to get. It's a deep unit. The 11 is very plug and play friendly. The Axe's FX are more detailed but the 11R FX sound great and are easy to use. The 11R presets all pretty much suck so I created some from scratch-- It was easy and quick. I also felt the Axe felt like a modeller. The 11R to me feels like I'm plugged into my amps. It pushes back when it's supposed to and it gives when it's supposed to.
Direct sound is excellent on both units. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't need 1000's of speaker/mic combos. Yes, the 11R is limited in it's speaker cab and mic options but I think what they did include sounds excellent. Wish it had mic placement option. Recorded though, this box sounds excellent.
I like that it's a DAW interface. I LOVE the reamping--it's stupid easy. And I dig the sounds both direct and into a tube power amp. FWIW In talking to Sean Halley(the Digi guy that did the Youtube Vids) last Friday, there are going to be firmware updates- more amp, cab and mic models coming. It's brand new so we'll see how soon they offer updates.

I wouldn't say you are a lone dissenter. This stuff is so subjective.... people should just try things if possible and use whatever works for you. As a side note one thing that kept me from trying the Axe for a long time was people saying it was really deep and you have to really dig in to get what you want. But I did some reading, not a ton like I thought I was going to have to, before it arrived and the first night made my own patch with the Red Wirez IR's I had used for direct recording and had some cool tones happening, so I was kind surprised on how quickly I got it. However I did like the ER better as far as the front of the unit being more user friendly.

You're right, it's all so subjective . I read the AXe manual too, and it helps alot, though the Axe FX goes way deeper into parameters compared to the 11R. I don't like to spend hours tweaking like I used to. I pretty much know what I want to hear and like to get it quickly. If I had the $$ I'd own both since there is no doubt the Axe is the high water mark for modelers these days. But when stuff like the 11R comes out and sounds very good, anyway you slice it, it's a great time for modelers. There getting better.

 

[Rogue]

but it's the best digital modeler I've used.

It's not a modeler.

 

[Rogue]

I guess my issue with a AFX standard, is, I hear a lot about the processing power being maxed out.

There is no amount of stuff you'll do in the 11R that can't be matched in the AxeFX before it runs out of room...just as a comparison of units.

I've had both. I give simplicity and amp feel to the 11R. I give flexibility and options to the AxeFX.

When it's all said and done, tone is what matters. The 11R sounded PODish to me. Better than a POD, perhaps. Nevertheless, the Line6 stuff has a hollow, sterile character to it that cannot be dialed out....and so does the 11R. Whatever causes that sound in these units is not present in the AxeFX, and if it is, it's hard to detect. That is what it came down to for me. IMO, that alone makes it worth the extra $600 (new vs new) for a standard.

Other issues to consider are cab/mic sims. I was not impressed with either the 11R or the AxeFX's stock cab sims (although, there were more options that I did not try in the AxeFX). I had tried the Redwirez IRs in my DAW, and they rock balls. You can load 10 of them into the AxeFX for use. So, to maximize your tonal experience, I recommend considering the purchase of some Redwirez (anywhere from $10-$55, depending on your needs).

Alternatively, the 11R would be quite adequate for the masses. If you're recording or playing for lots of people, 99.9% of them won't notice or care. It's all going to come down to how you feel about your tone. IMO, the AxeFX is in a different league than the 11R when it comes to tone.

 

[ejecta]

but it's the best digital modeler I've used.

It's not a modeler.

Whatever fanboy.

 

[Rogue]

Whatever fanboy.

The AxeFX can do no wrong. Ever. It has been, and always will be, infallible. Updates only increase its infallibleness, not that anything was fallible with previous versions.

 

[ejecta]

Whatever fanboy.

The AxeFX can do no wrong. Ever. It has been, and always will be, infallible. Updates only increase its infallibleness, not that anything was fallible with previous versions.

Yeah and version 9 will make it 9 times more infallible.